LTT3 - Rewriting Physics since 2005!

[Tangent128 offline]

We're not all Rodri, ya know. Some people, even after a tragedy, ARE capable of moving on and getting on with our lives. I doubt the kids have forgotten, but it's not something we need beating into our heads week in, week out. Unless Moonscoop actually plan to kill someone, it's redundant info.

Who's Rodri?
Anyways, I'll concede that a death could have happened, though I don't personally feel one did.

[Astro-Xana offline]

In the final battle between Sesshomaru and Naraku, Naraku was trying all he could to slaughter Sesshomaru by swiping his claws at Sesshomaru and also firing energy blasts at him. But his efforts soon proved to be in vain as Sesshomaru dodged every single one of these attacks which made Naraku frustrated. And that’s when Sesshomaru uses the Wind Scar (which is extremely powerful because of all the training he has been undergoing) which demolishes Naraku into pieces. But unfortunately, Naraku regenerates through the power of the Sacred Jewel which remained embedded in one of his remains.

Once Naraku was fully regenerated, he then becomes even more frustrated at the fact that Sesshomaru was able to demolish Naraku into pieces with one strike from the Wind Scar while Inuyasha was unable to render a single scratch and then decides to create his most powerful energy blast and speaks to Sesshomaru saying that this is the end for him and Inuyasha’s friends and then fires the giant energy blast at Sesshomaru which is also within range of Inuyasha’s friends.

While the giant energy blast was hurtling down towards Sesshomaru, Sesshomaru then jumps up towards the giant energy blast with a dashing effect and then uses the Backlash Wave which defeats Naraku once and for all which automatically results in the extraction of the Sacred Jewel from his fallen debris due to the fact that Naraku was completely obliterated by the Backlash Wave and also makes his castle disappear due to the fact that the castle is an illusion.

After defeating Naraku, Sesshomaru then makes Tetsusaiga transform back and stabs it into the ground which results in the tip of Tetsusaiga being stuck in the ground. After which, Sesshomaru reaches out his hand and the Sacred Jewel (which now glows an evil red light due to the fact that it has been corrupted by Naraku) lands in Sesshomaru’s hand and Kagome and Kikyo (who is now fully revived by her soul collectors) notice the corrupted Sacred Jewel in Sesshomaru’s hand and Kikyo says that in order for her to purify the Sacred Jewel, that it will take a lot of her power and that her power alone might not be enough to purify the Sacred Jewel.

Hearing this, Sesshomaru grasps the corrupted Sacred Jewel in his hand which results in Naraku’s demonic aura (which is an evil red aura) being overcome by Sesshomaru which replaces Naraku’s demonic aura with Sesshomaru’s demonic aura (which is a light blue aura that is good). And when Sesshomaru opened his hand, Kikyo and Inuyasha’s friends notice the Sacred Jewel which now has Sesshomaru’s aura and become very surprised.

After overcoming Naraku’s demonic aura over the Sacred Jewel, Sesshomaru (who profoundly despises Naraku which is why he [instead of Kikyo or Kagome] has overcome Naraku’s demonic aura over the Sacred Jewel) says that he is indeed very powerful-more powerful than Inuyasha and his father combined and that Naraku’s demonic powers are nothing compared to his.

But because Sesshomaru has no interest in the Sacred Jewel, after Sesshomaru explained his power, he then tosses the Sacred Jewel aside and then goes up to Inuyasha and heals him with his Tenseiga. And after Inuyasha has been brought back to life, Sesshomaru then sheathes his Tenseiga, goes to Tetsusaiga, takes it out of the ground with a quick pull, gives it back to Inuyasha, and tells him that he has defeated Naraku with it.

Hearing this, Inuyasha (who now looks at Sesshomaru with a very surprised look) takes his Tetsusaiga, but then notices Kikyo and his friends who are running up to him with looks of joy due to the fact that he has been brought back to life. Noticing this, Inuyasha takes his attention off of Sesshomaru and runs up towards his friends. And when Inuyasha and his friends meet (including Kikyo) they then have a happy conversation with each other which was a conversation that included the fact that Sesshomaru revived Kohaku.

