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by YDV » Thu Dec 01, 2005 11:29 pm
TB3 wrote:comex wrote:YES! That makes perfect sense!
That's good news but um...what makes sense (I mean which specific theory or was it just the last post or what?)
Just thinking a bit, how exactly is Aelita tied to Lyoko - when she 'sings' is she just manipulating the Lyoko equivilent of pixels or is it something far deeper?
The other idea mulling in my head is what happens when one falls into the Virtual Sea (in fact what IS the sea at all) - it's implied Aelita would be gone forever but the kids were able to recover Yumi when she fell in in 'Cruel Dilemma' (I think that's the ep.)
These are lame subjects so please someone suggest something better!
Hello!
Heh, happy 15th page, everyone! *toasts bottle of Sprite*
Okay, then, here we go... I've always suspected that Aelita was tied to Lyoko in a deeper, unconventional sense. I mean, think about it. One word: PULSATIONS. But anyway, I believe this is all part of her "Lyoko powers" section of her vDNA packet. Here's what I think:
((going along with the Was A Real Girl theory)) Franz and/or Mrs. Hopper (more likely Franz) implanted a sort of "intuneness" with Lyoko into Aelita's vDNA packet after she was virtualized. Perhaps as a preliminary defense against XANA, should he go rogue while she was in Lyoko. This ability included sensing all actions XANA does in Lyoko through towers, the only way he can access anything outside of his prison-like state in Carthage. The way he went about it was probably like causing any access of tower data that is not Aelita to emit "bursts" of data that pretty much say "I'M ACCESSING LYOKO's MAINFRAME." But the only person who could recieve these bursts without conventional means like seeing them is Aelita. Kinda like this: (yay diagrams)
Carthage_________________________________________Lyoko
XANA -----> Exit through outgoing data streams ------> Tower
_________________________________________________v
_________________________________________________v
_____________________________________________Pulsations + Access to outside world
_________________________________________________v
_________________________________________________v
____________________________________Aelita <---------
Along with the ability to sense pusations, Aelita has two other attributes that can only be had by those with the title "Guardian of Lyoko."
1. First of these is Synthesization (what they were called on the official site, I think.) Thanks to the addition to her Lyoko vDNA, Aelita has a pretty much permanent connection to the Towers. In case of an emergency, she can use her power to access Lyoko's "map" and in effect, create any geographical formation she needs on the spot.
2. Second of these is the ability to enter the Code-- which I really think is more than just a password, and is a stream of data jettisoned from her "extra attributes" in the Lyoko section of her vDNA packet into the tower to de-activate it.
Yeah, I know, those are pretty farfetched (besides her connection to the Towers at all times, I think that might be plausible, and it may explain how she's connected to XANA while she's not on Lyoko) but hey.
Okay, about the Digital Sea-- I believe it is just a largely undeveloped area of Lyoko without the proper programming to hold together everything in the Avatar files. Hopper never quite made it to fully rendering them, so he changed the appearence to water-like (probably in order to cover up those unsightly voids of nothingness) while he worked. I suppose what happens when you fall into it is that since that area no longer has the coding to hold your Avatar file together, it sort of instantaneously disassembles, scattering your data to various locations in Lyoko's database. I'm not exactly sure why you're able to save one of the gang with a materialization program and not Aelita.. perhaps it has something to do with her connection to the towers. Once she falls into the Digital Sea, the connection is terminated, and perhaps as a side-effect (or cost) of those powerful Lyoko abilities she has, her data is permanently lost or defragmented. Another possibility is that, again, she didn't have a backup DNA file-- only a materialization program to compensate. So therefore, the program has nothing to base its search off of once her synthesized DNA is scattered by the "currents" of the sea (getting poetic here
) in order to recompile her Avatar file and materialize her, since it was in her vDNA packet and not on the supercompy's memory banks.BEHHHH
by animenologist » Fri Dec 02, 2005 1:01 am
I concurr with TB3, that was very nice YDV. This is why we value your thoughts here in "Let's talk tech". Never forget that. 
