Sissy

[TB3]

Nice points Mew - I think the interesting thing about Sissi is that she's got a lot going for her. Sure she's spoilt, she's bratty, she's annoying, but come-on, Sissi's a lot more than that - she's got a surprising amount of courage, can be very generous and apparently does care about the people around her (Milly for example), even if she doesn't show it. Whats more these traits are becomming more and more evident, a sure sign of a developing persona within the show.

And unlike many 2D 'cheerleader characters' in teen shows, Sissi really is in love with Ulrich - being with him is not for status or glory, it's because she DOES feel for him. This is in fact the most interesting thing, as it throws a bit of weight behind the UxS pairing.

I think many will argue otherwise but I think UxS could well work out - the only 'obstacle' is Yumi and with her around we now Sissi's chances are dead in the water. The fact that she feels for Ulrich though, and that he seems to reciprocate a small amount, counts for a lot.

Perhaps Sissi herself is beginning to realise Ulrich's is Yumi's 'property' - if so it shows her maturing considerably which is backed up by other elements of her character in S2. Also note she is far less hung up on Ulrich, a first (aside from that one incident with Theo in S1) - we've seen her have conversations with the group without the subject of Ulrich coming up, bond with other male characters instead of remaining aloof (William), and looking for love online instead of waiting for Ulrich to come running to her.

I think this is part of the joy of Sissi - she's very well developed in the show and clearly has a lot of potential - and I wanna be around to see it. By extenstion this is the great thing about CL in general - the secondary and tertiary characters have lives of their own - William, Sissi, Milly, Tamiya, Jim, even people like Heidi. The only truly 2D characters in my opinion are Herve and Nicolas.

Well, thanks for hearing me rant!

[Taelia offline]

Yeah, TB3, she should become Odd's property.

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Ah Odd all ready has debs on Aelita believe it~!

[Mewberries151]

And unlike many 2D 'cheerleader characters' in teen shows, Sissi really is in love with Ulrich - being with him is not for status or glory, it's because she DOES feel for him. This is in fact the most interesting thing, as it throws a bit of weight behind the UxS pairing.

I think many will argue otherwise but I think UxS could well work out - the only 'obstacle' is Yumi and with her around we now Sissi's chances are dead in the water. The fact that she feels for Ulrich though, and that he seems to reciprocate a small amount, counts for a lot.

The one thing that keeps me from truly believing that Sissi is not after Ulrich just as a "trophy" though, are her words in "Marabounta"

She says to William, "I've known Ulrich since the first grade...I want to date him. That's all there is to it."

To me, that statement reveals alot about how Sissi views Ulrich. I do think she cares about him in some shape or form, but I don't think she's "in love" with him, and I also think she inwardly knows he's "not her type" or "not meant for her".

Her words "I want to date him", still seem to point to the idea that she's only after him because he's cute, popular, and because he's "unavailable". She doesn't say, "I like/love him" or even "I have a crush on him". She just says, "I want to date him". To me, that still sounds like she's more after the "popularity" that dating him would give her, as opposed to honestly having any deep affections for him.

Now, it could be construed that she was covering her "true feelings", but I can't imagine why she'd do so when William was also wearing his heart proverbially on his sleeve, and she had no problem with admitting openly to him about her frustration with Yumi. It could also be suggested that she just doesn't know how she feels and therefore said she wanted to "date him" as it was the first thing that came to her, but I can't really believe that either, at least not in the sense that she does love Ulrich the way he and Yumi love each other.

If she does love Ulrich in any sort of way, I'd more believe that it is a "sibling" kind of love (which I think is more what Ulrich would view her as, in the way he reciprocates concern for her). Sissi would make a fantastic older sister figure for Ulrich (since Aelita makes a good "little sis" figure already). She's supportive enough for that...plus, she knows how to bug him, just as any sibling would know how. X)

I just don't see her loving him in any other way though. Her words in "Marabounta" just seemed too..."materialistic" for that.