Hearing this, Inuyasha becomes shocked, but then becomes even more surprised at the fact that Sesshomaru was able to wield Tetsusaiga and defeat Naraku with it. So therefore, Inuyasha walks up to Sesshomaru and asks him how in the heck was he able to wield Tetsusaiga with much enthusiasm. Hearing Inuyasha’s question, Sesshomaru explains with much detail.

But after Sesshomaru explained to Inuyasha how he was able to wield Tetsusaiga, Sesshomaru then thinks that Inuyasha is no longer worthy of wielding Tetsusaiga not only because Sesshomaru has become Tetsusaiga’s New Fully-Trained Master and has discovered that Tetsusaiga is much more powerful in his hands than in Inuyasha’s due to all of his intense training, but also because Inuyasha got slaughtered so easily by Naraku while Naraku got slaughtered so easily by Sesshomaru in addition to the fact that Sesshomaru has now discovered Tenseiga’s weakness which is that extremely powerful demons are capable of returning to the living world.

So therefore, Sesshomaru slowly walks away from Inuyasha with his back turned towards him, but then immediately stops. And with his back still facing Inuyasha, Sesshomaru then tells Inuyasha with a calm, psychotic tone of voice to draw his sword. After which, Inuyasha says “Ok” with a curious tone of voice and draws Tetsusaiga.

But after Inuyasha drew his Tetsusaiga, Sesshomaru then looks over his shoulder at Inuyasha and slowly puts his hand on Toukijin. And that’s when Sesshomaru immediately dashes up to Inuyasha and yells “This sword is now useless in your hands!”

Realizing this, Inuyasha immediately suspects that Sesshomaru is going to attack and immediately holds Tetsusaiga in a horizontal position up towards his face to block. But sadly, immediately after Inuyasha started to block, Sesshomaru immediately shatters Inuyasha’s Dragon-Scaled Tetsusaiga in half with his Toukijin which results in Inuyasha being thrown back.

(NOTE: Sesshomaru’s training area is a mystical training area that has unnaturally increased Sesshomaru’s power. Because of that, Toukijin has gone beyond its limitations in power. So therefore, if Sesshomaru [who is now fully trained and has discovered Toukijin’s mind-reading powers] were to stand still and aim his Toukijin forward to fire a ball of energy, the energy blast from Toukijin would be so potent that Sesshomaru’s hair would be blown back by the power of the energy blast. And while the energy blast (which is very hot) is moving forward at the speed of light, it would destroy everything in sight. So therefore, Toukijin is the combination of the power of Goshinki’s fangs, the power of Goshinki’s sacred mind-reading powers, and the power of Sesshomaru’s demonic aura which has unnaturally increased which is indeed a dangerous combination that easily shattered Tetsusaiga in half).

After Sesshomaru shattered Inuyasha’s Tetsusaiga in half, he then explains to Inuyasha that he is no longer worthy of wielding Tetsusaiga and that Sesshomaru is going to have Tetsusaiga reforged from one of his own fangs. But after Sesshomaru explained this to Inuyasha, he then goes to the Sacred Jewel which has his aura around it, picks it up, and hands it to Inuyasha and says he has overcome Naraku’s demonic aura over the Sacred Jewel.

After Sesshomaru said that, he then suggests that Inuyasha becomes a full-fledged demon with it to become just like his older brother. But after Sesshomaru suggested that, he then explains that as long as Inuyasha holds this Sacred Jewel which has Sesshomaru's aura around it, the Sacred Jewel will neutralize Inuyasha's demon form (prevent Inuyasha from transforming due to his shattered Tetsusaiga) which will allow him to decide whether he wishes to become a full demon like his older brother or choose to be the demon he once was as a result of his shattered Tetsusaiga.

Now seeing that the Sacred Jewel has Sesshomaru’s aura around it, Inuyasha becomes shocked. But because Inuyasha no longer has a desire to become human or full demon with the Sacred Jewel because he believes that relying on Tetsusaiga is his true power, he says to Sesshomaru that he is not going to become a full demon and asks that Sesshomaru let him have Tetsusaiga with a pleading tone of voice (due to the fact that Inuyasha is horrified at the fact that Sesshomaru was able to shatter his Tetsusaiga in half). But hearing this, Sesshomaru becomes angry and looks at Inuyasha with red eyes and fangs and walks away with the shattered Tetsusaiga and disappears.