Anyways, for it not being as dangerous as originally thought, you also have to remember that its major problems occurred during Season 1. This was before they created a materialization program. At that time, falling in really did mean doom, save for Cruel Dillemma and its one time use materialization program. I would guess that the same reason why Aelita falling into the void would be bad for her is the same reason why she can't be devirtualized forcefully despite having a normal body (well as normal as it can possibly be). Except for our defenders, it has a violent effect on those who fall into it, as shown by all the monsters who've ever fallen in (Blocks from Frontier, Megatank from Log Book, Cruel Dillemma, and Contact).
Which brings me to my thought. Why despite now having a physical body, does Aelita still retain her weakness, the inability to become forcefully devirtualized? Probably figure that out, and you figure out the difference between her and the others in the void.
My first theory is that her physical body is always destroyed everytime she is virtualized, probably has something to do with it being a digitally created body. Would explain why she can't even materialize normally outside of a tower. So she would need to enter a tower where she the materialization program can reasemble her physical body again.
Second idea being that her normal body is very unstable so it needs to be rebuilt precisely, through his materialization program. The others can devirtualize as normal since they're natural bodies, while hers is built from scratch and unable to handle the stress related to forceful devirtualization. Its been shown that the normal devirtualization can be exhausting on the body. Possible that her body just can't take it.
How this translates when falling into the digital void, normal Lyoko residents are torn apart by the flow of the digital sea. Its possible that the normal Lyoko defenders are just swept under its current, flowing through the emptiness. In Cruel Dillemma, before Jeremie had to locate Yumi in the sea before materializing her. This points to Yumi's avatar remaining in more or less one piece. Though I kinda wonder how exactly the materialization program worked. If it just took her vDNA and recreated into another artificial body, wouldn't she have a similar weakness to Aelita? If it took her avatar, recreated it, and linked it to the actual body, that seems contradictory to what a materialization program should do.
This is definately not one of my best thoughts, I just seem to not be getting a whole lot of what took place during this particular situation and missing a lot of evidence to place into something solid. Maybe one of you other guys can use it.
Anyways, for it not being as dangerous as originally thought, you also have to remember that its major problems occurred during Season 1. This was before they created a materialization program. At that time, falling in really did mean doom, save for Cruel Dillemma and its one time use materialization program. I would guess that the same reason why Aelita falling into the void would be bad for her is the same reason why she can't be devirtualized forcefully despite having a normal body (well as normal as it can possibly be). Except for our defenders, it has a violent effect on those who fall into it, as shown by all the monsters who've ever fallen in (Blocks from Frontier, Megatank from Log Book, Cruel Dillemma, and Contact).
Which brings me to my thought. Why despite now having a physical body, does Aelita still retain her weakness, the inability to become forcefully devirtualized? Probably figure that out, and you figure out the difference between her and the others in the void.
My first theory is that her physical body is always destroyed everytime she is virtualized, probably has something to do with it being a digitally created body. Would explain why she can't even materialize normally outside of a tower. So she would need to enter a tower where she the materialization program can reasemble her physical body again.
Second idea being that her normal body is very unstable so it needs to be rebuilt precisely, through his materialization program. The others can devirtualize as normal since they're natural bodies, while hers is built from scratch and unable to handle the stress related to forceful devirtualization. Its been shown that the normal devirtualization can be exhausting on the body. Possible that her body just can't take it.
How this translates when falling into the digital void, normal Lyoko residents are torn apart by the flow of the digital sea. Its possible that the normal Lyoko defenders are just swept under its current, flowing through the emptiness. In Cruel Dillemma, before Jeremie had to locate Yumi in the sea before materializing her. This points to Yumi's avatar remaining in more or less one piece. Though I kinda wonder how exactly the materialization program worked. If it just took her vDNA and recreated into another artificial body, wouldn't she have a similar weakness to Aelita? If it took her avatar, recreated it, and linked it to the actual body, that seems contradictory to what a materialization program should do.