This is all just my own little musing on the probability of U/S though. ^^

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Just because Sissi and William were having a moment together doesn't mean that Sissi will reveal everything to him. William is the kind of guy who places all the cards on the table and wears all his emotions on his sleeve, he's incredibly upfront and the fact that he's revealed his feelings for Yumi before Ulrich almost instantly, shows it.

Sissi has put up a front for herself to show before the entire school. She's not going to reveal everything upfront like William did, nor is she even that quick to reveal herself, even in times of peril. Revealing something to contrary of what she's placed before the school would compromise that, not something I'd think she would do so lightly. Even in the various times she's faced danger or has been shown kindness, she has never admitted to the gang that she seeks their complete acceptance, which she told Jim about in Holiday in the Fog. To me, "I want to date him" in Marabounta is the closest Sissi will probably admit to someone other than Ulrich in calm times that she loves him without contradicting her present image.

I think her actions in Ultimatum does convey a strong sense of feeling for him as well as the closest she ever came to get her across her desire to be a part of the gang. For one, she trusted them. William in Attack of the Zombies didn't even trust the gang or gave them a shot to prove themselves. Sissi got them off the hook and allowed them prove themselves sincere. And with Ulrich, at the end, after Ulrich stated that the events won't be remembered except by him and the gang, when she laid that kiss on him, if she really felt he was a trophy to be won, the kiss would have been imo, a worthless gesture. The kiss would of been hallow since Ulrich still would not reciprocate it, nor would she remember it. What good is a trophy if you can't show it off?

Just my 2 cents.

[kyosuke offline]

Hey, face it, Ulrich thinks Sissi is nothing but a pile of dirt. He hates her.

I really doubt that but it makes little difference.

I am intrigued by the past history.
Ulrich and Sissi had some sort of relationship.
What was it?
Was it changed by Ulrich finding out about Lyoko?
Is there a reason Sissi fell for Ulrich?

All of these are great story material.

Sissi would make a fantastic older sister figure for Ulrich (since Aelita makes a good "little sis" figure already).

Sissi for all her growth does not have the attitude of a big sister.

This is going to be misconstrued but Yumi already has the big sister thing down for all the gang.

Maybe cousin for Sissi.

Also Sissi is very guarded she is not going to tell a stranger more then she has to about her feelings.


animenologist Agree on Sissi's image.

Also on the trophy thing.
Any rich boy or athlete would do as a trophy.
By pursuing Ulrich Sissi has if anything made herself less popular.

[Mewberries151]

Just because Sissi and William were having a moment together doesn't mean that Sissi will reveal everything to him. William is the kind of guy who places all the cards on the table and wears all his emotions on his sleeve, he's incredibly upfront and the fact that he's revealed his feelings for Yumi before Ulrich almost instantly, shows it.

Sissi has put up a front for herself to show before the entire school. She's not going to reveal everything upfront like William did, nor is she even that quick to reveal herself, even in times of peril. Revealing something to contrary of what she's placed before the school would compromise that, not something I'd think she would do so lightly. Even in the various times she's faced danger or has been shown kindness, she has never admitted to the gang that she seeks their complete acceptance, which she told Jim about in Holiday in the Fog. To me, "I want to date him" in Marabounta is the closest Sissi will probably admit to someone other than Ulrich in calm times that she loves him without contradicting her present image.

The weird thing about "Holiday in the Fog" is she never once mentioned Ulrich during her confession to Jim. She said she wanted to figure out the secret of "Jeremie and his Friends", and become a part of their group. Ulrich's name is never even brought up until they find him unconscious outside the closet door (in which case, Sissi brings up the "he came to rescue me" line). If anything can be inferred about Sissi's confession in "Holiday in the Fog", it's not that she wants/loves Ulrich...it's that she wants the friendship of the gang, to be a part of their group, not necessarily that she loves Ulrich.

Still, "I want to date him", even if one wants to say she was putting up a front, still sounds awkward. Why not, "I want to be friends with him", or even, "I'd like to get to know him better". None of those are any sort of deep confession, and they'd mask her true feelings just as effectively. "I want to date him" though, is what she says. And she had no problems with admitting to William that Yumi is a big annoying obstacle to her, and I'd call that wearing one's emotions on their sleeves.