After Sesshomaru was gone, Inuyasha’s friends ask him if he is going to get Tetsusaiga back from Sesshomaru. But Inuyasha says that Sesshomaru should now have his Tetsusaiga not only because Sesshomaru is very scary and powerful, but also because Sesshomaru has chosen to revive what’s most precious to Sango-Kohaku! Hearing this, Inuyasha’s friends then ask him if he is going to use the Sacred Jewel to become a full demon.

But because even though Inuyasha has chosen to remain as a half demon because he believes that relying on Tetsusaiga is his true power, Kagome has actually asked Inuyasha on certain occassions to become human just like her and to live a normal life with her and to no longer live a life of demons in the Feudal Era.

Not only that, Sesshomaru has weakened Inuyasha with his astonishing acts (defeating Naraku and shattering Inuyasha's Tetsusaiga in half which has prevented Inuyasha from being annoyed and demanding).

In addition, over time, Inuyasha has become more and more bonded to Kagome and the fact that Kagome has asked Inuyasha to become human has been bearing down upon him even though he has chosen to remain as a half demon who wields Tetsusaiga.

Therefore, because of these things, Inuyasha told his friends that he is actually going to become human with the Sacred Jewel. Hearing this, Kagome becomes very surprised and Kikyo says to Inuyasha that if this is truly what he wants, he should do it.

But after Kikyo said that, she then looks at the Sacred Jewel in Inuyasha's hand with much interest due to the fact that the Sacred Jewel has Sesshomaru’s aura around it and says that because the Sacred Jewel has now long served its purpose, it wishes to be cast out of existence. Which then, Kikyo says that Sesshomaru’s aura around the Sacred Jewel is a good demonic aura, but is indeed a very powerful aura that will remain and that even if Inuyasha were to become human with the Sacred Jewel, the aura will not disappear and the Sacred Jewel will still remain in existence.

But after Kikyo said that, she then says that it would be virtually impossible to cast the Sacred Jewel out of existence as long as Sesshomaru’s aura remains around it. Which then, after Kikyo said that, she then disappears with her soul collectors with Inuyasha and his friends looking shocked for a while. And after Kikyo disappeared, there is a close up of the Sacred Jewel in Inuyasha's hands while Inuyasha is thinking with strong emotion that he will definitely use the Sacred Jewel to become human which concludes this exciting episode of Inuyasha!

[Cassius335 offline]

XANA probably changed the locks on the parts of the computer he had access to, robbing Franz of access to those sections.

[Tangent128 offline]

Plus, Franz is nowhere near as strong as XANA at the moment, at least from what we've seen. I'm under the impression that Franz wasn't even conscious until Jeremie's program found him at the end of "Final Round". Presumably, the program was designed to restart his mind before materializing him (materializing Franz in a coma would not be preferable), and managed that much before Lyoko fell, enabling Franz to escape.

Even if Franz was active during season 3, he wasn't strong enough to contact the group.

[Sithking Zero offline]

I'm thinking that the reason that Franzie doesn't try to help more often is because, well, honestly, it takes a lot out of him. When one person is under control of a super being from another dimension, then... well... doing things against the being's will would be dificult. I think that after S2, he needed to sleep.

[Astro-Xana offline]

Now I have another question which is what would happen if the Digital Sea were to vanish? Also, you already know that Aelita can also use her power of creativity in deleting things as well. Therefore, why is it that Aelita cannot use her power of creativity on Xana's monsters in making the monsters disappear (deleting the monsters)?

[SilverPrince offline]

Aelita's power only works on the scenery and nature of Lyoko, not the monsters. If she could simply delete the monsters, she could instantly kill them all and happily waltz to the tower and deactivating it, thus giving no purpose to the show.

I don't have an answer for what if the Digital Sea were to vanish, but I've always had this question about it:
If the Digital Sea is under all the sectors, then wouldn't it have to be over them all, as well? (You know, like the floor of the second story is the ceiling of the first) How far does the open sky of Lyoko go before you hit the bottom of the Digital Sea, and if so, how can a whole ocean just float there? Couldn't XANA just make it rain down upon the Warriors? (The opposite of what happened in Tidal Wave.)

