Jeremie x Aelita

[Aurabolt offline]

Oh here we go. Jeremie's no less of a man for not kissing Aelita; he's shy, she's not as shy, but her innocence and sweetness makes up for that. Not to mention that he's trying to build up that courage to do exactly you're saying, Sakura-CHAN. There are different kinds of men in this world, and Jeremie doesn't have to be as foward as Odd or William is. Aelita probably knows he cares; she's just waiting for him to say while he builds up to courage through protecting all of them through being the operator, especially her, and by breaking down the social shells he created even before Season 1. Even before Xana Awakens.

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I support JxA and YxU.

[LadyLucy offline]

Odd and Aelita would not last long as a couple. Odd doesn't understand her as Jeremie does, and Aelita doesn't understand him as she does Jeremie. They're good friends, but that's it. Sometimes partners in crime, but that's the only time their partners. (lol)Though.... Jeremie should kiss her. At least on the cheek. I mean, come on, he has the corage to stand up to an evil monster, but not to kiss his one true love on the cheek? Come on Jere... do all us j/a fans a favor and at LEAST ask her out or give her a kiss.

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Odd and Aelita would not last long as a couple. Odd doesn't understand her as Jeremie does, and Aelita doesn't understand him as she does Jeremie. They're good friends, but that's it. Sometimes partners in crime, but that's the only time their partners. (lol)Though.... Jeremie should kiss her. At least on the cheek. I mean, come on, he has the corage to stand up to an evil monster, but not to kiss his one true love on the cheek? Come on Jere... do all us j/a fans a favor and at LEAST ask her out or give her a kiss.

I know that this is me beating a dead horse, but we aren't given evidence that he doesn't kiss her, given the indiscreet time line of the show. I too would be glad to see them kiss more in public as it were, but that does not seem like something Jeremie would do.

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I know what you mean Skorpgeist, but we can't use evidence we don't have. Your theory is sound (the gang must get up to a lot we don't see), but if Jeremie is snogging Aelita's face off, we haven't been given any idication of it...

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You know...I was thinking. My friend said there might be a war between the JxA fans and the OxA fans.

I'm starting to believe her the way my user name draws flamers....

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I know what you mean Skorpgeist, but we can't use evidence we don't have. Your theory is sound (the gang must get up to a lot we don't see), but if Jeremie is snogging Aelita's face off, we haven't been given any idication of it...

Yeah I know, and that is the point . Usually in cases like these, we go ahead and assume that the characters are doing what we see them doing behind the scenes. it really is a matter of where you stand on the issue. As for the flames to your name JXA Addiction... I think that is the most pointless thing a person could do

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JxA would break up over a Aelita having a One Night Stand with Odd.

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JxA would break up over a Aelita having a One Night Stand with Odd.

That is actually a killer in most relationships.... but it is a possibility, maybe, I mean lets face it. Ideas of true love and all set completely aside, they are all just teenagers ( well Aelita is actually in her 20's but that is a moot point because she never aged beyond when she first stepped into the scanners)

Of course maybe Jeremie would forgive her........ who knows sometimes some people are more willing to give someone a second chance


P.S: I am not convinced that I made a point throughout this whole post and senselessly babbled

[Aurabolt offline]

Yeah, but more to the point that Aelita wouldn't do that to Jeremie. She'd tell Jeremie, point-blank, if she liked someone other than him. That's in her character, and more than likely Jeremie would have no issues with it, since she could move on with her life.

But there is no context to OxA. They are more like brother and sister than they are boyfriend and girlfriend. I've said this before. Considering the time frame issue as well, I'm pretty sure that if Jeremie's not kissing Aelita because he's shy, then Aelita is kissing him. Probably on the cheek or small, soft kisses to the lips in order to build up his confidence to do so himself. Based on their current relationship as characters, they'd be very slow, caring, and sweet in everything.

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Yeah, but more to the point that Aelita wouldn't do that to Jeremie. She'd tell Jeremie, point-blank, if she liked someone other than him. That's in her character, and more than likely Jeremie would have no issues with it, since she could move on with her life.

But there is no context to OxA. They are more like brother and sister than they are boyfriend and girlfriend. I've said this before. Considering the time frame issue as well, I'm pretty sure that if Jeremie's not kissing Aelita because he's shy, then Aelita is kissing him. Probably on the cheek or small, soft kisses to the lips in order to build up his confidence to do so himself. Based on their current relationship as characters, they'd be very slow, caring, and sweet in everything.

