What about a diagram/cutaway of the holomap? I don't think you've drawn one of those...
Then again, I can't understand technobabble, so what do I know?
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by Chupathingy 42 » Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:00 pm
Very Good job TB, keep it up
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From Red VS Blue Episode 2
Sarge: Hey Simmons, what’s the name of the Mexican lizard, eats all the goats?
Simmons: That would be the Chupacabra Sir.
Sarge: Hey Griff, Chupathingy, I like it. Got a ring to it.
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From Red VS Blue Episode 2
Sarge: Hey Simmons, what’s the name of the Mexican lizard, eats all the goats?
Simmons: That would be the Chupacabra Sir.
Sarge: Hey Griff, Chupathingy, I like it. Got a ring to it.
by TB3 » Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:45 pm
Thanks guys
Right - I'm beginning to wrap things up - this evening I wrote this new bit to try and define, once and for all - what makes the supercomputer tick, what a qubit is, and how an RTTP makes the computer more powerful.
This contains a LOT of scienctific theory that is currently being researched, with some sci-fi interlinking it.
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HARDWARE OF THE SUPERCOMPUTER
QUANTUM-DOT-PROCESSORS
The Supercomputer uses tiny devices known as ‘QUANTUM-DOTS’ to perform its operations. These are blobs of material so small that three million of them, end-to-end, would only reach across a human thumb.
Quantum Dots are so small that electrons become trapped in them, and this is how they compute. Electrons spin in one of two directions, and the spin direction can be used to represent the ‘0’ and ‘1’ used in binary coding. However, because of a curious Quantum Phenomenon known as ‘SUPERIMPOSITION’, the Electrons can be said to spin in BOTH directions at the same time.
A practical example of Superimposition is the hypothetical ‘SCHRODINGER’S CAT’ experiment. Let us put a cat in a box with a death-ray, which has a 50% chance of firing. The box is then sealed – the cat has a 50% chance of being dead and a 50% chance of being alive – Superimposition states that the Cat is therefore alive and dead at the same time, and only the act of looking in the box to check on the cat decides which.
Therefore through Superimposition Quantum Dots can show a value of ‘0’, or ‘1’, or ’0 and 1’ – these are the ‘bits and bytes’ of Quantum Computers and are known as QUBITS.
However, this does not mean Qubits are limited to only three values – they can be potentially infinite – the trick is that at this fundamental level the processors begin working with ‘ghost’ versions of themselves that exist in different Quantum Phases to itself, and these ghost processors contain extra Qubit Values – therefore, each Quantum-Dot-Processor could be described as a network of processors, all working together on the same tasks – the only limit to how many Qubits each processor can have, is how many ghosts of itself it has the capacity to detect.
ADDING EXTRA QUBITS
The requirement for adding an extra Qubit to every processor in the computer, is that the computer can ‘learn’ to recognise a new ghost of itself. This requires an immense amount of power, and that occurs through Returning to the Past.
The exact mechanics of the RTTP will be discussed later, but during the process, the computer is connected to itself in two timeframes – present, and past.
When this occurs the two computers briefly exist as a single machine with the combined power of the two – power equal to what would be gained from an extra Qubit. Therefore, the computers can use this new power to locate another ghost version of themselves and tap into it – adding an extra Qubit and making the doubling of power permanent, at which point the process begins again.
This does not occur with every RTTP – if it did the computer would by now have enough Qubits to perform more calculations per second than there are atoms in the universe – in a sense it would have Godly intellect and could perform any function demanded of it – indeed it might be the one making demands of humanity!
Therefore the computer has to work with itself via RTTP many times before it can sense another ghost version of itself – the question is, how many RTTPs are required per Qubit?
We can assume that Franz started with three Qubits – ‘0’, ‘1’ and ‘0/1’ (which in the coding would be represented by ‘2’).
In Season One we saw (when flying through the tunnels between towers) that the supercomputer’s coding was written in the sequence 0-9. Logically, after the events of ‘A Great Day’ the computer would now recognise the values 0-10.
This means the computer has added eight Qubits to the three Franz started with. We know Franz made 2456 time-jumps, and that the kids made at most 100. With these figures in mind (2556 divided by 8 ) we can see the computer adds a new Qubit after approximately 320 time-wipes, assuming that there is a fixed value.
Processing Power
Your modern Personal Computer with a Penitum 4 Processor will achieve a processing power of a few Gigaflops (10 to the power of 9 ‘Floating-point Operations Per Second’). In comparison Sony’s new Playstation 3, employing a Cell Processor, has a total system performance of 218 Gigaflops.
To date, the fastest supercomputer in the world is the Blue Gene supercomputer developed by IBM. Composed of 65,536 traditional processors the prototype (Blue Gene/L) achieved a speed of 135.5 Teraflops (10 to the power of 12) on March 25th 2005. Another of the prototypes with 32,768 processors also set a record for maintaining seven hours of sustained calculation at 70.7 Teraflops.