[Chosen_one offline]

Aelita's power only works on the scenery and nature of Lyoko, not the monsters. If she could simply delete the monsters, she could instantly kill them all and happily waltz to the tower and deactivating it, thus giving no purpose to the show.

I don't have an answer for what if the Digital Sea were to vanish, but I've always had this question about it:
If the Digital Sea is under all the sectors, then wouldn't it have to be over them all, as well? (You know, like the floor of the second story is the ceiling of the first) How far does the open sky of Lyoko go before you hit the bottom of the Digital Sea, and if so, how can a whole ocean just float there? Couldn't XANA just make it rain down upon the Warriors? (The opposite of what happened in Tidal Wave.)

I think they are, and that the purpose of the sea is to make the sectors inaccessible to each other.

[Sithking Zero offline]

I think that the sectors of Lyoko are created by creating an insulated "Bubble," if you will- an area where the digital sea cannot touch.

Running between the "Base" or place of the digital sea closest to sector five and Sector five itself, there are four known tubes. These connect at the Core of Lyoko, and are shown via the core tunnels.

This does leave the problem as to where XANA and his monsters get in and out of Lyoko (in the new season), but I assume that it's some sort of tunnel from the edge of the digital sea that connects the supercomputer to the Replika Islands.

[Keiji offline]

This does leave the problem as to where XANA and his monsters get in and out of Lyoko

They're virtualized just like the kids are, according to season 1, and while I can't remember this being shown in later seasons, there's nothing to disprove it.

[SilverPrince offline]

A bubble, huh? Sounds interesting. (I can't believe I'm actually posting more than once in LTT.) But then why can't Jeremie just extend the bubble? Perhaps that is what he's doing with the Skidbladnir, making it have a bubble around it so the kids can survive in it, even in the Digital Sea.

Also, here's another question (Last one.) How far does Lyoko extend out? The Lyoko Warriors have explored in all they can, and now with the Skidbladnir they can explore outwards. And, because there is a limit to the space inside the Supercomputer that can process Lyoko, there must be an outer limit to it. What will they find, a solid barrier? Or just empty blackness?

[Overcaffeinated Sloth offline]

Now I have another question which is what would happen if the Digital Sea were to vanish? Also, you already know that Aelita can also use her power of creativity in deleting things as well. Therefore, why is it that Aelita cannot use her power of creativity on Xana's monsters in making the monsters disappear (deleting the monsters)?

Well, as for the digital sea question... The markers shown around lyoko ( Here ) Are used as coordianate markers for the supercomputer to caculate, like looking at only a certain area in the virtual world. That way, the computer isn't gunked up with a lot of empty pixels that go on forever. If you examine the given picture, the landforms of Lyoko aren't all that far from those coordinate lines. So you can assume that if something (Let's say, oh, Yumi) were to fall off the landforms, Yumi would have to pass those markers. And if she's on the other side of the markers, then the supercomputer would no longer be calculating or keeping track of her files. It would almost put her in the recycling bin. And after a while, the bin is regularly emptied. It's aslo possible that the artificial gravity formulas also work around the digital sea, and pulls little pixels of transparent (But still pocessed) space into the digital sea. These pixels are most likely tagged and stamped with what they are, their purpose, andthe filed away in a big pile, never to be needed again. Comparatively, it was like Yumi was buried in a big pile of sand, and explains Jeremie's need to track her down. when she actually DID fall into the Digital void.

This also explains how far lyoko explains out, and that beyond that is nothing, like a transparent pixel. Except there is no pixel. And if Jeremie were to extend the bubble (Even if only by a few feet,. or pixels on each side) the power needed to keep those calculations going woul be trememndous, and the supercomputer may not be able to process it. Thus, overloading the somputer, and slwing everything down.

