TekLinks

[knifey offline]

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All the people whining should get a life, period. ...

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*Hacks and coughs violently*

Oh dear. I'm sorry. I must have had a bad cough.

[DeadViolet offline]

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All the people whining should get a life, period. ...

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*Hacks and coughs violently*

Oh dear. I'm sorry. I must have had a bad cough.

^ *sarcasm*

[MY85 offline]

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All the people whining should get a life, period. ...

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*Hacks and coughs violently*

Oh dear. I'm sorry. I must have had a bad cough.

I gotta hand it to you, my bad choice of wording...

[RySenkari offline]

I don't care about Teklinks. I've never even heard about Teklinks until this whole mess started. What I have a problem with is the way Teklinks went down... one board member had a problem with somebody and saw to it to ruin everybody's fun. That, my friends, is the definition of "petty". On 4chan, there is a well-known adage: "/b/ is not your personal army", which basically means that if you're on the internet somewhere, and somebody gives you a hard time, don't go calling on /b/ to come spam the place with gay porn and shock pics. Hikaru basically used Moonscoop as her personal army to get Teklinks shut down. Absolutely reprehensible.

[Mewberries151]

Whoa, calm down Chad. You're speaking less and less as a neutral party and more as a TL basher. It is just a site (or should I say was) so no need to get so worked up over a few details concerning its shutdown.

Agreed, Chad Rains. I've advised you on that several times myself and they've gone ignored. Please listen to some reason, thanks, or just not discuss this any further, as you yourself suggested.

At any rate, regardless of the legality of the episode downloads there, the main point is being missed which Ry Senkari has pointed out.

Hikaru didn't have TL shut down because she wanted to help MoonScoop out or get rid of the episode downloads or anything like that. She didn't do it out of any legal morality whatsoever. I've even heard that she has episode downloads herself, so anything that says she did this to help MoonScoop is a hugely hypocritical statement, or at least, misinformed.

She only did this to get even with Wartonchan for not letting her do what she wanted on the forum, regardless of who it hurt, be it enemies or friends.

[Jeremie offline]

You cant cry on the past you just need to forget bout it even happen what is done is done you cant bring it back so move on with life so anyway is any one going to get the nintendo wii game of Cl?

[Lutochris offline]

Post deleted by Mewberries151: Please don't discuss making episode downloads or where they can be found on the open forum. You've been asked before. Also, please make a Newbie thread Lutochris. It is a little rude to just come to a forum and start asking for things before you even properly introduce yourself. Thank you.

[Lutochris offline]

Well, I wasn't asked before but, whatever. No big deal, I'll respect your wishes.

Wasn't really planning on sticking around, so I didn't bother making an intro thread (I actually predate about 99% of the people on this forum, or at least the forum from whence this was spawned - thought there's probably very few who remember that forum). But sorry again if that was rude.

Just a thought, and this isn't a request or anything, does anyone know what happened to the encoder named p7? He used to encode episodes and host them on an IRC channel. I can't seem to find him anywhere anymore though. Just curious if anyone knew what happened to him/her.

[Carth]

*looks through last few pages*

*groans*

Look, I'm neutral on the whole thing. Sure, ep downloads were illegal. Sure, they helped fans see the show. The facts are there, we may never know the truth about all this, unless there is an official statement. It is not the fault of the makers of CL, and it is certainly going to look bad if we get this riled.

And all that big long text on the last page has melted in my tiny brain into pudding. :/ I'm sorry for all of you willing to put up a fight, but I'm not joining any debates.

[matsumo itsu offline]

I never went there but I don't think it is to bad.It was closed for a reason

[Overcaffeinated Sloth offline]

That's the problem, techically, it was closed for a reason. but it wasn't for the right reason.

In all honesty, I don't think I could care much less about Teklinks after this. All I've seen is the bashing and repeated side in a strung jury. But now I'm having a problem with it all, because of what's happending. And you know, I think that I might agree with Rodri, for once. Stuff happens, get over it. It's not gonna stop.

And even though I understand that if Lyokofreak were shut down and the place I landed was Teklinks, I wouldn't want people to be whining to me about the million threads my friends and I would create... <.<

[MY85 offline]

And even though I understand that if Lyokofreak were shut down and the place I landed was Teklinks, I wouldn't want people to be whining to me about the million threads my friends and I would create... <.<

But if LF shut down and you went to another CL forum, chances are that you might (not saying you will) whine and complain out of anger. Anger isn't something easy to control, regardless of how some ex-TL people are coming across as annoying.

And for this forum's sake, somebody please change the header.