On October 28th 2005 a production model Blue Gene owned by Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (LLNL) reached 280.6 Teraflops with its 131,072 processors. LLNL predict they can push this figure to at least 360 Teraflops, and a future upgrade expects to produce 0.5 Petaflops (a staggering 0.5x10 to the power of 15 operations per second).
Despite these high figures though, it is apparent that the supercomputer works at a vastly higher level than the Blue Gene projects, and a clue to the computer’s power is hidden in the show.
With every scan, the computer handles all the data in the human body – in the process of five seconds it locates every atom in each of the kids. Given that the number of atoms in an average human is about 10 to the power of 28, this would require the computer to be approximately 9.6 TRILLION times faster than the current record holding Blue Gene. It should also be remembered that this power (0.2x10 to the power of 28 operations per second) is the minimum required for scanning a single human, not three, and does not factor in the other operations carried out by the computer, or the doubling of power that occurs with every Qubit added – the actual processing power for the computer could be (frighteningly) tens of times higher than this value, if not more!
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Feedback would be nice!
Right - I'm beginning to wrap things up - this evening I wrote this new bit to try and define, once and for all - what makes the supercomputer tick, what a qubit is, and how an RTTP makes the computer more powerful.
This contains a LOT of scienctific theory that is currently being researched, with some sci-fi interlinking it.
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HARDWARE OF THE SUPERCOMPUTER
QUANTUM-DOT-PROCESSORS
The Supercomputer uses tiny devices known as ‘QUANTUM-DOTS’ to perform its operations. These are blobs of material so small that three million of them, end-to-end, would only reach across a human thumb.
Quantum Dots are so small that electrons become trapped in them, and this is how they compute. Electrons spin in one of two directions, and the spin direction can be used to represent the ‘0’ and ‘1’ used in binary coding. However, because of a curious Quantum Phenomenon known as ‘SUPERIMPOSITION’, the Electrons can be said to spin in BOTH directions at the same time.
A practical example of Superimposition is the hypothetical ‘SCHRODINGER’S CAT’ experiment. Let us put a cat in a box with a death-ray, which has a 50% chance of firing. The box is then sealed – the cat has a 50% chance of being dead and a 50% chance of being alive – Superimposition states that the Cat is therefore alive and dead at the same time, and only the act of looking in the box to check on the cat decides which.
Therefore through Superimposition Quantum Dots can show a value of ‘0’, or ‘1’, or ’0 and 1’ – these are the ‘bits and bytes’ of Quantum Computers and are known as QUBITS.
However, this does not mean Qubits are limited to only three values – they can be potentially infinite – the trick is that at this fundamental level the processors begin working with ‘ghost’ versions of themselves that exist in different Quantum Phases to itself, and these ghost processors contain extra Qubit Values – therefore, each Quantum-Dot-Processor could be described as a network of processors, all working together on the same tasks – the only limit to how many Qubits each processor can have, is how many ghosts of itself it has the capacity to detect.
ADDING EXTRA QUBITS
The requirement for adding an extra Qubit to every processor in the computer, is that the computer can ‘learn’ to recognise a new ghost of itself. This requires an immense amount of power, and that occurs through Returning to the Past.
The exact mechanics of the RTTP will be discussed later, but during the process, the computer is connected to itself in two timeframes – present, and past.
When this occurs the two computers briefly exist as a single machine with the combined power of the two – power equal to what would be gained from an extra Qubit. Therefore, the computers can use this new power to locate another ghost version of themselves and tap into it – adding an extra Qubit and making the doubling of power permanent, at which point the process begins again.
This does not occur with every RTTP – if it did the computer would by now have enough Qubits to perform more calculations per second than there are atoms in the universe – in a sense it would have Godly intellect and could perform any function demanded of it – indeed it might be the one making demands of humanity!
Therefore the computer has to work with itself via RTTP many times before it can sense another ghost version of itself – the question is, how many RTTPs are required per Qubit?
We can assume that Franz started with three Qubits – ‘0’, ‘1’ and ‘0/1’ (which in the coding would be represented by ‘2’).
In Season One we saw (when flying through the tunnels between towers) that the supercomputer’s coding was written in the sequence 0-9. Logically, after the events of ‘A Great Day’ the computer would now recognise the values 0-10.
This means the computer has added eight Qubits to the three Franz started with. We know Franz made 2456 time-jumps, and that the kids made at most 100. With these figures in mind (2556 divided by 8 ) we can see the computer adds a new Qubit after approximately 320 time-wipes, assuming that there is a fixed value.
Processing Power
Your modern Personal Computer with a Penitum 4 Processor will achieve a processing power of a few Gigaflops (10 to the power of 9 ‘Floating-point Operations Per Second’). In comparison Sony’s new Playstation 3, employing a Cell Processor, has a total system performance of 218 Gigaflops.