Ah, very well thought out. You have thought a lot about this as well. I don't really think that OxA works within the context of the show either....but also, who knows what certain people will do given a strange situation. I do agree that Aelita and Jeremie take things slow, and that Aelita is the more confident one.... however, there comes a point where Jeremie has to "man up" as it were and realize that it is okay to kiss her.

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They'd be very slow, caring, and sweet in everything.

As everybody is...Though Yumi and Ulrich's relation ship is....flying left and right here.

[Cassius335 offline]

You mean crashing...

[Skorpigeist offline]

You mean crashing...

I was thinking pretty much non existent at this point.........

[Writing_Addict offline]

Almost non-existing...

Okay...done with off topic.

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Getting back on topic, I would like to mention the episode Aelita

In that episode Aelita runs off to the Hermatige at one point, after Aelita has flashbacks about her past. Jeremie stupidly tells her to look to her future. And, he doesn't go find her after she leaves, but Odd does. At that place she tells Odd about how much she really likes Jeremie, but it is almost in a frustrating tone, because of Jeremie's work and his almost unwillingness to help her.

Now granted the defeat of Xana is top priority, but Jeremie does suffer from obsessiveness and focus on one goal. And again, I only draw this from what I see on the show

To be fair to Jeremie though, he does notice that something is bothering her, and you notice how bad he feels about what he says, but he does lack tact.... and that hurts him in this instance, even though in the grander scheme it doesn't seem to matter because they are working together at the end of the episode and Jeremie notices that she is right.

this is off topic, but I am curious as to why more of Xana was not revealed.... I understand because Franz didn't want to upset his daughter, but they could have explained more to the audience outside of Aelita's memories.... to many gaps still there.

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Aelita has flashbacks about her past. Jeremie stupidly tells her to look to her future.

Right now, I don't remember what he exactly said, but it sounded more harsh than just telling her to look to her future. Something about the past... ah hell, I'll download the episode and watch again. I haven't watched CL in a long while, but Aelita (the episode) was a bit above the average.

Now granted the defeat of Xana is top priority, but Jeremie does suffer from obsessiveness and focus on one goal. And again, I only draw this from what I see on the show

To be fair to Jeremie though, he does notice that something is bothering her, and you notice how bad he feels about what he says, but he does lack tact.... and that hurts him in this instance, even though in the grander scheme it doesn't seem to matter because they are working together at the end of the episode and Jeremie notices that she is right.

Now, you pointed out two of possibly the biggest problems Jeremie has.
-Obsessivness with a goal (get rid of XANA).
-Lack of tact... not only this happened between Jeremie and Aelita, but also tends to happen with the rest of his friends.

While Jeremie had great episodes such as Franz Hopper and Ghost Channel, those two elements make Jeremie look like a disgrace to the show.

But the good of Moonscoop pushing Jeremie as this obsessive person who lacks tact is well portrayed. Jeremie IS a geek. As much as most geeks blow, he's essentially playing the geek role brilliantly.
1) Most anti-geek CL fans hate him think of him as a boring, pathetic being. If they hate him, that means Moonscoop is having a good characther.
2) He's a virgin and also pretty naive when it comes to flirting and getting along with Aelita. That's essential to his characther.
3) Now thanks to some USA fans who watch CL, Moonscoop toned down the romance element. While this blows for characthers like Odd, Sissi, Ulrich, William, Aelita and Yumi, this works finely in Jeremie's favor. He's a teenager who is almost a teacher's pet (some teachers find Jeremie as a genius, but a few find him annoying, I could tell that) and likes stuff that your average student wouldn't be into.
4) Most geeks are obsessive with goals related to technology, homework and other stuff like Jeremie does. That is their way of having fun. And while this sucks for some of us, once again, it works well for Jeremie.
5) Now he's portrayed as a genius... but he isn't perfect. He could forget about stuff... maybe you think this is a flaw from Moonscoop and their writers... but Jeremie's human and might also tend to forget about stuff and not thinking well.

This is something I just thought of... but as much as I hate Jeremie, his characther is well portrayed on the show. Several of the characthers are well portrayed, despite the dissapointing season we got from Season 3.