As for Aelita's ability to delete monsters, well... Think of it this way. There's three parts to the supercalculator: The actual lyoko (All the sectors, all the space between markers, all the functions for moving platforms, everything.) The SuperComputer's side (Jeremie's access to Lyoko, including all the guardian's files and functions, and vehicles, which all link and go between Jeremie's files and Lyoko''s files.) And XANA's side, which is how XANA and Hopper access lyoko. (Also where monsters and vehicles are found, once again linking to and traveling between XANA's files and Lyoko's files.)
So now that that's established, the guardian's files and the monster's files are all linked to Lyoko, which is where the actual combat and computing of movements takes place. And now it's example time!
If, say, Yumi, and one Kankrelat were transferred from Jeremie's side (With the addition of an independant human conscious (AKA Virtualization) and one Kankrelat file with a computer code from XANA's side were transferred to the Lyoko Folder, they would appear on Lyoko. Now, if Yumi runs toward the kankrelat, all the processing and figures that allow Yumi to move correctly (And not stretch out her arm like a rubber band) works with Yumi's conscious and knowlege of her own mechanics (How to run, walk, throw a fan.... ect. from earth) to run fowards, and illustrate that In Lyoko, and is outputted as visual data. The Kankrelat reacts, and lets say he fires a lazer. The computer calculates the lazer, and checks to see if Yumi is in it's path. Yumi's conscious uses the visual data given to dodge the lazer, and avoid deletion. She plans an attack, and throws a fan. The computer and Yumi's mind work together again from experience to aim the fan, give it the right spin and power, and hit the kankrelat. The Kankrelat is destroyed, and the Kankrelat data is sent back to XANA's side.

Now, Aelita, on the other hand, is a bit different. Aelita has the ability to change files belonging to Lyoko Files, but not XANA files. So if we take our previous sim, but change out Yumi with Aelita, Aelita has a few more options. Aelita can in a way "Hack" The lyoko files, and create new material for the computer to process. She can create a rock, above the Kankrelat to smash it, or she can Erase the land underneath it, to let the Kankrelat fall past the Digital Sea Markers, thus sending the kankrelat to Lyoko's "Recycling bin" . Aelita, however, does not have the permission to change XANA's files, however, so she can not directly delete the monster, nor create her own.


*Looks up* Wow, that actually explains a lot! I should make a movie to explain it!

And I'll give anyone a cookie for actually reading that...

And I just realized my habit of capitalizing random words... I thought I got over that three years ago!

[Astro-Xana offline]

That was a very well detailed explanation! But anyway, as for that star on Aeltia's wrist, how is it able to activate her wings? I mean, in the episode "Double Take," Aelita's wings appearead automatically and she didn't even need to use the star.

[SilverPrince offline]

I read all of that, AB! It's a miracle, I usually can never read it.

As for the activation question, here is my answer:
The star on Aelita's wrist acts like, say, a key on a keyboard. When I pressed the "w" button to begin this sentence, it sent data through the wire into the computer, which processed it designated it as an English letter "w", and that data was sent to the monitor to show up as a "w".

When Aelita waves her hand over the star, a motion sensor detects the motion of Aelita's hand (able to regonize her hand as only her hand like a tower can) and sends a signal (possibly like Bluetooth) to the small wing-generators on her shoulders, triggering them to create coherent energy in the form of wings, able to push back on the air, creating thrust and propulsing her through the air.

However, those wing-generators are also attached to and therefore a part of her body, and in times of incredible distress, her subconscious activates the wings automatically, but this particular skill is only in times when her adrenaline or other hormones show a response of high stress or fear.

Also, once she has activated the wings, the star cannot deactivate them, like pressing the "w" key twice will not take away the w. Instead, once they have been activated, the control of the wings is given to her conscious mind, so that she can properly move and fly with them, her mind now treating the wings as limbs. Once she is done with them, she deactivates them and the conscious control is severed. Also, the wing-generators must have some kind of power source, so if they run out of power they deactivate automatically and have a set recharge time so that they cannot be reactivated instantly.

And that was my explanation of how the wings work. I know that's not what you asked for, but consider it a bonus. I did answer the question... plus some more.

[jaimehlers offline]

Wow, this is a really interesting thread. I always enjoy reading theories about a sci-fi show's physics and whatnot, and to read intelligent ones that are well-thought out are pure pleasure to read.

Anyway, a couple of thoughts of my own based on reading this thread. First, return-to-the-past (I'll refer to it as RTTP from now on as others do). I don't think the supercalculator actually destroys the timeline when it executes one of these jumps - otherwise, how could the Lyoko crew remember anything from said timeline? I think it just ends it, as in the timeline simply stops there. After it's stopped, the supercalculator rewinds to a specific point in the past and restarts things there. So, in other words, that timeline still exists and could theoretically still happen...except that anyone who has been scanned into the system and thus remembers the events that should-have-happened changes things and causes the timeline to branch off from that point.