To date, the fastest supercomputer in the world is the Blue Gene supercomputer developed by IBM. Composed of 65,536 traditional processors the prototype (Blue Gene/L) achieved a speed of 135.5 Teraflops (10 to the power of 12) on March 25th 2005. Another of the prototypes with 32,768 processors also set a record for maintaining seven hours of sustained calculation at 70.7 Teraflops.
On October 28th 2005 a production model Blue Gene owned by Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (LLNL) reached 280.6 Teraflops with its 131,072 processors. LLNL predict they can push this figure to at least 360 Teraflops, and a future upgrade expects to produce 0.5 Petaflops (a staggering 0.5x10 to the power of 15 operations per second).
Despite these high figures though, it is apparent that the supercomputer works at a vastly higher level than the Blue Gene projects, and a clue to the computer’s power is hidden in the show.
With every scan, the computer handles all the data in the human body – in the process of five seconds it locates every atom in each of the kids. Given that the number of atoms in an average human is about 10 to the power of 28, this would require the computer to be approximately 9.6 TRILLION times faster than the current record holding Blue Gene. It should also be remembered that this power (0.2x10 to the power of 28 operations per second) is the minimum required for scanning a single human, not three, and does not factor in the other operations carried out by the computer, or the doubling of power that occurs with every Qubit added – the actual processing power for the computer could be (frighteningly) tens of times higher than this value, if not more!
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by JeremieCompNerd » Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:25 pm
Very nice summary. The figures will be helpful to me.
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by Sithking Zero » Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:29 pm
I would like to read the finished version, Because this ROCKS!
(Science geek in me coming out...)
(Science geek in me coming out...)
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by Rail Runner » Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:31 pm
definitely coming out good...definitely cant wait to see the end result...awesome.
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by YDV » Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:36 pm
Erm... For some reason I don't recall discussing this quantum dot theory... it sounds nice and does make up for a lot of gaps though. It just has a 'purely theoretical' feel to it (as in I have an awful feeling one day some scientist is going to go 'IT'S NOT POSSIBLE!! D<'). I dunno. I'm not the hardware guy here, so...
All in all it's very nice. So you say it would take 320 time-wipes to add a qubit? Then why are they so worried about using just one? It seems... overly paranoid, if it takes that many to add a new one.
Nice info at the end. Most powerful computer in the world, hidden in an abandoned factory... it's almost sad. Almost. (Just THINK of what could be done with that type of power-- essentially one could create an army if you programmed it right.... *cough, pokes my fanfic*)
All in all it's very nice. So you say it would take 320 time-wipes to add a qubit? Then why are they so worried about using just one? It seems... overly paranoid, if it takes that many to add a new one.
Nice info at the end. Most powerful computer in the world, hidden in an abandoned factory... it's almost sad. Almost. (Just THINK of what could be done with that type of power-- essentially one could create an army if you programmed it right.... *cough, pokes my fanfic*)
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by JeremieCompNerd » Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:41 pm
Ahh, but theory is the stuff of laws... If nobody theorized, science itself would never exist. 'Tis what makes us human.
Besides, a lot of this is grounded very soundly on known mathematical concepts.
On to the topic at hand, I have a minor question. If the computer interprets things at such a high rate, then time when virtualized would be based on the nanoseconds the computer takes to make decisions, as opposed to the much greater time the body takes to react to the same thing. Therefore, time in Lyoko would be much faster than on Earth, yet Jeremie seems to be relatively simultaneous to the Lyoko gang. How would this work? The computer surely wouldn't deliberately slow down to keep pace with reality outside itself, that would be inefficient...
Besides, a lot of this is grounded very soundly on known mathematical concepts.
On to the topic at hand, I have a minor question. If the computer interprets things at such a high rate, then time when virtualized would be based on the nanoseconds the computer takes to make decisions, as opposed to the much greater time the body takes to react to the same thing. Therefore, time in Lyoko would be much faster than on Earth, yet Jeremie seems to be relatively simultaneous to the Lyoko gang. How would this work? The computer surely wouldn't deliberately slow down to keep pace with reality outside itself, that would be inefficient...
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by Sithking Zero » Sat Aug 19, 2006 12:27 am
(Waves hand) there are no plot holes... These are not the droids you're looking for... Crud...
I believe the CPU is very complex. It takes a lot of programs and work to maintain the virtual world of Lyoko, so there's a very significant lag there, enough to allow communication between the worlds on a real-time basis.
BUT WAIT!
Maybe the supercomputer IS delibrately slowing! It would seem to me that to run programs at a faster speeds would use a lot more power, requiring more frequent changes to the nuclear battery.
