Season 4 Discussion (Final Episodes now Online)

[Writing_Addict offline]

Is this a petition? If it is I am SO signing it...

Curse you action lovers somewhere in America!

[Naton offline]

I was hoping They'd perhaps shift their key demographic up a few years too, concidering how long it's been running, and how its fans have aged since then. The ability to make a cartoon with a strong theme of childhood romance appealing to a male above the age of 15 is to me, very impressive, and something to focus further efforts on, not try to sweep away to pull in the interests of excitable little kiddies.

[Lani offline]

Things of Interest from the "CL in General" section:

Lyoko is apparently the Japanese word for "Voyage".

"Travel" would probably be a better word for it. ^^; The way the French say Lyoko, and the word "ryokou" (旅行) are pretty much pronounced the exact same way, except Lyoko has much more of an L sound in the beginning.

Anyway... no romance?! I know I usually hate romance, but why not?? I think a good story needs to be balanced in humor, action, and romance, but if all we're left is humor and action, then it takes away some of it... and plus, start of S3 they're like, 14~16 now, and those horomones can't be ignored, yanno...

Also, if my japanese skills are correct, "L" and "R" are pronounced almost exactly the same. That's why you get similar names in japanese and english versions in anime sometimes (in Japanese, the One Piece character Zollo is pronounced Zorro.)

Also, I believe in japanese, Ryoko means "Dragon." and since "L" and "R" are pronounced the same...

Usually with R by itself, yes, the L and R sounds sound somewhat similar when you speak it (the word six, "roku" for instance can be heard as roku or loku), but not for RY combination. In this case it sounds kind of like a D, or a very very hard R.

Ryoko and ryokou are very different, though. French it's meant to be pronounced the latter. (it's the same matter for shojo and shoujo... one means girl and one means virgin, mind you )

[Sithking Zero offline]

Is this a petition? If it is I am SO signing it...

Curse you action lovers somewhere in America!

(looks around nervously)

Umm... heh heh heh...


Anyway, there can be a healthy medium between awesome violence scenes and tender romance scenes (I love 'em both, personally, though they need more of both.)

and besides, little kids have the attention span of a goldfish. My cousin is living proof of that.

Though, honestly, older kids such as myself and others on the forum can attribute that age has nothing to do with attention-

OOH! SOMETHING SHINEY!

[Astro-Xana offline]

Sorry, but I'm gonna have to disagree. Sure, Jeremie's young, but he's... well, he's a dork. He's pretty bad at fighting, even in the real world (the second and third seasons showed us that).

Also, it's possible he's pacifistic. I, for one, am like that, and I would much rather have someone else do the fighting for me and let me be a thinker.

But when I look at Jeremy and hear his voice when he speaks serious stuff--especially that cool glaring glasses effect which occurs when Jeremy looks up at the supercomputer with a serious expression on his face in which his glasses glare white (an example of this ocurring was in the episode "Big Bug" and a few other episodes) and also the time when Jeremy snapped his fingers with a cool serious expression on his face when he said "Return to the past now," I don't see dorkiness--I actually see a part of Jeremy that lusts for pure power. In addition, in the episode "Seeing is Believing," when Jeremy asked if an atomic process exists for fusing virtual particles and materializing them into the real world, the scientist responded with a face that was interested in Jeremy's high intellect of pure power (not dorkiness). I recognized the scientist's expression and the tone of Jeremy's voice when he asked that question and it did not feel like dorkiness--more like the power of a madman genius mastermind.

In other words, behind Jeremy's dorkiness, I see a lust for pure power. In between Jeremy's dorkiness, he does make cool gestures and such indicating his alternate self which is not dorky--but is a mad genius lusting for pure power. And sure, Jeremy may not be a good fighter in the real world, but as this lust for pure power completely takes over and changes Jeremy into a whole new person, when Jeremy gets virtualized, the supercomputer will then recognize Jeremy's subconscious desire of pure power which will then make Jeremy an EXTREMELY skilled fighter (an awesome cold-blooded cybernetic being) in the virtual world as all of his madman genius mastermind power is taking on the form of pure fighting skill in the virtual world and is completely energizing Jeremy as this awesome cold-blooded cybernetic being in the virtual world.

Now if Franz Hopper were to be the operator of the supercomputer and Jeremy being the one finally in the virtual world, that would mean possible romance between Jeremy and Aelita as they will be fighting together in the virtual world unlike before when Jeremy was fixated on the supercomputer resulting in hardly any romance between them. But if he were to be fighting alongside the gang in the virtual world, it will be highly likely that there will be romance between them which means they may even kiss in the virtual world.

Finally, I would like to add that I think it's a very cool combination for Jeremy in him having love for Aelita (romance) and yet also having an awesome cold-blooded fighting spirit against Xana and his monsters due to the awakened lust for power that lies deep inside Jeremy because those two powers combined make a true Lyoko warrior which is an awesome cold-blooded loving fighting spirit unlike him having a dorky and geekish loving fighting spirit against Xana and his monsters in which he overcomes this cool side of him that lusts for power with his average everyday dorky personality resulting in his true power not being awakened and him not being a fighting member of the gang in the virtual world!

