Who would be most affected if Franz Hopper died?

[oddsgrlfriend offline]

One like I said I personally don't agree with that saying I just had to mention it. Also I can't think of anything else to back up my therory! I'm torn between Aelita and Jeremie.

[Skorpigeist offline]

Did anybody else think the team turned on and blamed Jeremie too quickly? Of all the trust, loyalty, and friendship they have in each other, a stranger claiming to be Franz Hopper shows up and they buy his story without a second thought.

I don't think Jeremie would be too deeply affected by Hopper's death. He didn't know him and was not connected in any emotional way. What he needed to know, the journal entries told him. The only one who would really be affected would be Aelita, but how much would really depend on what her memories were. She did kind of hate him for a while.

I would agree that they did turn on Jeremie way to fast. They all I think knew the risks of traveling to lyoko long before now, but I can understand thier reactions given that they are all about 13. Yumi is a big deal to the gang, and hearing that she was suffering cell damage, and could possibly die was a big shock. It affected jeremie deeply, but even that was not enough to keep the gang from turning on them. I think that they realized the error of thier ways and everything is fine, but it still happened. of course they had no reason not to trust hopper. Especially after all of the information he was supposed to have. Xana is getting smarter.

I have no real answer to the question

[Mewberries151]

I honestly don't remember seeing any "murderous stares"...

Maybe I should of went with the phrase cold stares or sneers or perhaps dirty look. Sometimes I can't choose the right word.

But yeah, it does seem we agree on the point at hand. Really, probably the only reason I would see Jeremie more devastated by Hopper's death than Aelita is if he was the direct cause of it due to gross negligence, miscalculation, and irresponsible behaviour, mainly to compound the anguish of a lost life and the pain for Aelita with the guilt that it was completely his fault and he was the one who caused the pain and even then, it would be a close one. But assuming he wasn't the cause of death, or atleast the death not entirely his fault, definately Aelita.

It's not so much word choice...I just can't quite remember precisely what their expressions were (I need to dig out my tapes and see for myself). ^^; I remember them looking upset, but I may be interpreting it as something else. For sure though, I recall that the smile Yumi and Odd gave was not a "Well, I'm sure glad we're rid of him" smile. That would have been uncouth, in that case. I saw it as having to do with the mission, subconsciously Yumi's condition and that XANA might be able to be stopped, as opposed to having any relation to Jeremie.

But either way, I totally agree that if Jeremie inadvertently caused Franz Hopper's death, than his grief might outweigh Aelita's. Otherwise, indeed Aelita would be more so, especially in accordance with the points that you marked out in response to Oddsgrlfriend. Very well put, indeed.

[oddsgrlfriend offline]

I must agree. *Thinking of snappy response* Ok here's a question. The group slightly turned on Jeremie because they thought he had accicdentally gave Yumi an illness. Just say Jeremie did accicdentally kill Hopper (or played some factor in Hoppers death) how would the group (including Aelita - if Hoppers death affects her more) accept Jeremie?

[Lord Ryu offline]

That would ruin the JxA ship completely! STOP SCREWING WITH SPACE AND TIME!!!!!

If that happens-

Aelita: Jeremie, you suck!!!!

Jeremie: ...

[TaskForceLyoko offline]

I don't think the group, minus Jeremie and Aelita, ever really cared about Franz Hopper. Jeremie was the only one who trusted him for the longest time. Ulrich thought he was another enemy.

[Mewberries151]

I don't think the group, minus Jeremie and Aelita, ever really cared about Franz Hopper. Jeremie was the only one who trusted him for the longest time. Ulrich thought he was another enemy.

They might care a little more now, since they know he's Aelita's father, and that they probably will do all they can to save him as if it were Yumi's father, or Jeremie's father, or any of their own parents. He might be their best bet for defeating XANA now as well.

[TaskForceLyoko offline]

That may be so, but I think their feelings would be more sympathy for Aelita as opposed to mourning for Hopper.

[oddsgrlfriend offline]

Maybe but since Hopper helped them so many times they may mourn a little. They'd be glum no doubt about that.

[sesshomaru offline]

well technicaly Franz would be the most affected by it

[animenologist offline]

We're speaking emotionally and of the 5 main characters. Of course the person most affected by a death would be the person who died, physically speaking.

[oddsgrlfriend offline]

Good point.

[Mewberries151]

well technicaly Franz would be the most affected by it

LOL...that's a fantastic point! I love this...we're all typing essay length posts debating about who would be "most effected"...and the obvious literal answer is right there. Franz Hopper, indeed!

I propose a toast to obviousness!

[oddsgrlfriend offline]

well technicaly Franz would be the most affected by it

LOL...that's a fantastic point! I love this...we're all typing essay length posts debating about who would be "most effected"...and the obvious literal answer is right there. Franz Hopper, indeed!

I propose a toast to obviousness!

Haha. Ok then let us rephrase the question once more. Who besides Hopper would be most affected? (Need more Jeremie fans!)

[Chosen_one offline]

I say Aelita would be most affected if Franz died. I mean, after all he is Aelita's dad. So if he died, just imagine what would happen.

Yes, that was what I was going to say. Franz is Aelita's father. I don't think Franz receives more affection from Jeremie than from his own family.

[X_A_N_A offline]

Aelita was the most effected when Franz bit the big one because he was her father after all. on top of that in episode 52 Franz gives his life to restore Lyoko and Aelita's life. so of course it's Aelita who is most affected.

[oddsgrlfriend offline]

I didn't think he actually died?! Who said Yumi would be and may I ask why? I wasn't expecting it and I'm alittle confused about how.

[Rail Runner offline]

It would have to be Aelita hands down....for the simple fact that Franz is her father....look at it this way...he sacrificed saving himself because of Aelita...she knows this and its locked in her heart right now...if she were to lose her savior..the only father she has ever had...she wouldnt handle it the same way she did in The Key, because she knew that he was still alive because he reactivated Lyoko. If he dies for good, she knows she wont be able to bring him back, that is what would hurt her the most.

It may affect the team because of Aelita...when Aelita is sad, the whole team feels it..that is how strong their bond is between each other..Losing a parent is the most difficult thing anyone will ever have to face...besides losing your child..

[Pentomo offline]

I say Aelita would be most affected if Franz died. I mean, after all he is Aelita's dad. So if he died, just imagine what would happen.

I agree.

[Kim offline]

Toss up: Aelita and Jeremie. I think Aelita a little more though. I mean he's the only family she has and he saved her. And all above reasons.

[LadyLucy offline]

Aelita. I mean, it's her FATHER!!!!

[Crocodile offline]

I would say that Jeremie would be grately affected especially if it was something he thought he could prevent. Franz has such knowledge that Jeremie may feel more personally attached than what he really is.

Franz Hopper is Aelita's Dad I am well aware of that but unless all her memories come back to her in a sudden rush, think about all the years she was in lyoko for. She hardly, truly knew him.