Also, it might have been for Franz Hopper's benefit. He could have done this so that if he (or another person) went in, and something wrong happened, he could get them out in mere moments, instead of being too late. (I.E., where trouble might be spotted on Lyoko in one second Earth time, on Lyoko, the monsters have already brutally murdered everyone and knocked them into the digital sea.)
So you see, it could be a safety device to prevent accidents!
Also, based on what I have seen, it doesnt' seem to affect the other functions of the computer (Computation aspects, search functions in towers, XANA's files in sector five, etc.)
It's also a convienient plot device!
... Or am I rambling nonsense again?
I believe the CPU is very complex. It takes a lot of programs and work to maintain the virtual world of Lyoko, so there's a very significant lag there, enough to allow communication between the worlds on a real-time basis.
BUT WAIT!
Maybe the supercomputer IS delibrately slowing! It would seem to me that to run programs at a faster speeds would use a lot more power, requiring more frequent changes to the nuclear battery.
Also, it might have been for Franz Hopper's benefit. He could have done this so that if he (or another person) went in, and something wrong happened, he could get them out in mere moments, instead of being too late. (I.E., where trouble might be spotted on Lyoko in one second Earth time, on Lyoko, the monsters have already brutally murdered everyone and knocked them into the digital sea.)
So you see, it could be a safety device to prevent accidents!
Also, based on what I have seen, it doesnt' seem to affect the other functions of the computer (Computation aspects, search functions in towers, XANA's files in sector five, etc.)
It's also a convienient plot device!
... Or am I rambling nonsense again?
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by TB3 » Sat Aug 19, 2006 6:27 am
Hi YD!
Yeah, re. the Quantum Dot - I looked it up and a laboratory has succeeded in making a single Quantum Dot that could be used as a switching component in a computer.
The main reason I went with Quantum Dots was because of the one glimpse we've ever gotten of Hopperian computer components - the circuitboard inside the the necklace from 'St. Valentine's Day' - it had no capacitors or processor chips on it, so I reasoned the Quantum Dot theory would work, because the processors would look just like the metal filigree on the chip.
Thanks for the posts guys - Sithking, I'd just like to point out that the lifespan of the Nuclear Battery is fixed - it doesn't run down with use like electrical batteries, it just runs down continually because of the radioactive decay process.
Yeah, re. the Quantum Dot - I looked it up and a laboratory has succeeded in making a single Quantum Dot that could be used as a switching component in a computer.
The main reason I went with Quantum Dots was because of the one glimpse we've ever gotten of Hopperian computer components - the circuitboard inside the the necklace from 'St. Valentine's Day' - it had no capacitors or processor chips on it, so I reasoned the Quantum Dot theory would work, because the processors would look just like the metal filigree on the chip.
Sithking Zero wrote:Maybe the supercomputer IS delibrately slowing! It would seem to me that to run programs at a faster speeds would use a lot more power, requiring more frequent changes to the nuclear battery.
Thanks for the posts guys - Sithking, I'd just like to point out that the lifespan of the Nuclear Battery is fixed - it doesn't run down with use like electrical batteries, it just runs down continually because of the radioactive decay process.
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by JeremieCompNerd » Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:17 am
Well, yeah, I thought that at first too. Then I thought again. Of course it is realtime, because it helps the plot along, but remember when Hopper made Lyoko, it was "un monde sanz danger". There where no monsters to be afraid of. So there has to be another reason, plot aside, that the computer would slow them down.
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by TB3 » Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:44 am
JeremieCompNerd wrote:Well, yeah, I thought that at first too. Then I thought again. Of course it is realtime, because it helps the plot along, but remember when Hopper made Lyoko, it was "un monde sanz danger". There where no monsters to be afraid of. So there has to be another reason, plot aside, that the computer would slow them down.
Guys - have you considered that Franz slowed it down to realtime for that very reason - so it would be in realtime - I mean, if eventually he decides to leave the computer it would be better if the time spent in Lyoko equated to 20 years rather than 20 minutes.
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by JeremieCompNerd » Sat Aug 19, 2006 12:09 pm
I don't suppose I have just cause to dissagree with that, but as a matter of personal oppinion, I would have made Lyoko time variable based on my whim. In other words, super slow so I could do whatever I wanted in seconds, but easily changed in order to "jump" many years into the future. Then, even if I happened to overshoot the date I wanted, I could RTTP, making time go forwards, backwards, and even stand still completely under my control. In a real, working version of Lyoko, time relations would be most certainly something to take into very serious consideration.
By the way, when Jeremie said it's power doubled each time, and you said it's power doubled every 320 times, I think I can draw a parrallel. I think we missinterpreted his data. When he says "doubled" it might be possible that, rather than doubling *current* statistics, it adds one more of the original power of the computer... Meaning...