[Rycr offline]

Wow, you used a lot of words to get a simple point across. Personally, I imagine Jeremie as being very awkward on Lyoko at first, but eventually getting used to it and becoming a pretty good fighter.

As for the Romance issue, just make the petition and I'll sign it! I'll talk to a few other people who don't come to this forum to get it signed by them as well. I don't know who the American distributor is (maybe FUNimation?), but I'd like to yell at them for a bit. I think the Code Lyoko demographic averages around 13, maybe even older! I mean, a lot of people who watch CL are teenagers, and would like to just see Ulrich and Yumi kiss and actually admit that they have crushes on each other. As if it wasn't already obvious...

But anyway, hopefully we can get the petition or letter or whatever to them before they finish the season. Otherwise, romance will be left in the realm of Code Lyoko fanfiction, which hasn't been doing so well since Season 3 was so uninspiring...

[Naton offline]

I think that's 'determination' you're seeing. Jeremy has no desire for 'power', he has a super computer in his possesion, yet he wants nothing more than to get rid of it. Though he has no personal craving for power, through his determination, he's completely willing to make bold moves to obtain it, if it means accomplishing a goal he's set him self to. Jeremy is all to do with dedication and self sacrifice, giving up his time, and even accademic success for the sake of Aelita and his friends. There's no longing for power that stretches beyond his need for it to help others. But I do agree he's far from timid, and if not for his lack of physical strength and skill, would not hesitate to resort to violence if something was counting on it.

As for him becoming a permanent addition to the Lyoko team, no, that would damage his character more than develop it.. Virtualising him self once or twice would make for great episodes because it would place him in an environment outside of his comfort zone, and demonstrate his ability to cope with such things if people were counting on him. It's ok to see the others go there every episode because we already know that they're strong and brave, and Jeremy doing the same would just make his actions meaningless and boring to see.

[Mewberries151]

Seconds on that "yelling at the distributors thing".

Wow! Alright then...I'll get that petition up and written, hopefully by tomorrow then. I think I'm going to keep the focus on just getting the romance (or at least some small part of it) back into the show, since that seems to be the biggest issue (and the easiest to add in if all the episodes haven't been finished in writing yet). Upping the rating seems a bit unlikely at this point, since most of the season is finished...but there may be hope we can get a kiss/confession/something before the series ends. ^^

Perhaps I should see if maybe TB3 with his connections could bring it to Jerome's attention when it's done...hmmm

[Cassius335 offline]

Personally, I imagine Jeremie as being very awkward on Lyoko at first, but eventually getting used to it and becoming a pretty good fighter.

Agreed.

As for him becoming a permanent addition to the Lyoko team, no, that would damage his character more than develop it.. Virtualising him self once or twice would make for great episodes because it would place him in an environment outside of his comfort zone, and demonstrate his ability to cope with such things if people were counting on him. It's ok to see the others go there every episode because we already know that they're strong and brave, and Jeremy doing the same would just make his actions meaningless and boring to see.

What? So Jeremy being strong and brave would ruin his character?

Perhaps I should see if maybe TB3 with his connections could bring it to Jerome's attention when it's done...hmmm

I doubt Jerome has any say in what the American distributors think.Then again, he night know the appropriate people to pass it on to.

Nice banner, BTW.

[Naton offline]

What? So Jeremy being strong and brave would ruin his character?

Not at all, sorry, I can be pretty rotten at getting an opinion accross
I don't think he shouldn't be brave, because he is, he's shown that plenty of times. What I'm saying is that his bravery only shows if he virtualises him self because he has to, not because he wants to. If he just jumps into a scanner and gets straight to fighting like the others it looses all significance, and there's an interesting part of his character gone. So yeah, I'm saying quite the opposite, that he should be strong and brave, and constantly going to Lyoko/other doesn't do that. I hope that makes a little more sence, if any..

[Writing_Addict offline]

Seconds on that "yelling at the distributors thing".

Wow! Alright then...I'll get that petition up and written, hopefully by tomorrow then. I think I'm going to keep the focus on just getting the romance (or at least some small part of it) back into the show, since that seems to be the biggest issue (and the easiest to add in if all the episodes haven't been finished in writing yet).

:3 (Nice signature) Well then... hop' too it den'! (I've always wanted to say that...)

[Astro-Xana offline]

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[Mewberries151]

Perhaps I should see if maybe TB3 with his connections could bring it to Jerome's attention when it's done...hmmm

I doubt Jerome has any say in what the American distributors think.Then again, he night know the appropriate people to pass it on to.

Nice banner, BTW.

^^ Thanks.

Indeed, he probably doesn't but he might be able to pass it on to the right people as you said...or be able to use his influence to sneak some of the romance back in. ^^ I'm not sure, but it's worth a try. ^_^

Seconds on that "yelling at the distributors thing".