This is definately not one of my best thoughts, I just seem to not be getting a whole lot of what took place during this particular situation and missing a lot of evidence to place into something solid. Maybe one of you other guys can use it.
by Chad Rains » Fri Dec 02, 2005 7:32 pm
for fear of letting this thread take a dive, can someone explain where the whole "Ancillaries Level" and "Power Drive" terms came from? I tried doing a crude search on all the pages but couldnt find anything on those 2 terms.
by Chad Rains » Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:08 pm
yeah. I know. thats where I found the terms. I was just wondering if anyone could provide a more "in depth" explanation or atleast link me to the posts where these terms were originally founded?
by animenologist » Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:24 pm
We came up with the ancillaries level, as the level to house all equipment that we described, but we haven't placed. We placed it between the scanner room and the supercomputer room, because if you check a cross-section of the the factory, there is a large empty space between the 2. Its supposed to have the stuff like the capacitors which hold the actual body when its being virtualized, extra power generators, since in Common Interest, when the power went out, Lyoko didn't automatically shut down, but was slowly disappearing, saying that there was still some residual power somewhere, extra memory banks, anything else they would need as supplemental material, would be stored there.
Power Drive was the term to replace Uranium Drive, since we came to the conclusion that the supercomputer was actually powered by Lead 210 instead of Uranium 235. So we thought it would be more accurate to use PD and Lead Drive doesn't really sound as good. Hope this has been helpful.
Power Drive was the term to replace Uranium Drive, since we came to the conclusion that the supercomputer was actually powered by Lead 210 instead of Uranium 235. So we thought it would be more accurate to use PD and Lead Drive doesn't really sound as good. Hope this has been helpful.
by animenologist » Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:44 pm
I'm guessing, since you are including an episodic breakdown as part of the article, we're not planning to maintain the article from Jeremie's pov, except for the forward. I think that works a lot better, seeing as a lot of our theories use the episodes as evidence, and it would be annoying and confusing to keep it at Jeremie's pov. Better to say Teddygozilla than the time Xana attacked us with a giant teddy bear.
For episodic breakdown, are you planning to summarize all the episodes from 1-52, or only episodes where particularly odd anomolies happen? For the most part, non-special episodes would just feature a quick description of the attack and the basics of how it went about, while special episodes can be incredibly long and detailed, like my explanation of Odd's jermification in Tip-Top Shape, or your explanation of the root-kit in A Great Day. If we probably start now, we can probably break down all the episodes before next Friday, and maybe pick up some interesting things to talk about along the way.
For episodic breakdown, are you planning to summarize all the episodes from 1-52, or only episodes where particularly odd anomolies happen? For the most part, non-special episodes would just feature a quick description of the attack and the basics of how it went about, while special episodes can be incredibly long and detailed, like my explanation of Odd's jermification in Tip-Top Shape, or your explanation of the root-kit in A Great Day. If we probably start now, we can probably break down all the episodes before next Friday, and maybe pick up some interesting things to talk about along the way.
by animenologist » Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:50 pm
Guess I'll continue it, though my memory of the details is a bit hazy.
EPISODE 2: SEEING IS BELIEVING
In this episode, Xana used his spectre to infect the city's electrical grid to divert all power into a single electric pylon until it overloaded. The immediate consequence caused unusual electrical surges in its earlier stages. During the later stages, the massive surges of electricity to the pylon caused the entire city to experience a widespread blackout. After the pylon overloads, Xana than diverted the energy to the city's nuclear power plant to cause a nuclear meltdown and nuclear explosion. This was not the only time Xana used an electrical grid for an attack, as a similar attack was launched in Zero Gravity Zone, though with much different results. This is the first attack where Xana infected a computer network. Jeremie used the console to access information on the pylon, to monitor its progress either by monitoring information sent out through Xana's towers, or hacking into the computer for the city's electrical grid. This is one of the first in many occurrences where Jeremie uses the console to monitor Xana's attack and its progress when Xana infects a computer system. Such other occurrences include Log Book, Big Bug, Satellite, and Zero Gravity Zone.