1st jump- doubled power
2nd jump- adds 1/2 power
3rd jump- adds 1/3 power
This means the results would be less and less in respect to the whole the more RTTP's you made, but would still be very massive when accumilated. This theory reconciles what Jeremie has stated with what you have observed. Good luck tearing it apart in whatever method you find most gratifying.
By the way, when Jeremie said it's power doubled each time, and you said it's power doubled every 320 times, I think I can draw a parrallel. I think we missinterpreted his data. When he says "doubled" it might be possible that, rather than doubling *current* statistics, it adds one more of the original power of the computer... Meaning...
1st jump- doubled power
2nd jump- adds 1/2 power
3rd jump- adds 1/3 power
This means the results would be less and less in respect to the whole the more RTTP's you made, but would still be very massive when accumilated. This theory reconciles what Jeremie has stated with what you have observed. Good luck tearing it apart in whatever method you find most gratifying.
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by Cassius335 » Sat Aug 19, 2006 5:45 pm
TB3 wrote:JeremieCompNerd wrote:Well, yeah, I thought that at first too. Then I thought again. Of course it is realtime, because it helps the plot along, but remember when Hopper made Lyoko, it was "un monde sanz danger". There where no monsters to be afraid of. So there has to be another reason, plot aside, that the computer would slow them down.
Guys - have you considered that Franz slowed it down to realtime for that very reason - so it would be in realtime - I mean, if eventually he decides to leave the computer it would be better if the time spent in Lyoko equated to 20 years rather than 20 minutes.
Or maybe it takes less system resources (particulary the CPU's) to run Lyoko etc in real time than at this suggested full tilt?
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by TB3 » Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:22 pm
OTHER HARDWARE
The Faraday Cages
As has been demonstrated, Franz wished for the complex supporting Lyoko to be isolated and self-sufficient. The remaining issue with this plan though is how to keep the complex undetectable.
Modern surveillance forces are equipped with devices capable of sensing electrical impulses – therefore detecting a nuclear-powered supercomputer would be extremely easy should Project Carthage have possessed such equipment.
Franz’s solution was two-fold. Firstly he built his laboratory underground. Secondly he enclosed the entire complex in a massive Faraday Cage built into the walls. This requires some explanation.
Faraday Cages (named after Michael Faraday, who constructed the first such device in 1836) are devices that shield and block electromagnetic fields – a common example would be the wire mesh built into the doors of microwave ovens, preventing the release of leathal microwaves through the glass.
Faraday cages work on the principal of perfect conductor, and for this Franz chose to use Exertanium – not only would it fulfil the requirements of a Faraday Cage perfected, but the effect would be amplified by the magnetic-field-repelling characteristics of superconductors.
The Ile. Seguin complex thus includes three separate Faraday Cages, which are built into the walls of the rooms. Not only does this prevent any electromagnetic emissions from the complex being detected by pursuers, but it also protects the complex against counter-electronic warfare – EMP blasts which would fry the complex are blocked by the Cages (the US government uses the same technique to protect some of it’s National Security buildings).
As an aside, this means the complex should survive all-out nuclear war – its bunker construction would protect against the explosive force of an atomic bomb, and the Cages would shield against the EMP pulse released by such an explosion.
A curious side-effect however also saved Franz a considerable amount of savings on lightbulbs – not only did the Exertanium enhance the effect of the Faraday Cages, it also reflected back the emissions as light – this also explains the source of light in the underground complex – the walls themselves.
The amount of light of course depends on the intentensity of the emissions, again in keeping with what we see in the show – the elaborate door mechanism between the various levels and the elevator also fits in with this concept, as it itself would have to contain a Faraday cage (and thus be very large and bulky).
This also implies that since discovering the complex, Jeremie has set up a local cell-phone network within it, as we know the kids can use their phones inside the complex, despite being inside a Faraday Cage and deep underground.
The Modems
These are components of the supercomputer housed in its lower ring – 36 identical junction boxes. It is through the modems that all data enters or leaves the supercomputer, and they are also the point where all of the computer’s physical connections to the complex plug in – the wires leading to the scanners, console etc.
The modems also each contain a very important piece of hardware – a circuit board that allows the creation of wormholes through ZPS – these wormholes (dubbed ‘Spatial Anomaly Passageways’ or SAPs) are the means by which the computer connects to external networks (such as the internet and mobile phone networks) – the interesting upside is that without a physical connection to the supercomputer, any hacking done by Jeremie or XANA cannot be traced by external parties, further preserving the safety of the complex.
SAPs are also crucial to the operation of the Return to the Past (as we will discuss shortly) and the creation of XANA’s spectres, which are created in the modems and then transmitted to their target via SAPs guided along local power and phone lines.
The Sensor Array
This refers to the Exertanium panels covering the casing of the supercomputer, and their purpose is to monitor ZPS.