In short... and going back to Jeremie and Aelita... are they really boyfriends as many of these J/A supporters think of? Aside from the fact that most J/A supporters are virgins who never had a relationship (some might have an online relationship, but it's only officially a real relationship if they visit IRL) and just sit in front of their TVs and vouch for geeky Jeremie to go ahead, grab his balls and go straight-forward and make pink-haired Aelita his woman and that they should be a happy, fluffy, long-lasting couple.

Well, Jeremie is no pimp or casanova. And given that getting rid of XANA is his top priority and seeing how things went throughout the 3 seasons, I don't think that Jeremie and Aelita are a couple. They don't have much love-sharing moments, they haven't got laid yet, they merely kiss (not even in the cheek) and their lip-locking scene in Xana's Kiss isn't really the part where they are really a couple. Moonscoop didn't put out more scenes of J/A in a relationship and thye just had them as best friends rather than a couple.

I just don't see Jeremie and Aelita as a couple, contrary to what most J/A supporters think of.

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Aelita has flashbacks about her past. Jeremie stupidly tells her to look to her future.

Right now, I don't remember what he exactly said, but it sounded more harsh than just telling her to look to her future. Something about the past... ah hell, I'll download the episode and watch again. I haven't watched CL in a long while, but Aelita (the episode) was a bit above the average.

Now granted the defeat of Xana is top priority, but Jeremie does suffer from obsessiveness and focus on one goal. And again, I only draw this from what I see on the show

To be fair to Jeremie though, he does notice that something is bothering her, and you notice how bad he feels about what he says, but he does lack tact.... and that hurts him in this instance, even though in the grander scheme it doesn't seem to matter because they are working together at the end of the episode and Jeremie notices that she is right.

Now, you pointed out two of possibly the biggest problems Jeremie has.
-Obsessivness with a goal (get rid of XANA).
-Lack of tact... not only this happened between Jeremie and Aelita, but also tends to happen with the rest of his friends.

While Jeremie had great episodes such as Franz Hopper and Ghost Channel, those two elements make Jeremie look like a disgrace to the show.

But the good of Moonscoop pushing Jeremie as this obsessive person who lacks tact is well portrayed. Jeremie IS a geek. As much as most geeks blow, he's essentially playing the geek role brilliantly.
1) Most anti-geek CL fans hate him think of him as a boring, pathetic being. If they hate him, that means Moonscoop is having a good characther.
2) He's a virgin and also pretty naive when it comes to flirting and getting along with Aelita. That's essential to his characther.
3) Now thanks to some USA fans who watch CL, Moonscoop toned down the romance element. While this blows for characthers like Odd, Sissi, Ulrich, William, Aelita and Yumi, this works finely in Jeremie's favor. He's a teenager who is almost a teacher's pet (some teachers find Jeremie as a genius, but a few find him annoying, I could tell that) and likes stuff that your average student wouldn't be into.
4) Most geeks are obsessive with goals related to technology, homework and other stuff like Jeremie does. That is their way of having fun. And while this sucks for some of us, once again, it works well for Jeremie.
5) Now he's portrayed as a genius... but he isn't perfect. He could forget about stuff... maybe you think this is a flaw from Moonscoop and their writers... but Jeremie's human and might also tend to forget about stuff and not thinking well.

This is something I just thought of... but as much as I hate Jeremie, his characther is well portrayed on the show. Several of the characthers are well portrayed, despite the dissapointing season we got from Season 3.

In short... and going back to Jeremie and Aelita... are they really boyfriends as many of these J/A supporters think of? Aside from the fact that most J/A supporters are virgins who never had a relationship (some might have an online relationship, but it's only officially a real relationship if they visit IRL) and just sit in front of their TVs and vouch for geeky Jeremie to go ahead, grab his balls and go straight-forward and make pink-haired Aelita his woman and that they should be a happy, fluffy, long-lasting couple.

Well, Jeremie is no pimp or casanova. And given that getting rid of XANA is his top priority and seeing how things went throughout the 3 seasons, I don't think that Jeremie and Aelita are a couple. They don't have much love-sharing moments, they haven't got laid yet, they merely kiss (not even in the cheek) and their lip-locking scene in Xana's Kiss isn't really the part where they are really a couple. Moonscoop didn't put out more scenes of J/A in a relationship and thye just had them as best friends rather than a couple.

I just don't see Jeremie and Aelita as a couple, contrary to what most J/A supporters think of.