[G-Force offline]

Love it or hate it Teklinks was a part of the CL fan community, a big part so its only natural that people are going to be quiet angry as the forum really meant a lot to them.

Like him or hate him you can't deny the overall impact Warton has made to the fanbase. Think of this, if he was such a jerk, such an arrogant person and if people only cared about his site just for the episode downloads then why the overwhelming support for the guy?

People think that Teklinks was just a giant leach to the CL community but let's not forget the vital part they played in the creation of Lyoko Decoded. A good chunk of TB3's production team were Teklink regulars with Warton not only hosting the vid for direct download but he also co-directed the movie, an act that Rhys still feels gratitude for.

Might I remind you that this a documentary with the director, composer, artist and VAs for CL a video in which the teklinks address was not hidden and openly shared with Moonscope staff.

It's hard to say exactly when Moonscope would have sent their giant ban hammer upon teklinks but what Hikaru did definitely sped things up quiet a bit.

[Mewberries151]

Love it or hate it Teklinks was a part of the CL fan community, a big part so its only natural that people are going to be quiet angry as the forum really meant a lot to them.

Like him or hate him you can't deny the overall impact Warton has made to the fanbase. Think of this, if he was such a jerk, such an arrogant person and if people only cared about his site just for the episode downloads then why the overwhelming support for the guy?

People think that Teklinks was just a giant leach to the CL community but let's not forget the vital part they played in the creation of Lyoko Decoded. A good chunk of TB3's production team were Teklink regulars with Warton not only hosting the vid for direct download but he also co-directed the movie, an act that Rhys still feels gratitude for.

Might I remind you that this a documentary with the director, composer, artist and VAs for CL a video in which the teklinks address was not hidden and openly shared with Moonscope staff.

It's hard to say exactly when Moonscope would have sent their giant ban hammer upon teklinks but what Hikaru did definitely sped things up quiet a bit.

Wonderfully put, G-Force. I'd quite forgotten about that. Teklinks did a lot of behind the scenes support for many popular CL projects, and I think Lyoko Decoded's case proves, in some small sense, that MoonScoop really was okay with TL having downloads.

...Which makes me wonder, maybe their "investigation" was more a "show of good faith" to their financial and legal operatives...and not so much an actual act of "bringing the hammer down" on all those "episode pirates". ...There's no proof of this at all, but it does sometimes happen in the media world, particularly animation. ^^

And for this forum's sake, somebody please change the header.

For goodness sakes, it hasn't even been up a week. Give people some time to think about what's happened, and let us give our thanks and condolences to a forum that helped us out when we were in danger of losing our own forum.

If it bothers you that much, take it up with TB3. Stop complaining about it here where anyone who could do something about it, might not see it. That's Forum Etiquette 101. ^^;

[jaimehlers offline]

Hikaru should not be the one to blame for this either. While her intentions were immature, the end result should be commended. Through TL's actions, CL in general has been slowly dying, if mostly in an unnoticed manner. TL (was) a huge community and attracted a large chunk of the CL fanbase whether some want to believe that or not. And most of them used it largely to get access to the illegally garnered materials that TL has hosted. That's not gonna look so good to Moonscoop or involved parties when a chunk of their fanbase is not going to go out and legally purchase the merchandise from the show or watch the episodes on TV with adfare intact.

I'm sorry, but I don't agree with the idea that the end justifies the means. Cause it doesn't. How and why one does something is just as important as the end result of one's actions. Sure, if the net result ends up being good despite bad or immature intentions, then it's not bad. But that's not the same as it being good - if Teklinks was to be shut down, I would have preferred it be done by someone who wasn't acting out a personal grievance because they wanted to extort special priviledges out of the site administration. I find it hard to feel anything but contempt for someone who would act in that manner.

It also doesn't say much to crow about how bad the site was and how it was likely destroying Code Lyoko through its very existence, yadda yadda yadda. There's no way to know how much it helped or hurt Code Lyoko, but I sincerely doubt it was a tenth as bad as you say. In fact, I would not be at all surprised to find that it actually boosted Code Lyoko's publicity (which would have directly helped Moonscoop). The reason is because people who get free access to a product are generally more likely to buy said product, especially if the paid version is better - and it often means that people who would not have otherwise known about it will.

http://www.baen.com/library/

I'd suggest you read Eric Flint's short essay on the page that links to. This guy is a professional author - he has a vested interest in selling books, and yet he has at least twenty of his own books available for free online download; furthermore, there are over forty authors besides him who have also made some of their books available online through the Baen Free Library. Contrary to popular belief and the arguments you have been advancing, having these books available has actually increased the number that have been sold. He actually posted the royalty charts one of the books he made available, and lo and behold, the sales of this book actually increased considerably following it being made available for download.