As for the reason why the Xana-possessed objects stopped dead while people don't, I think it's because the actual mechanism for RTTP affects the various programs running on the supercalculator first. Because Xana was initially lodged squarely in the middle of the supercalculator, it affected him (and by definition anything he was controlling) first, and it affected other things a short while later as it progressed outwards from the supercalculator. It doesn't entirely explain why people in Lyoko can still act, though, but I think that's largely because even though they're located on the supercalculator at that point in time, they're autonomous of it and thus aren't brought to a halt instantaneously the same way Xana is.

I'm not entirely sure why a dead person can't come back, nor why the Lyoko crew knows this. It would seem that if someone had actually died before a RTTP, that Aelita at least would pretty much demand that the supercalculator be shut down rather than risk any more deaths due to Xana's machinations. I think it's possible that there were program comments in the actual RTTP program code, the same way as how real programmers will document their code so that other programmers can understand it more easily, and that Franz Hopper (or whoever wrote the RTTP software) put in something that stated that a RTTP would not bring a dead person back to life.

As far as the reason a dead person can't come back, one would think that if it were merely moving time back, that they would be there safe and sound. But my theory is that since time is a perception of awareness, if a person dies (or goes into a coma, presumably), their mind is no longer around to be aware of the RTTP and thus their body will stay dead instead of coming back to life. It's tough to figure this out, though, since it delves so deeply into concepts of metaphysics.

One thing I will agree with, though, is that RTTPs are really screwy. For that matter, anything involving temporal mechanics is going to be really hard to figure out for our poor 3D minds.

On another note, referring to the whole "what would happen if the digital sea vanished" bit, I don't think it would be possible to remove the digital sea and leave Lyoko intact. That would be like running Windows while shutting down all the background programs down - you might be able to do it, but the system would be severely compromised and would barely operate. I think the digital sea (at least around the sectors in Lyoko) is actually the data streams and whatnot that runs on the supercalculator at any given moment, meaning that it's essential to the actual operation of Lyoko as it exists. Remember, even though the digital sea is useless (and downright dangerous) to the Lyoko crew, it wouldn't be there if it didn't have some use, and I think that use is to help maintain Lyoko as it currently exists.

I think the reason it's dangerous for an avatar to fall into the digital sea is because all that data flow will degrade the program that falls into it. Kind of like what happens when a program gets corrupted, except much faster than the typical computer program. The reason the monsters immediately vanish is because their programs are extremely simple. Like a mob in an MMO, they're basically a visual object that can execute certain functions, and thus if their program starts getting degraded, they go "kablooie" in very short order. But I imagine the program used to maintain a typical person would be way more complex, and thus would take longer to degrade amid the data flows of the digital sea.

Of course, the "recycle bin" idea is good too, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if that were the case.

Anyway, I hope you guys don't mind reading my own contribution to this. Sorry about the length...sometimes when I start thinking about things, I go off on tangents and thus can get a bit carried away.

[TB3]

Nice to see new faces posting here at LTT Gives me some stuff to read through too

I just wanted to add that the latest episode confirms something we developed a while ago.

Jeremie refers to William's 'Digital DNA', when is very similar to 'VDNA' as developed here in LTT - previous the show only ever referred to DNA in the biological sense, even when discussing the computer - this is a new development which confirms a theory we've held for some time.

Also, the episode confirmed another theory that biological data can be stored in a tower and used to generate a clone from that tower - which possibly confirms our theories on where Franz was held prisoner by XANA - Tower 0 in Carthage, which was also used to generate a polymorphic duplicate.

[Cassius335 offline]

Also, the episode confirmed another theory that biological data can be stored in a tower and used to generate a clone from that tower - which possibly confirms our theories on where Franz was held prisoner by XANA - Tower 0 in Carthage, which was also used to generate a polymorphic duplicate.

Make you wonder if XANA has anyone else's Bio-Data squirilled away.

[TB3]

Also, the episode confirmed another theory that biological data can be stored in a tower and used to generate a clone from that tower - which possibly confirms our theories on where Franz was held prisoner by XANA - Tower 0 in Carthage, which was also used to generate a polymorphic duplicate.