Ultimately, I'd guess it would come down to debating if the "date him" line was some kind of Freudian slip on her part, or just the first thing that came to her mind in the heat of a conversation. The fact that she finished her sentence though with "That's all there is to it", and the sincerity behind her tone seems to point to the former though.

I think her actions in Ultimatum does convey a strong sense of feeling for him as well as the closest she ever came to get her across her desire to be a part of the gang. For one, she trusted them. William in Attack of the Zombies didn't even trust the gang or gave them a shot to prove themselves.

"Attack of the Zombies" may be more of an instance in which we realize the difference in which William and Sissi view the gang. Sissi has already expressed a desire to join the group ("Holiday in the Fog"), and trusting them is a far better way to show that you want to be a part of a group than trying to commandere them.

William, on the other hand, has never shown any interest in joining the group. In fact, of the group's members, William has only ever, by choice, interacted with Yumi, Ulrich, and Odd ("Final Mix"). Jeremie and Aelita, he's never made any effort to get to know better, which Sissi, in some shape or form has (even if it was negatively). Jeremie and Aelita were the ones he was arguing with primarily in "Attack of the Zombies".

"AotZ" might also be an example of William's own thick-headed-ness. He's too "take charge" to even listen to someone else, even in a situation that couldn't possibly make any sense to him. He's too sure that his way is the "right way". Sissi, on the other hand, has been known to let someone else take charge when it's needed, or when she feels she has no control over the situation what so ever. ("End of Take" being a really good example).

"Attack of the Zombies" makes an interesting commentary on how well Sissi and William can deal with someone else knowing more than they do in a situation and how well they can concede leadership, in addition to how well they could possibly get along with the gang. It really doesn't give any support to the idea that Sissi does actually love Ulrich, more that she does honestly want to join the group (which could also be inferred from her confession in "Holiday in the Fog").

Sissi got them off the hook and allowed them prove themselves sincere. And with Ulrich, at the end, after Ulrich stated that the events won't be remembered except by him and the gang, when she laid that kiss on him, if she really felt he was a trophy to be won, the kiss would have been imo, a worthless gesture. The kiss would of been hallow since Ulrich still would not reciprocate it, nor would she remember it. What good is a trophy if you can't show it off?

Just my 2 cents.

That's an interesting point about the RTTP, and the "trophy" idea makes sense to me. The only thing I could argue is that she was trying to plant some sort of "reverse psychology"...but that'd be getting really ridiculous. A good point, indeed. ^^

Sissi would make a fantastic older sister figure for Ulrich (since Aelita makes a good "little sis" figure already).

Sissi for all her growth does not have the attitude of a big sister.

This is going to be misconstrued but Yumi already has the big sister thing down for all the gang.

Maybe cousin for Sissi.

Also Sissi is very guarded she is not going to tell a stranger more then she has to about her feelings.

I disagree about Sissi not having the attitude for an older sister. Maybe not a "visually older" sister, but a same-age sister, to be sure. Cousin, works, but for Ulrich, I'm not so sure.

Yumi has a "big sister" relationship to Aelita, and possibly to Jeremie, but she also has a sort of almost "motherly" type of relationship going with the entire gang, considering the lengths she'll go to protect any of her friends, regardless of the danger it puts her in.

animenologist Agree on Sissi's image.

Also on the trophy thing.
Any rich boy or athlete would do as a trophy.
By pursuing Ulrich Sissi has if anything made herself less popular.

That's incorrect. Ulrich is an athlete. He's the star player of Kadic's football/soccer team, and he's obviously good in other sports (track, most likely as one). He's not a jock, but he is an athlete.

Also, if you go by the Code Lyoko novelizations that have been sold in France, the books mention in Ulrich's bio that his parents are wealthy. Considering also, the way his house looked in "Holiday in the Fog", the fact that his parents could afford a private tutor, and also send him to Kadic in the first place (since I doubt he's there on academic scholarship, though an athletic scholarship is possible).