Admittedly, the sales mechanics for books are somewhat different than they are for television and movies, but nonetheless, I believe the same basic principle holds true here. If having access to free copies of something made people less likely to buy it, then libraries and movie rental stores would be out of business. I really don't think Teklinks was hurting Moonscoop at all by having episodes available for download. In fact, I suspect that Code Lyoko would not be as popular as it is were the episodes only available through "sanctioned" channels (meaning, buying them or watching them on TV). Furthermore, commercials on television are not made to sell merchandise based on the show in question, they're made to help support the network that airs it and to sell completely unrelated merchandise. People who are interested in Code Lyoko merchandise will buy it regardless of whether episodes are available for download or not, I think, and having them available online almost certainly has increased the number of people who are interested in the show.

For the record, I wasn't really involved in Teklinks to any degree. The most I did there was watch episodes that I couldn't otherwise watch. The fact that it's no longer available will be annoying, not the least of which is because I don't receive the particular cable channel that airs Code Lyoko anymore due to monetary concerns, but I got by before when I couldn't watch the show, and I'll get by now.

One last thing. Although I'm not harboring any malice towards Hikaru for her actions, the fact still remains that those actions were motivated by selfishness, and in reality will do far more harm than good for the Code Lyoko community. I hope that sometime in the future, she comes to realize that and regrets her actions, but the die is cast at this point.

(You know what the irony is? After Code Lyoko ends, I don't think Moonscoop will care in the slightest if people can download episodes. In fact, were I them, I would make the episodes available for direct online access after the show ends and allow people to watch them for free. Maybe even work something out with allowing the episodes to be downloaded for a small fee. If it's low enough, people will be very likely to purchase the episodes, not to mention other merchandise. This is probably one of the best ways to create a loyal fanbase)

[Jeremie offline]

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(You know what the irony is? After Code Lyoko ends, I don't think Moonscoop will care in the slightest if people can download episodes. In fact, were I them, I would make the episodes available for direct online access after the show ends and allow people to watch them for free. Maybe even work something out with allowing the episodes to be downloaded for a small fee. If it's low enough, people will be very likely to purchase the episodes, not to mention other merchandise. This is probably one of the best ways to create a loyal fanbase)[/quote]

if Moonscoop will do that i buy the downlaod.

[jaimehlers offline]

if Moonscoop will do that i buy the downlaod.

Exactly. In fact, it probably would have made financial sense for them to start doing this as each new season aired - make the old season's episodes available for online watching and direct download. It increases the fanbase and creates a lot of customer loyalty.

[Tangent128 offline]

Cartoon Network would probably object though. Not that they seem to care about the show much.

[timekitten offline]

Cartoon Network would probably object though. Not that they seem to care about the show much.

All we get is 30 minutes each week, and even that's not a guarantee with all these specials interrupting the schedule. If they can't air the episodes consistently and correctly, as far as I'm concern, they don't have much of a leg to stand on. It's thanks to their poor airing of the show that fans are more likely to run off to the Internet for the episodes!

The download for a fee is an interesting idea, but it's really dependent on the fans being loyal enough to pay vs downloading for free elsewhere. And it's pretty obvious to the music industry that everyone will take the free route. lol Personally, I'd rather go for the DVD's than pay online, but it's personal preference.

[Jeremie offline]

i got some dvd of cl but if i had to ill buy them as a download.

[comex offline]

Hikaru didn't have TL shut down because she wanted to help MoonScoop out or get rid of the episode downloads or anything like that. She didn't do it out of any legal morality whatsoever. I've even heard that she has episode downloads herself, so anything that says she did this to help MoonScoop is a hugely hypocritical statement, or at least, misinformed.

>> chatroom: #comexk/$hikaruxana;f5710ce391e8523a
>> username: hikaruxana
>> friendlyname: HikaruXANA
>> message: And that's not an empty threat. I have my cell phone held up, right now.
>> message: Doesn't hurt me any, I already have all 95 episodes downloaded.

And for this forum's sake, somebody please change the header.

For goodness sakes, it hasn't even been up a week. Give people some time to think about what's happened, and let us give our thanks and condolences to a forum that helped us out when we were in danger of losing our own forum.