Make you wonder if XANA has anyone else's Bio-Data squirilled away.

Well presumably anyone who's ever been scanned probably has a back-up of their data stored - so we know for certain that includes Franz and the six kids.

I would guess that the run-of-the-mill spectre-clones XANA uses are just facsimiles of the subject based on appearance. The more advanced ones (Franz, William, Ego-Jeremie) are based off the subject's biological, molecular and genetic data and are thus indistinguishable in physical terms. Personality-wise, it's a whole other story...

(reads Lyoko422's posts on the wings)

Very nice - I would hazard that the wings are based off the same root programming as the vehicals, but have slightly different characteristics because their program is piggy-backing on Aelita's own data. Possibly the wings are a combination of the vehical motion program, executed through Aelita's Lyoko-Manipulation subroutines, because clearly the wings don't work on Aerodynamics (they are too small to support someone of her size, let alone the time she also carried Yumi).

In short, Aelita's new 'flight power' may function like warp-drive in Star-Trek - they use Aelita's abilities to warp the immediate locality and move her around, and the actual pink, feathery wings are just for show - done by Jeremie for simple aesthetics - how's that?

It may also explain why the wings take time to regenerate if shot down - it's like a shock to her system.

[Mewberries151]

Also, the episode confirmed another theory that biological data can be stored in a tower and used to generate a clone from that tower - which possibly confirms our theories on where Franz was held prisoner by XANA - Tower 0 in Carthage, which was also used to generate a polymorphic duplicate.

Make you wonder if XANA has anyone else's Bio-Data squirilled away.

Well presumably anyone who's ever been scanned probably has a back-up of their data stored - so we know for certain that includes Franz and the six kids.

I would guess that the run-of-the-mill spectre-clones XANA uses are just facsimiles of the subject based on appearance. The more advanced ones (Franz, William, Ego-Jeremie) are based off the subject's biological, molecular and genetic data and are thus indistinguishable in physical terms. Personality-wise, it's a whole other story...

Right...we know for a fact that he at least has Yumi's Bio-Data stored somewhere...since he cloned and materialized her first in "Image Problem"...and ironically with similar personality disorders.

[TB3]

Right...we know for a fact that he at least has Yumi's Bio-Data stored somewhere...since he cloned and materialized her first in "Image Problem"...and ironically with similar personality disorders.

(Applauds) - I'd forgotten that! - thanks for reminding me!

Btw - I modified my above post to include some thoughts on Lyoko422's post about Aelita wings if anyone's interested.

[jaimehlers offline]

I would assume that Xana can access the scanned data stored on the supercalculator (the images stored there that make the kids immune to the memory wipe that accompanies a RTTP) to make specialized clones, since he did so with both Yumi and Jeremie. I suspect that the personality differences are because their personality data isn't stored there, but rather stays with the person; Xana would most likely want to make those clones as close as possible to the originals to fool the kids and everyone else, but since their personality data doesn't seem to be recorded by the scanners...

[Overcaffeinated Sloth offline]

Well, potentially.

It's possible that sometime when XANA's monsters were fighting the Guardians, he hacked their data and copied it, then sent his own clone. Because if he had access to the special holding cell where their immunity record is kept, he could have acces to a lot more.

[Cassius335 offline]

Hmm. Wait: Wasn't Yumi trapped in a Guardian once? Maybe XANA got a REAL good look at her code then.

[TB3]

Hmm. Wait: Wasn't Yumi trapped in a Guardian once? Maybe XANA got a REAL good look at her code then.

True - it's also worth keeping in mind that the supercomputer probably stores the most recent scan of a subject as a back-up (hence Jeremie's magical-self-healing ankle in S1's finale) - also, Jeremie's comment that a specific tower houses William's Digital DNA may mean that this is routine and that the same applies to the other users. For example, the tower housing Yumi's data may be the one used by XANA in 'Image Problem', and the same for Jeremie in 'Double Act'.

[Mewberries151]

Hmm. Wait: Wasn't Yumi trapped in a Guardian once? Maybe XANA got a REAL good look at her code then.

Yep. That was "Image Problem"...but he'd already sent the clone out by then (although on second thought the exact timing of Yumi's capture to the clone's "devirtualization/materialization" is not really known and could be very close).