First of all, a brilliant post on your part. I enjoyed the thought and arguments that you laid out. It is true that Jeremie has a lot of problems, and he is human.... even Genuises are prone to failure. His intellect is a great asset to the group, but also a curse to his social life, as well as his friends. He fails to realize some of the most simple aspects of human affection and caring, but this is what makes him one of the best potrayed characters in the show. He is a geek, and I being nearly that geeky myself, see a lot of these same qualites in myself.... it is saddening in a way but I digress

Second, yeah I know what you mean, I meant to mention how harsh it actually was what he said.

The fact of the matter is that none of the popular ships are actually "couples" It suprises me how many people actually forget this simple fact. I think Jeremie and Aelita share a very loving relationship, just how deep it goes, I am not really sure. I would say almost to the level of "talking..." as many teenagers would put it these days. they have kissed, they both have blushed at the mention of the others name... Jeremie has shown jealousy toward Odd ( who has more flirtation and tact, despite his horrible grades) Aelita even says in the episode I mentioned that she "really likes jeremie." This to me would be an indication of romantic interest, but of course you can spin that vauge statement anyway that you want. as for knowning what a relationship is, I agree with you, but these are also teenagers and are developing more sexuality as time goes on. we don't exactly know all of thier interior monolouges as well, so we don't really know. We also can't follow certain characters for extended periods of time because it would be boring ( as much as Jeremie is my favorite character, I feel that focusing an entire episode merely on his thoughts and daily habbits would be quite dull.) I would like to point out that at 13 I had no idea what a "relationship", but I have learned a lot in recent years. It is something that comes with age, but it doesn't mean that they are not capable of being "in love" as it were.

As for the tone down of the romance, I think it killed a lot of potentially interesting storylines, and that makes me sad, because this show still has so much potential if they would raise the age level. So much story is lost now, that may not ever be recovered.... anyway my .02

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As for the tone down of the romance, I think it killed a lot of potentially interesting storylines, and that makes me sad, because this show still has so much potential if they would raise the age level. So much story is lost now, that may not ever be recovered.... anyway my .02

I agree. Just as long they don't get a stupid like those Adult Swim junk they actually call "TV shows".

(All flames will be thrown at this STUPID internet protection I suddenly just recently discovered.)

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Excellent. I was hoping for someone to try and refute J/A. I thank you, MakeYourself, for stepping up to the plate.

Now, I have had ENOUGH with people ratting out on Geeks being horrible people in TV shows, especially cartoons. They are a normal part of socital cliques, and most of the time integral to the plotline in some way. But you are right about one thing, MakeYourself; they have made Jeremie very real, but not in the way most people think.

In the country of Europe, there is a great number of "geeks" or interest-obscessed people compared to America. There are many reasons for this; Lack of interest in sports (especially "Football"), a personality that is outside of the box, enviromental issues, the capacity to learn...

But if any of you have taken an interest in Abnormal Psychology, you can see the beauty of what Moonscoop has done. Jeremie is clearly intelligent (Plagued), has major issues with social and emotional deprications with severely displace or irriate him, without his realization or awareness unless he focused on it (Final Mix, Xana's Kiss, Franz Hopper, The Key, Final Round), and obscessions involving hobbies, goals, or people. (Computers, Robots, Aelita, Destroying XANA, etc.)

This leads me to believe that he has a high-functioning form of Autism known as Asperger's Syndrome, it's becoming more prominent here in the States, but it definately heavy in Europe, and Moonscoop used that concept. He isn't capable of capable of tact because he didn't understand it's use, and the obscessiveness is a clear symptom. I should know. I have it.

There's no reason to hate Jeremie; If anything, The only real points where he has been completely wrong is Final Mix, because he didn't realize how important this was to Aelita: he was unable to detach his feelings from the situation, which a lot of kids with the condition have. He noticed Aelita as someone he could care for once he met her; hell, she was his first friend EVER. The first interactions we see between Ulrich, Odd and Jeremie show that he is socially and psychologically repressed and detached form other human beings. Aelita broke down those walls a great deal, as he did with informing her about the human world. In that area ALONE, they have a connection no one can break.