EPISODE 2: SEEING IS BELIEVING
In this episode, Xana used his spectre to infect the city's electrical grid to divert all power into a single electric pylon until it overloaded. The immediate consequence caused unusual electrical surges in its earlier stages. During the later stages, the massive surges of electricity to the pylon caused the entire city to experience a widespread blackout. After the pylon overloads, Xana than diverted the energy to the city's nuclear power plant to cause a nuclear meltdown and nuclear explosion. This was not the only time Xana used an electrical grid for an attack, as a similar attack was launched in Zero Gravity Zone, though with much different results. This is the first attack where Xana infected a computer network. Jeremie used the console to access information on the pylon, to monitor its progress either by monitoring information sent out through Xana's towers, or hacking into the computer for the city's electrical grid. This is one of the first in many occurrences where Jeremie uses the console to monitor Xana's attack and its progress when Xana infects a computer system. Such other occurrences include Log Book, Big Bug, Satellite, and Zero Gravity Zone.
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by animenologist » Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:56 am
Done and done. And I guess I'll take the next one aswell.
EPISODE 3: HOLIDAY IN THE FOG
In this episode, Xana used his spectres to knock over a couple of canisters of harmful chemicals, and with the energy from the spectre, used it to cause a chemical reaction to make a toxic gas that is lethal after extended inhalation. Using matter and energy from ZPE-space, he was able to replicate the molecules of the gas until it was able to engulf the school and spread throughout nearby areas. Given the relative simplicity of replicating a gas instead of a living body, Xana was able to maintain the replication for a decent amount of time despite Xana's power still being in a relatively infantile state. This is Xana's first attack that consisted of attacking humans using hazardous material. A similar attack happened in Laughing Fit and Amnesia, under similar principles.
EPISODE 3: HOLIDAY IN THE FOG
In this episode, Xana used his spectres to knock over a couple of canisters of harmful chemicals, and with the energy from the spectre, used it to cause a chemical reaction to make a toxic gas that is lethal after extended inhalation. Using matter and energy from ZPE-space, he was able to replicate the molecules of the gas until it was able to engulf the school and spread throughout nearby areas. Given the relative simplicity of replicating a gas instead of a living body, Xana was able to maintain the replication for a decent amount of time despite Xana's power still being in a relatively infantile state. This is Xana's first attack that consisted of attacking humans using hazardous material. A similar attack happened in Laughing Fit and Amnesia, under similar principles.
by animenologist » Sat Dec 03, 2005 2:13 am
Guess I can take a couple more. Once we get to season 2, we can get a better variety of views on the episodes, and maybe a chance for discussion.
EPISODE 4: Log Book
Xana uses a spectre to infect a computerized electric-run bus. After hacking the computer, Xana locked out the steering wheel, the accelerator, and the brakes so that the driver was unable to steer or stop the bus. The door was also locked out, but that was due to tampering from Jim. This Xana's first attack where Xana used runaway vehicles to inflict havoc. Similar attacks occurred in Big Bug, Cruel Dillemma, and Temptation. The actual attack was to crash the runaway bus into the petro-chemical plant, killing the defenders who were on the bus (Odd and Ulrich, though Odd abandoned the bus), and spreading toxic chemicals into the surroundings. Jeremie was able to predict Xana's course of action using the console to monitor information from Xana's tower to predict his the bus' path to the chemical plant.
EPISODE 5: BIG BUG
Xana uses his spectre to infect two computerized trains to collide with one another. Once again, he hacked into the trains computer to deactivate controls to the trains brakes and accelerator in a similar fashion as done in Log Book. One of the trains contained a freight load of environmentally hazardous and toxic material, which when released would cause untold damage to the surrounding environment. Interesting to note that Xana used one tower to control two trains. It can be inferred that he sent out two weak impulses to create simplistic spectres that would allow him to gain control of the trains, allow them to run their course and collide with each other, and remove control from the human operators. Another inference is that the spectre was able to connect to the second train through the electric cables that powered the train. Jeremie used his console to monitor the two trains in order to estimate the time of collision.
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I'd suggest TB3 or YDV take the next one, as it involves the Digital Void and retrieval from it. It be best that someone more knowledgeable in its workings take it, so to accurately explain the episode.