Wow! Alright then...I'll get that petition up and written, hopefully by tomorrow then. I think I'm going to keep the focus on just getting the romance (or at least some small part of it) back into the show, since that seems to be the biggest issue (and the easiest to add in if all the episodes haven't been finished in writing yet).

:3 (Nice signature) Well then... hop' too it den'! (I've always wanted to say that...)

^.^ Aww, thank you.

I've got the petition all written up. Now before I post it at PetitionsOnline.com, I wanted to make sure you all were okay with the text. Here's a copy of it:

[b]To Whom It May Concern,

We, the American fans of the French cartoon, Code Lyoko, feel that it is both untrue and unfair that the romantic elements that we have come to know and love in this show have been removed, supposedly on our account according to “our preference of action over romanceâ€

[Writing_Addict offline]

I was looking in the news of CL.FR and I found this.

(I didn't translate it...I'm too lazy to even try. )

Subdigitals, simple group of music? Perhaps not... Attention, spoiler:

Chris, the bass player, are in fact the nephew of Jim, the professor of sport of the college. Ben, Chris and Nico, the three members of the group, will come to make pass a hearing to the college to find their first part. And will Aelita forms of course part of the casting... be selected? Response in season 4!

Jim's nephew?


Chris, le bassiste, est en fait le neveu de Jim, le professeur de sport du collège. Ben, Chris et Nico, les trois membres du groupe, viendront faire passer une audition au collège pour trouver leur première partie. Et Aelita fait bien sûr partie du casting… sera-elle choisi ? Réponse dans la saison 4!

[quote="Mewberries151"]
I've got the petition all written up. Now before I post it at PetitionsOnline.com, I wanted to make sure you all were okay with the text. Here's a copy of it:

[b]To Whom It May Concern,

We, the American fans of the French cartoon, Code Lyoko, feel that it is both untrue and unfair that the romantic elements that we have come to know and love in this show have been removed, supposedly on our account according to “our preference of action over romanceâ€

[Cassius335 offline]

What? So Jeremy being strong and brave would ruin his character?

Not at all, sorry, I can be pretty rotten at getting an opinion accross
I don't think he shouldn't be brave, because he is, he's shown that plenty of times. What I'm saying is that his bravery only shows if he virtualises him self because he has to, not because he wants to. If he just jumps into a scanner and gets straight to fighting like the others it looses all significance, and there's an interesting part of his character gone. So yeah, I'm saying quite the opposite, that he should be strong and brave, and constantly going to Lyoko/other doesn't do that. I hope that makes a little more sence, if any..

Ah, right. Yes, I see what you mean and I agree. Though I'd expect his hatred of going to Lyoko to lessen a bit if he ever was forced to go to the rescue. He might even enjoy it.

I was looking in the news of CL.FR and I found this.

(I didn't translate it...I'm too lazy to even try. )

Subdigitals, simple group of music? Perhaps not... Attention, spoiler:

Chris, the bass player, are in fact the nephew of Jim, the professor of sport of the college. Ben, Chris and Nico, the three members of the group, will come to make pass a hearing to the college to find their first part. And will Aelita forms of course part of the casting... be selected? Response in season 4!

Aelita with a posible music career? NICE!

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[Reesane offline]

....

Holy C***!

Aleita can fly!

[*Star* Gazer offline]

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*blinks*

Wow...(I'm squealing and giggling. Man I have no life...)



*shakes* If it wasn't against my religion to curse I'd be saying the S word right now.

I guess Aelita is an Angel...*snickers at my bad joke* Wow and there’s the XanliamxUlrich fight I've been looking for. AWESOME OUTFITS...


Odd actually has a body and Yumi actually looks better than she ever did in virtual form!

[Sithking Zero offline]

Did you see that?!?!? William and Yumi were in some sort of dogfight in starfighters!

(Feed to computer lost amongst drool.)

[Reesane offline]

Hey- I just thought of somthing.

What if XANA didn't delet the sectors, but moved them to the internet with him?!

[*Star* Gazer offline]

Hey- I just thought of somthing.

What if XANA didn't delet the sectors, but moved them to the internet with him?!

Actually I think that's basically what he did. I can't read French or understand the translations!

[Reesane offline]

Hey- I just thought of somthing.

What if XANA didn't delet the sectors, but moved them to the internet with him?!

Actually I think that's bassically what he did.

It make senens if you think about it-

On the internet, he would have (near) indefinit computing power, as long as his server (the super calculator) was running.

[Carth]

...WOW.

I am just GEEKING OUT right now. The XANAiam...the new vehicles (and what I think is the internet)...the flying Aelita...

WHEN IS MARCH COMING?!!?

[knifey offline]

Wow. That. is AWESOME.

I MUST SEE THAT!

I WILL GO INSANE IF I DON'T. (I won't really.)

I'm, personally, looking forward to the William vs. Ulrich sword fight. IT BETTER BE GOOD.

[jayde_child offline]

Wait wth is the giant vortext thing above the factory that everybody keeps talking about?? I never noticed anything.