This was done by simply bolting on flat sheets of nanotubes which are NOT energised. However, fluctuations of ZPS in the vicinity of the factory cause small energy fluctuations in the nanotubes – by measuring these fluctuations and then running all that data through a set of extremely complicated algorithms, filters and processes it is possible to record all the electrical signals in the Billancourt area which push and pull at ZPS.
This might not sound particularly useful but when all that data is complied into a it allows the supercomputer to build a virtual model of the area around it, and Jeremie has been seen using this multiple times like a combination map and sensor array to track XANA’s activity in the real world. XANA also used this data to create a ‘Virtual Billancourt’ in the episode Ghost Cahnnel.
Other applications of this model are to home in on telecommunication signals in the area which the computer can hack via the modems – allowing a constant stream of intel for XANA and Jeremie and learning material for Aelita in Season One.
Security also plays a part – the model serves like a motion-sensor coupled to security cameras, alerting Jeremie as to when someone enters the factory facility, the sewer tunnel and it would seem, the grounds of the Hermitage.
Another application is to help support the other functions of the computer – large electrical disturbances in reality could damage or destroy SAPs emitted by the modems with negative outcomes, and so the computer uses the model to monitor for ‘hot-spots’ where disturbances are likely – one major hot-spot is the nuclear plant with it’s extremely high voltages, thus why the plant often appears on Jeremie’s screen.
These monitoring capabilities when added together make a formidable spying-tool. Quite what range the modems possess though is unknown. Judging from the image of a globe frequently seen on screen though, it would seem the modems can monitor any position on Earth. It is unlikely though that they continually monitor every square inch on the planet though, merely that Jeremie could shift the focus if he wanted to. Since this globe image is also seen when an RTTP is triggered it seems the computer makes a global scan for ‘tagged’ individuals.
The sensor array however has another property, and when Franz discovered it by accident he changed the entire course of events that would culminate in the creation of Lyoko.
RETURNING TO THE PAST
The basic principal of Returning to the Past lies in Einstein’s theory of relativity. When reduced to basics it states that the nearer an object comes to the speed of light the slower the time around it appears to pass.
Ergo, if something were to pass the speed of light, then it would start moving backwards in time.
The problem in applying this is that it is impossible for something to pass the speed of light. Physics shows that when an object approaches lightspeed, it begins to gain mass, and at the verge of lightspeed any object would possess infinite mass and would thus require infinite energy to accelerate even further.
However the flip side of this is that particles might exist to balance the equation – these are known as Tachyons and always travel at faster-than-light speeds, requiring infinite energy to slow them down.
The interesting things about tachyons is that physics prove they exist, yet no-one has managed to find a tachyon in nature, or trap one.
Franz Hopper however, by a total accident, managed not only to create tachyons, but to control them.
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One theory as to how Tachyons might be formed is by ‘Quantum Condension’, where Quantum Fields collapse down into faster-than-light particles. These kind of Quantum Fields would require either phenomenal power to generate them, or billions of devices operating on Quantum principals.
The kind of devices comprising a computer 9.6 Trillion times more powerful than its nearest rival…
The supercomputer is then, a giant Tachyon generator, and Franz unknowingly built into it the hardware required to control those Tachyons – the sensor array.
When the computer’s fields condense into Tachyons they try to fly away at faster than light speeds – however, being virtual particles they are affected by events in Zero-Point-Space, and the effect of the sensor array and it’s ZPS-sensing abilities is to drag the tachyons into orbit around the supercomputer.
Though orbiting the supercomputer, the tachyons are still travelling faster-than-light, and so are also moving backwards in time – therefore a tachyon emitted by the supercomputer on August 20th 2006 will retroactively orbit the computer back past June 6th 1994 and beyond, continuing to travel backwards in time until the point is reached where the sensor array doesn’t exist (i.e. any point prior to it being installed), at which point the Tachyons will fly out of the supercomputer’s orbit and fly on into space, travelling on throughout eternity.
Quite how Franz discovered this (and thus qualified for yet another Nobel Prize) will be looked at later, but he realized that if he was unknowingly controlling tachyons, why couldn't he use them to encode a message to the past?
This involves energizing parts of the sensor array to alter the orbit of the tachyons slightly – like damming a river to control its flow. Any data encoded in this manner could theoretically be picked up by the supercomputer at any point in the past, however each data-stream includes a set of commands that prevent the computer running this data until the desired time of the user – the Temporal Co-ordinates.
When a Return to a Past begins the computer first locates the kids and isolates their brain patterns – this is done via the sensor array.
Copies of this data and any changes that have occurred in the computer since the point being returned to are streaming via tachyons to the supercomputer in the past. During this stage the supercomputer is connected to itself and doubles in power.
Once all data has been received in the past the computer uploads the ‘future memories’ of the kids to them via SAPs from the modems. It also installs to itself any new data that had occurred between the current timeframe and the point in the future when the RTTP began – this allows it to shut down XANA’s target tower before it is infected, preventing the attack from occurring.