I'm still waiting for it to be changed from Teklinks to Tech Links :x

Haha. You really think that? I find it hard to believe that the stubborn and bullheaded admins behind TL would have willingly let the place go without some stern reason behind it. Fact of the matter is this: They received a cease and decist email directly from Moonscoop on the matter and have been running around like chickens with their heads chopped all last evening trying to save face (as indicated by the rapid removal of the episode downloads and media forums and a clear disclaimer being added at the bottom stating they are a not-for-profit site and all funds from the ads go towards server costs. ALL within the matter of mere minutes of the drama taking place.) and ONLY decided to shutdown due to a voice of reason TO prevent any further legal action which could have very well put Lyoko Computer (owner of the server itself) in very hot water legally. It certainly was not by 'choice'. It was by 'necessity' if not by 'force' if they had decided to ignore it.

We did not get one; rather, we shut down before they had the chance to contact us, since Hikaru was nice enough to brag about it and give us forewarning. I'll always wonder what would have happened.

[jaimehlers offline]

The download for a fee is an interesting idea, but it's really dependent on the fans being loyal enough to pay vs downloading for free elsewhere. And it's pretty obvious to the music industry that everyone will take the free route. lol Personally, I'd rather go for the DVD's than pay online, but it's personal preference.

Actually, I firmly believe that people will only go with the "free but illegal" route if it is significantly better than the legal ways something is offered, if it's offered at all. For example, people have legally downloaded billions of songs from iTunes; Apple claimed over 3 billion downloads as of July of this year. Why? It's convenient and safe - nobody has to worry about looking for the official iTunes website and you don't have to worry that you're getting nailed with spyware from bootleg downloads.

People don't mind paying for music. What they mind is paying $15 for a CD that they may only want one song from, not to mention traditional music CDs are overpriced since it costs less than 10% of the retail price to manufacture and distribute that music CD. Most music CDs only hold 15-20 songs, whereas a CD can hold around ten times that number if they're recorded in a different format, such as MP3. My own SD card for my Palm Pilot currently has 80-90 songs, taking up about 370 MB. I forget exactly how much space a CD has, but I'm sure anyone can store at least 150 songs on one. So why would anyone want to buy a music CD, especially if you could buy the songs individually and put them onto a "record once" CD and have many times as much music?

Anyway, point is that it makes financial sense for both the consumer and the producer to allow cheap online downloads, especially if they're relatively inexpensive. The less something costs, the more it will be in demand, and people will be willing to take chances on songs they may not have heard if they only have to pay 50 cents for it, as opposed to buying a music CD for $15.

[Hikaru offline]

Probably the last person anyone wants to hear this from.
But you all do realize that, before this happened....No one even cared about TL?
It's funny really, it wasn't all that active, there weren't that many daily posters, and all of everyone that is complaining now were normally there only for the episode downloads and nothing more.

So it's funny how in the face of losing it, so many people can group together and sit there typing lies that they care, and that 'they have nowhere to go now'. When they didn't even care when it was up, they all say how Warton was such a good guy. (Not flaming), yet at the time, most of them hated him.
It's just a reaction most are posting, I can guarantee half of them won't care month or so from now, they're just kinda...kissing up to TL staff.

That's my views anyways.

[RySenkari offline]

I don't give a crap about TL, and from what I hear, Warton WAS kind of a jerk. This isn't about TL, this is about you taking your personal vendetta out on several thousand people, Hikaru. And you still need to explain exactly why you did what you did, because I guarantee people aren't going to stop being mad at you about TL until you do. People will still be mad at you, of course, but if your explanation is good, you might get a bit of the heat off yourself. Honestly, Hikaru, you should've made sure you could explain your actions fully BEFORE you decided to take down TL and spread its thousands of posters to the four winds.

So it's time for you to explain yourself. I don't care if you have to "ask permission", you should've done that before so you could have your explanation ready right after TL went down. If George W. Bush nuked Iran and took a whole week to have a press conference explaining his actions, there would be riots in the streets.

[Hikaru offline]

I don't give a crap about TL, and from what I hear, Warton WAS kind of a jerk. This isn't about TL, this is about you taking your personal vendetta out on several thousand people, Hikaru. And you still need to explain exactly why you did what you did, because I guarantee people aren't going to stop being mad at you about TL until you do. People will still be mad at you, of course, but if your explanation is good, you might get a bit of the heat off yourself. Honestly, Hikaru, you should've made sure you could explain your actions fully BEFORE you decided to take down TL and spread its thousands of posters to the four winds.

So it's time for you to explain yourself. I don't care if you have to "ask permission", you should've done that before so you could have your explanation ready right after TL went down. If George W. Bush nuked Iran and took a whole week to have a press conference explaining his actions, there would be riots in the streets.

Hear ye go, it's finally up at why I did it.
All 17 minutes, turn up your volume.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mlkZPWK9_Yg