So Ulrich is rich (at least his parents are) and he's definitely an athlete. Prime Sissi trophy, I'd say. He's also "good-looking". Dating the definitive "cute guy" of the class, also gives status in the school world.

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He may be rich, but he isn't spoiled, like Sissi.

[animenologist offline]

That's incorrect. Ulrich is an athlete. He's the star player of Kadic's football/soccer team, and he's obviously good in other sports (track, most likely as one). He's not a jock, but he is an athlete.

Also, if you go by the Code Lyoko novelizations that have been sold in France, the books mention in Ulrich's bio that his parents are wealthy. Considering also, the way his house looked in "Holiday in the Fog", the fact that his parents could afford a private tutor, and also send him to Kadic in the first place (since I doubt he's there on academic scholarship, though an athletic scholarship is possible).

So Ulrich is rich (at least his parents are) and he's definitely an athlete. Prime Sissi trophy, I'd say. He's also "good-looking". Dating the definitive "cute guy" of the class, also gives status in the school world.

It also calls into question Odd's status and pulls the idea that Sissi seeks Ulrich solely as a trophy further into doubt. I've never read the novelizations so my knowledge is limited to websites and what I can infer from the show itself. But Odd himself should be (atleast until recently) quite the catch himself as a trophy and we all know how much disdain Sissi shows towards him.

Odd should be an quite the athlete himself. Though he isn't on the school's soccer team, he has stated competing in skateboarding and rock-climbing competitions (and judging by his friends reactions, should be very good at it). The school nurse has stated him having the heart of an athlete after all, and the way he competes with Ulrich in their games, he should be in a similar league with Ulrich.

Odd is also an artist, so that should earn him a few charisma points. He plays guitar, both electric and accoustic, and probably some knowledge of techno as well. He directs movies and music videos, and has gotten some girls to play along with him. He did get what appears to be 2 girls from the 5th grade to be in his Break Break BreakDance video, and got Sissi to go along with his short film Natural Grandeur.

And up until recently, he was very popular with the ladies having "dated every girl in the 8th grade." Would think that dating and conquering a fickle boy would give Sissi status.

Just a few thoughts.

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That's why I think Sissi should go with Odd. He, deep down, loves Sissi to bunches.

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Mewberries151

I never said Ulrich was not trophy material.

What I said was if Sissi was after a trophy any rich boy or athlete would do.
For only a small effort compared to what she has put in pursuing Ulrich Sissi could be sitting at the popular table, be taken to concerts and have a date to dances.
After all if memory serves there are 11 players on a soccer team of which
the homecoming queen should be able to mostly take her pick.

Instead Sissi buys the tickets, goes to dances alone and sits with the unpopular kids.
While using favors with her father to help Ulrich.

Sissi may be obsessed, have a crush or be in love but trophy hunter just does fit.

[TB3]

That's why I think Sissi should go with Odd. He, deep down, loves Sissi to bunches.

Tal, can you actually back up what you say instead of just tossing out 'facts' like this. Yes this is what many of us would like to see, but please give some evidence when you write up your opinions as statements of fact.

On other notes, I hope you're doing well. PM me if I upset you unintentionally.

[Taelia offline]

Okay. I was gonna PM you right now. ^^

[Kim offline]

I don't personally like Sissy. She's misunderstood. She may or may not truely like Ulrich, but she needs to take a hint. I don't like her because she tries too hard. *backs away cautiously* Now no one's gonna kill me in my sleep, right? RIGHT?!?!?

[Mewberries151]

Mewberries151

I never said Ulrich was not trophy material.

What I said was if Sissi was after a trophy any rich boy or athlete would do.
For only a small effort compared to what she has put in pursuing Ulrich Sissi could be sitting at the popular table, be taken to concerts and have a date to dances.
After all if memory serves there are 11 players on a soccer team of which
the homecoming queen should be able to mostly take her pick.

Instead Sissi buys the tickets, goes to dances alone and sits with the unpopular kids.
While using favors with her father to help Ulrich.