Therefore the original sequence of events never happens – however this entails a temporal paradox: If the original events never occurred, how do the kids possess memories of it?
The answer is that a ‘ghost’ of the original timeline still exists, imprinted on our own via Quantum Superimposition, cancelling out the possibility of a paradox that could theoretically destroy all of Space and Time.
One tragic side-effect though is that anyone who died in the original sequence of events will also die in the new – the Superimposition of timelines means the cessation of any person’s life in the original will carry over into the new via the process of Destructive Interferance – this is an effect which cannot be prevented in any way.
The Faraday Cages
As has been demonstrated, Franz wished for the complex supporting Lyoko to be isolated and self-sufficient. The remaining issue with this plan though is how to keep the complex undetectable.
Modern surveillance forces are equipped with devices capable of sensing electrical impulses – therefore detecting a nuclear-powered supercomputer would be extremely easy should Project Carthage have possessed such equipment.
Franz’s solution was two-fold. Firstly he built his laboratory underground. Secondly he enclosed the entire complex in a massive Faraday Cage built into the walls. This requires some explanation.
Faraday Cages (named after Michael Faraday, who constructed the first such device in 1836) are devices that shield and block electromagnetic fields – a common example would be the wire mesh built into the doors of microwave ovens, preventing the release of leathal microwaves through the glass.
Faraday cages work on the principal of perfect conductor, and for this Franz chose to use Exertanium – not only would it fulfil the requirements of a Faraday Cage perfected, but the effect would be amplified by the magnetic-field-repelling characteristics of superconductors.
The Ile. Seguin complex thus includes three separate Faraday Cages, which are built into the walls of the rooms. Not only does this prevent any electromagnetic emissions from the complex being detected by pursuers, but it also protects the complex against counter-electronic warfare – EMP blasts which would fry the complex are blocked by the Cages (the US government uses the same technique to protect some of it’s National Security buildings).
As an aside, this means the complex should survive all-out nuclear war – its bunker construction would protect against the explosive force of an atomic bomb, and the Cages would shield against the EMP pulse released by such an explosion.
A curious side-effect however also saved Franz a considerable amount of savings on lightbulbs – not only did the Exertanium enhance the effect of the Faraday Cages, it also reflected back the emissions as light – this also explains the source of light in the underground complex – the walls themselves.
The amount of light of course depends on the intentensity of the emissions, again in keeping with what we see in the show – the elaborate door mechanism between the various levels and the elevator also fits in with this concept, as it itself would have to contain a Faraday cage (and thus be very large and bulky).
This also implies that since discovering the complex, Jeremie has set up a local cell-phone network within it, as we know the kids can use their phones inside the complex, despite being inside a Faraday Cage and deep underground.
The Modems
These are components of the supercomputer housed in its lower ring – 36 identical junction boxes. It is through the modems that all data enters or leaves the supercomputer, and they are also the point where all of the computer’s physical connections to the complex plug in – the wires leading to the scanners, console etc.
The modems also each contain a very important piece of hardware – a circuit board that allows the creation of wormholes through ZPS – these wormholes (dubbed ‘Spatial Anomaly Passageways’ or SAPs) are the means by which the computer connects to external networks (such as the internet and mobile phone networks) – the interesting upside is that without a physical connection to the supercomputer, any hacking done by Jeremie or XANA cannot be traced by external parties, further preserving the safety of the complex.
SAPs are also crucial to the operation of the Return to the Past (as we will discuss shortly) and the creation of XANA’s spectres, which are created in the modems and then transmitted to their target via SAPs guided along local power and phone lines.
The Sensor Array
This refers to the Exertanium panels covering the casing of the supercomputer, and their purpose is to monitor ZPS.
This was done by simply bolting on flat sheets of nanotubes which are NOT energised. However, fluctuations of ZPS in the vicinity of the factory cause small energy fluctuations in the nanotubes – by measuring these fluctuations and then running all that data through a set of extremely complicated algorithms, filters and processes it is possible to record all the electrical signals in the Billancourt area which push and pull at ZPS.
This might not sound particularly useful but when all that data is complied into a it allows the supercomputer to build a virtual model of the area around it, and Jeremie has been seen using this multiple times like a combination map and sensor array to track XANA’s activity in the real world. XANA also used this data to create a ‘Virtual Billancourt’ in the episode Ghost Cahnnel.
Other applications of this model are to home in on telecommunication signals in the area which the computer can hack via the modems – allowing a constant stream of intel for XANA and Jeremie and learning material for Aelita in Season One.
Security also plays a part – the model serves like a motion-sensor coupled to security cameras, alerting Jeremie as to when someone enters the factory facility, the sewer tunnel and it would seem, the grounds of the Hermitage.