Jeremie doesn't need to flirt. He naturally became Aelita's friend and confidant since the beginning, and there is no reason to believe that Aelita would care for it; she likes Jeremie for who he is and doesn't want him to change dramatically, and that is extremely important to both their characters. In Season 2, we have seen that Aelita can fit into ALL social cliques, much to Jeremie's dismay. After Final Mix, Jeremie learned to like her for what she became, and for what she still retained; her sweet nature and understanding. But she still cares for his opinion and qualities, especially his loyalty to her and the others just below that. (Franz Hopper, Double Trouble.) They care for each other because they both need it; Jeremie for emotional, social, and psychological development (although he doesn't see it that way.), and Aelita because his loyalty and kindness, which make up his central and true self, is a constant which she never wishes to lose.

It sounds to me that you are generalizing geeks, and I have to stop you there if you are. There is no context in the fact that being a geek means you can just generalize Jeremie. He is his own person, and even though he does things which are considered geeky, he also is open to new things based on what his friends involve him in. Let's look at another geek in the series for an example; Herb.

Now, both of these individuals share very similar viewpoints and interests, as well as a very high IQ score. But no matter how connected Jeremie is to Aelita, he wouldn't follow her around like a lost puppy like Herb does with Sissy. That's stalker-level, people, which Sissy writes off because he's a minion. He also has a very different moral compass; Herb would cheat to win, which is proven in The Robots, while Jeremie always maintains a very strong sense of what is right and wrong, even if his friends are involved, on a advanced intellectual and a rudimentary social and emotional level. (A Great Day, The Chips Are Down, Double Trouble, Ghost Channel, Frontier.) Now, you could say that he's slightly bad because he sees things in black and white, but every human does before they start breaking things into shades of gray.



But this next part really got to me.

Well, Jeremie is no pimp or casanova. And given that getting rid of XANA is his top priority and seeing how things went throughout the 3 seasons, I don't think that Jeremie and Aelita are a couple. They don't have much love-sharing moments, they haven't got laid yet, they merely kiss (not even in the cheek) and their lip-locking scene in Xana's Kiss isn't really the part where they are really a couple. Moonscoop didn't put out more scenes of J/A in a relationship and thye just had them as best friends rather than a couple.

How DARE you. Loving does not have to involve being "laid" as you put it. I honestly want to know why you believe that's important, but let me move on. Jeremie, as I said before, does not completely comprehend flirting or the aspect that one cannot with a girl in that fashion, but he does not need to. Jeremie got a look at something that most couples can only dream of in most circumstances; Jeremie got to see Aelita for her personality over her looks. Seeing Aelita through a computer screen and as a 3-D image does not really add a physical connection in terms of attractiveness, so Jeremie wasn't attracted to her looks at first. He learned more about her, and how she was self-sacrificing and immensely sweet, caring, and innocent; those are the things he was attracted to, and those are things he fell in love with. Those things stayed a part of her character in Seasons 2 and 3, and they aren't going anywhere. And the part about them being best friends, I believe you are right there, but a best friend relationship isn't as close in the non-sexual physical sense than they are. (Holding hands in several episodes. The end of Xana's Kiss and during False Start, Aelita sitting on his lap, the physical closeness in normal situations, especially classes in Season 2, and compatiblity with their direction in every situation of a Xana attack, when they are together in split-up groups. The glomp hug she gave Jeremie in Straight to Heart when they found out she can virtualize normally. Etc etc etc...)

I think I've made my case.

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Great post Aurabolt.. I had never thought about Aspergers syndrome as an explanation of Jeremie's character. I must admit though that I have no deep knowledge of abnormal psychology. Great case and excellent explanation of the condition. I am a science major and so psychology is not in my normal realm of study.

I also would like to point out though, that you can have a connection like Jeremie's and Aelita's , and not be romantically involved... I should know. I have two very good female friends with that kind of relationship.

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How DARE you. Loving does not have to involve being "laid" as you put it. I honestly want to know why you believe that's important, but let me move on. Jeremie, as I said before, does not completely comprehend flirting or the aspect that one cannot with a girl in that fashion, but he does not need to. Jeremie got a look at something that most couples can only dream of in most circumstances; Jeremie got to see Aelita for her personality over her looks. Seeing Aelita through a computer screen and as a 3-D image does not really add a physical connection in terms of attractiveness, so Jeremie wasn't attracted to her looks at first. He learned more about her, and how she was self-sacrificing and immensely sweet, caring, and innocent; those are the things he was attracted to, and those are things he fell in love with. Those things stayed a part of her character in Seasons 2 and 3, and they aren't going anywhere. And the part about them being best friends, I believe you are right there, but a best friend relationship isn't as close in the non-sexual physical sense than they are. (Holding hands in several episodes. The end of Xana's Kiss and during False Start, Aelita sitting on his lap, the physical closeness in normal situations, especially classes in Season 2, and compatiblity with their direction in every situation of a Xana attack, when they are together in split-up groups. The glomp hug she gave Jeremie in Straight to Heart when they found out she can virtualize normally. Etc etc etc...)