Sissi may be obsessed, have a crush or be in love but trophy hunter just does fit.

Ah, then I mistook your quote of "By pursuing Ulrich, Sissi has, if anything, made herself less popular" to mean Ulrich must not be either one of those and would thereby damage her reputation as the object of her affections. My mistake. ^^;

The problem is that while there are at least 11 other soccer players...it does not necessarily make them rich as well. They might be there on either an academic or athletic scholarship. Plus Ulrich is the "star striker" of the team, which gives him more "status" then the other players. It's the same sort of logic in that dating the "Captain" of the team, is better than dating one of the other players.

Also, Ulrich is a triple threat. He's a talented athlete, he (might) be rich, and he's also rather handsome. ^^; Add into that the fact that Sissi was convinced in season 1 that he was playing "hard to get", and you have the definitively "irresistable guy".

Thus why I find his quote in "Routine" so funny. "I don't believe this does she (Emily) have a crush on me?".

Ulrich, you poor boy, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if every girl in that school had a crush on you. He could be the poster child for the "Cute Guys" issue of a Teen Zine. *sweatdrop*

This is just me musing on this though. ^^;

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Personally, I'd actually prefer if Odd finds companionship in a secondary character. The whole group doesn't have to date when their immediate relations, and I think Heidi is kinda cute, just needs to give her more time in the foreground to have us get to know her. But this is bordering off-topic so I'll stop right now.

Ah, then I mistook your quote of "By pursuing Ulrich, Sissi has, if anything, made herself less popular" to mean Ulrich must not be either one of those and would thereby damage her reputation as the object of her affections. My mistake. ^^;

The problem is that while there are at least 11 other soccer players...it does not necessarily make them rich as well. They might be there on either an academic or athletic scholarship. Plus Ulrich is the "star striker" of the team, which gives him more "status" then the other players. It's the same sort of logic in that dating the "Captain" of the team, is better than dating one of the other players.

Also, Ulrich is a triple threat. He's a talented athlete, he (might) be rich, and he's also rather handsome. ^^; Add into that the fact that Sissi was convinced in season 1 that he was playing "hard to get", and you have the definitively "irresistable guy".

Thus why I find his quote in "Routine" so funny. "I don't believe this does she (Emily) have a crush on me?".

Ulrich, you poor boy, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if every girl in that school had a crush on you. He could be the poster child for the "Cute Guys" issue of a Teen Zine. *sweatdrop*

This is just me musing on this though. ^^;

Still, would it be better to date someone with a lower status than Ulrich, or just give up everything else? If she can't get gold, would it be better for her status to give up silver and bronze as well? She's shown herself to go to dances alone, she courts nobody else, and the one she does pursue will not touch her and constantly makes her look foolish before her peers. If its all about status, again, she does more harm pursuing the gold and giving up everything else, than taking silver while she waits for the moment.

Again, Odd would have made a good catch himself as a trophy boyfriend if you ask me. He's an athlete in his own right as well as an artist. He's also the only truly extroverted person of the group making him probably the most charismatic of the group. He has to have been seen as attractive by the girls in the 8th grade if he is able to land every single girl in the 8th grade (except Aelita, of course, and probably Sissi, who until recently didn't consider a girl). And if cliched school romances mean anything to my jaded senses, he's a foreigner (as well as a good deal of other students) which should work in his favor. He's also potentially wealthy himself, if his folks can afford to send him to school half-way around the world (with his grades), though the last bit is kinda a hypothesis because other than a few blurbs here and there, we have no major inklings to what Odd's parents are like.

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Mewberries151

Animenologist has already said it better then I can.

The guy does not have to be the Gold he just has to be a Bronze.

Showing off the Bronze at a dance is a lot more popularity generating then
going without any trophy.

Is Anybody out there? shows it well.

No one is going to see Ulrich in the Boiler room.

Sissi would rather meet Ulrich secretly in the Boiler room them go to the Dance with Bronze. Even though it is the second one that can increase her popularity.