EPISODE 4: Log Book
Xana uses a spectre to infect a computerized electric-run bus. After hacking the computer, Xana locked out the steering wheel, the accelerator, and the brakes so that the driver was unable to steer or stop the bus. The door was also locked out, but that was due to tampering from Jim. This Xana's first attack where Xana used runaway vehicles to inflict havoc. Similar attacks occurred in Big Bug, Cruel Dillemma, and Temptation. The actual attack was to crash the runaway bus into the petro-chemical plant, killing the defenders who were on the bus (Odd and Ulrich, though Odd abandoned the bus), and spreading toxic chemicals into the surroundings. Jeremie was able to predict Xana's course of action using the console to monitor information from Xana's tower to predict his the bus' path to the chemical plant.
EPISODE 5: BIG BUG
Xana uses his spectre to infect two computerized trains to collide with one another. Once again, he hacked into the trains computer to deactivate controls to the trains brakes and accelerator in a similar fashion as done in Log Book. One of the trains contained a freight load of environmentally hazardous and toxic material, which when released would cause untold damage to the surrounding environment. Interesting to note that Xana used one tower to control two trains. It can be inferred that he sent out two weak impulses to create simplistic spectres that would allow him to gain control of the trains, allow them to run their course and collide with each other, and remove control from the human operators. Another inference is that the spectre was able to connect to the second train through the electric cables that powered the train. Jeremie used his console to monitor the two trains in order to estimate the time of collision.
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I'd suggest TB3 or YDV take the next one, as it involves the Digital Void and retrieval from it. It be best that someone more knowledgeable in its workings take it, so to accurately explain the episode.
by Cassius335 » Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:23 am
TB3 wrote:Aelita in short does not have a backup or a stored record of her biological composition (i.e DNA, biofeedback) - presumably when virtualised that data is misinterpreted by the towers and aside from her vDNA-relevent sections, discarded.
Why would it be misinterpreted? Reading this entire strand, I find the idea of Aelita being 'unstable' as strange, as if she's in danger of spontaneously falling apart...
<b>Post merge point.</b>
animenologist wrote:Its supposed to have the stuff like the capacitors which hold the actual body when its being virtualized, extra power generators, since in Common Interest, when the power went out, Lyoko didn't automatically shut down, but was slowly disappearing, saying that there was still some residual power somewhere,
Hmm... Interesting. Lyoko took time to dissapear? That's not normal computer program behaviour...
<b>Post merge point 2.</b>
animenologist wrote:Guess I can take a couple more. Once we get to season 2, we can get a better variety of views on the episodes, and maybe a chance for discussion.
What order will you use?
by YDV » Sat Dec 03, 2005 11:37 am
Uh... stop stealing my fanfic ideas. >.>
I mean, yes, technically it's possible... I think. I mean, it'd have to be like sending an instantaneous "virtualization" process through an SAP, which could have detrimental effects on the quality of the scan.. unless he somehow got the ZPE to hold you in a "stasis field" type deal. Although... he might have to Space-Construct (my newly made up term for synthesizing objects using energy ---> matter from ZPE space!) a scanner. Which would be hassle-ish.
I don't really see the point though. Unless it was Aelita or Jeremie, they could always just DeVirt out. Or Jer could run a Rematerialization.
But, if it was Aelita... Schypozoa.
And Jeremie.. well, Aelita could operate the console. (And it wouldn't really be a bad thing, because we'd finally get to see him in Lyoko! ...Unless the writers/animators decided to be evil/lazy again.
)
I mean, yes, technically it's possible... I think. I mean, it'd have to be like sending an instantaneous "virtualization" process through an SAP, which could have detrimental effects on the quality of the scan.. unless he somehow got the ZPE to hold you in a "stasis field" type deal. Although... he might have to Space-Construct (my newly made up term for synthesizing objects using energy ---> matter from ZPE space!
) a scanner. Which would be hassle-ish.
I don't really see the point though. Unless it was Aelita or Jeremie, they could always just DeVirt out. Or Jer could run a Rematerialization.
But, if it was Aelita... Schypozoa.
And Jeremie.. well, Aelita could operate the console. (And it wouldn't really be a bad thing, because we'd finally get to see him in Lyoko! ...Unless the writers/animators decided to be evil/lazy again.
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