I think I've made my case.

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We-ow...

I agree with you there. Besides nobody really said you have to be sexually involved...

(Plus I really agree with the "How DARE you" statement...)

I'm kind of a geek myself. I do coop myself up working on something on the computer, because of it I haven't watched TV in three weeks. And it's begginning to scare my mom...

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Excellent. I was hoping for someone to try and refute J/A. I thank you, MakeYourself, for stepping up to the plate.

Now, I have had ENOUGH with people ratting out on Geeks being horrible people in TV shows, especially cartoons. They are a normal part of socital cliques, and most of the time integral to the plotline in some way. But you are right about one thing, MakeYourself; they have made Jeremie very real, but not in the way most people think.

I might dislike Jeremie, but he isn't the most horrible characther from all the Code Lyoko cast. He doesn't have to go and repeat the overused "I'd rather not talk about it" phrase that Jim does. He doesn't act like a moron, like Jim does. I haven't defined for myself who's the most horrible characther in Code Lyoko, but Jim is a close candidate for acting like a moron and overusing that phrase, which was fun at first and then got really stale.

In the country of Europe there is a great number of "geeks" or interest-obscessed people compared to America. There are many reasons for this; Lack of interest in sports (especially "Football"), a personality that is outside of the box, enviromental issues, the capacity to learn...

Europe a country?? Check your geography! Europe is a continent as far as I'm concerned. And you also think of America as a country... wouldn't surprise me since you're from the States, unless I'm wrong about your nationality. That said, you got a point there with what you've said.

This leads me to believe that he has a high-functioning form of Autism known as Asperger's Syndrome, it's becoming more prominent here in the States, but it definately heavy in Europe, and Moonscoop used that concept. He isn't capable of capable of tact because he didn't understand it's use, and the obscessiveness is a clear symptom. I should know. I have it.

Jeremie with Aspergers... he might have it, but not to a full degree.

There's no reason to hate Jeremie

Let me put you this easy example... okay, I don't think you watch wresting or WWE, but let me point out the following example: John Cena. Usually, wrestlers in WWE portray gimmicks (some good, some bad). Back in 2003, Cena portrayed a rapper.
That said, if you hate rap, you hate John Cena by default (also considered as an Eminem ripoff).
And with Code Lyoko, if you hate geeks, you hate Jeremie and Hervé by default. I don't really hate Jeremie, I just dislike him, but not only for just being a geek.

He noticed Aelita as someone he could care for once he met her; hell, she was his first friend EVER. The first interactions we see between Ulrich, Odd and Jeremie show that he is socially and psychologically repressed and detached form other human beings. Aelita broke down those walls a great deal, as he did with informing her about the human world. In that area ALONE, they have a connection no one can break.

At first, he just started to care about her since he started the whole thing. There would be no Code Lyoko if it wasn't for Jeremie toying around in the factory. I don't know what kind of geek Jeremie was, but I haven't seen him getting bullied, so I suppose that he must be a loner, then. He knew Ulrich and Odd, but he knew Ulrich a bit more just enough to trust him about Maya and the supercomputer. Ulrich was the one who got the rest involved, but that's another story.

It sounds to me that you are generalizing geeks, and I have to stop you there if you are. There is no context in the fact that being a geek means you can just generalize Jeremie. He is his own person, and even though he does things which are considered geeky, he also is open to new things based on what his friends involve him in. Let's look at another geek in the series for an example; Herb.

Now, both of these individuals share very similar viewpoints and interests, as well as a very high IQ score. But no matter how connected Jeremie is to Aelita, he wouldn't follow her around like a lost puppy like Herb does with Sissy. That's stalker-level, people, which Sissy writes off because he's a minion. He also has a very different moral compass; Herb would cheat to win, which is proven in The Robots, while Jeremie always maintains a very strong sense of what is right and wrong, even if his friends are involved, on a advanced intellectual and a rudimentary social and emotional level. (A Great Day, The Chips Are Down, Double Trouble, Ghost Channel, Frontier.) Now, you could say that he's slightly bad because he sees things in black and white, but every human does before they start breaking things into shades of gray.

I said most, not all of them. Not all geeks suck, but they have their essential elements as of why they're geeks. Now I might dislike geeks like Jeremie a bit, but there are also other geeky characthers I enjoyed watching... Steve Urkel would be one of them, despite the oinking sounds he made on Family Matters. Ross Geller was sometimes cool to watch. I could go on...

How DARE you. Loving does not have to involve being "laid" as you put it. I honestly want to know why you believe that's important, but let me move on.

The getting laid part was a just a bonus. And sex is important in a relationship too. Well, at Jeremie and Aelita's age, sex wouldn't be so important right now, and I don't think they'll get it on... but I just don't see them as a couple. Only as more than the best of friends.

Jeremie, as I said before, does not completely comprehend flirting or the aspect that one cannot with a girl in that fashion, but he does not need to. Jeremie got a look at something that most couples can only dream of in most circumstances; Jeremie got to see Aelita for her personality over her looks. Seeing Aelita through a computer screen and as a 3-D image does not really add a physical connection in terms of attractiveness, so Jeremie wasn't attracted to her looks at first. He learned more about her, and how she was self-sacrificing and immensely sweet, caring, and innocent; those are the things he was attracted to, and those are things he fell in love with.

If Jeremie learns to flirt and goes on that, the characther Moonscoop created will die. Let him learn little by little. For his own sake, let Moonscoop stop making him sound corny and annoying at times.

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Fine, Continent. The point still stands. And yeah, he definately has AS to most likely the degree where one realizes that other people exist, but cannot completely comprehend their feelings.

Now fine, friends is possible, but as I said in my monster big post there are way too many affectionate actions involved in this relationship to consider otherwise. non-sexual, physical actions as well as things that have been said and implied between the two, but had no need to be said.

Also, if there was any throw-off by removal of their feelings, Aelita would have done something similar to Yumi and what she did to Ulrich, but probably with a calming, reassuring explaination to say that she doesn't want to be with him, but she still needs him. But so far, nothing like that has happened, and I am sure they won't. Moonscoop put WAY too much development into this relationship, even depricating the characters development of both characters themselves, to let this drop or never exist. It wouldn't make sense to the laws of story.

And I do have to ask two things. You don't have to answer me if you don't want.

1) What social clique are you in? A athlete(also known as jock)? a deviant(also known as goth)? Where do you stand?

and 2) What do have against people who are geeks? I will be the first to admit that there are major issues with a couple being conceited pricks, but that's really the minority.

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How DARE you. Loving does not have to involve being "laid" as you put it. I honestly want to know why you believe that's important, but let me move on.

The getting laid part was a just a bonus. And sex is important in a relationship too. Well, at Jeremie and Aelita's age, sex wouldn't be so important right now, and I don't think they'll get it on... but I just don't see them as a couple. Only as more than the best of friends.

Erm...guys, just watch how mature the topic conversation gets okay?

Incidentally though, I disagree. Sex is only important if both partners feel they are ready and want it. Some couples choose to wait until after marriage, and some couples for one reason or another do not make it a very important part of their relationship even after marriage at all. And just because they don't doesn't mean they love each other any less than a couple that does.

Seriously though...this topic is bordering into BKO territory. Just to put that out there. ^^;

...and 2) What do have against people who are geeks? I will be the first to admit that there are major issues with a couple being conceited pricks, but that's really the minority.

Actually...I'd also like it if we could get a definition on what everyone means by "geek".

Is a "geek" an exceptionally gifted student who just happens to understand things and grasp concepts better than other students or someone who simply pays attention and does the work required in the class?

Is a "geek" someone who wears suspenders, under-sized pants, white shirts, a pocker protector and glasses, or simply someone who doesn't follow the current fashion trends.

Is a "geek" someone who always flunks in gym? Or merely a student that's not quite as athletic as everyone else?

Is a "geek" an A++ student? Or merely a B+ student in a class full of juvenile delinquents who'd rather not be at school at all?

Suffice it to say, I always greatly disliked that terminology (that and "Nerd"), when being applied to those kinds of definitions, particularly the secondary options. From what I've observed, both in real life and in hollywood terms, a "geek" is merely someone who does well in school (in one way or another) and is ostracized as being "weird" for it. And honestly, where's the sense in that?