Another application is to help support the other functions of the computer – large electrical disturbances in reality could damage or destroy SAPs emitted by the modems with negative outcomes, and so the computer uses the model to monitor for ‘hot-spots’ where disturbances are likely – one major hot-spot is the nuclear plant with it’s extremely high voltages, thus why the plant often appears on Jeremie’s screen.
These monitoring capabilities when added together make a formidable spying-tool. Quite what range the modems possess though is unknown. Judging from the image of a globe frequently seen on screen though, it would seem the modems can monitor any position on Earth. It is unlikely though that they continually monitor every square inch on the planet though, merely that Jeremie could shift the focus if he wanted to. Since this globe image is also seen when an RTTP is triggered it seems the computer makes a global scan for ‘tagged’ individuals.
The sensor array however has another property, and when Franz discovered it by accident he changed the entire course of events that would culminate in the creation of Lyoko.
RETURNING TO THE PAST
The basic principal of Returning to the Past lies in Einstein’s theory of relativity. When reduced to basics it states that the nearer an object comes to the speed of light the slower the time around it appears to pass.
Ergo, if something were to pass the speed of light, then it would start moving backwards in time.
The problem in applying this is that it is impossible for something to pass the speed of light. Physics shows that when an object approaches lightspeed, it begins to gain mass, and at the verge of lightspeed any object would possess infinite mass and would thus require infinite energy to accelerate even further.
However the flip side of this is that particles might exist to balance the equation – these are known as Tachyons and always travel at faster-than-light speeds, requiring infinite energy to slow them down.
The interesting things about tachyons is that physics prove they exist, yet no-one has managed to find a tachyon in nature, or trap one.
Franz Hopper however, by a total accident, managed not only to create tachyons, but to control them.
*
One theory as to how Tachyons might be formed is by ‘Quantum Condension’, where Quantum Fields collapse down into faster-than-light particles. These kind of Quantum Fields would require either phenomenal power to generate them, or billions of devices operating on Quantum principals.
The kind of devices comprising a computer 9.6 Trillion times more powerful than its nearest rival…
The supercomputer is then, a giant Tachyon generator, and Franz unknowingly built into it the hardware required to control those Tachyons – the sensor array.
When the computer’s fields condense into Tachyons they try to fly away at faster than light speeds – however, being virtual particles they are affected by events in Zero-Point-Space, and the effect of the sensor array and it’s ZPS-sensing abilities is to drag the tachyons into orbit around the supercomputer.
Though orbiting the supercomputer, the tachyons are still travelling faster-than-light, and so are also moving backwards in time – therefore a tachyon emitted by the supercomputer on August 20th 2006 will retroactively orbit the computer back past June 6th 1994 and beyond, continuing to travel backwards in time until the point is reached where the sensor array doesn’t exist (i.e. any point prior to it being installed), at which point the Tachyons will fly out of the supercomputer’s orbit and fly on into space, travelling on throughout eternity.
Quite how Franz discovered this (and thus qualified for yet another Nobel Prize) will be looked at later, but he realized that if he was unknowingly controlling tachyons, why couldn't he use them to encode a message to the past?
This involves energizing parts of the sensor array to alter the orbit of the tachyons slightly – like damming a river to control its flow. Any data encoded in this manner could theoretically be picked up by the supercomputer at any point in the past, however each data-stream includes a set of commands that prevent the computer running this data until the desired time of the user – the Temporal Co-ordinates.
When a Return to a Past begins the computer first locates the kids and isolates their brain patterns – this is done via the sensor array.
Copies of this data and any changes that have occurred in the computer since the point being returned to are streaming via tachyons to the supercomputer in the past. During this stage the supercomputer is connected to itself and doubles in power.
Once all data has been received in the past the computer uploads the ‘future memories’ of the kids to them via SAPs from the modems. It also installs to itself any new data that had occurred between the current timeframe and the point in the future when the RTTP began – this allows it to shut down XANA’s target tower before it is infected, preventing the attack from occurring.
Therefore the original sequence of events never happens – however this entails a temporal paradox: If the original events never occurred, how do the kids possess memories of it?
The answer is that a ‘ghost’ of the original timeline still exists, imprinted on our own via Quantum Superimposition, cancelling out the possibility of a paradox that could theoretically destroy all of Space and Time.
One tragic side-effect though is that anyone who died in the original sequence of events will also die in the new – the Superimposition of timelines means the cessation of any person’s life in the original will carry over into the new via the process of Destructive Interferance – this is an effect which cannot be prevented in any way.
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by Jeremified » Sun Aug 20, 2006 6:18 pm
*brain explodes*
WOWSERS. Great job on that.
WOWSERS. Great job on that.
thank you all for the good memories 
by JeremieCompNerd » Sun Aug 20, 2006 6:37 pm
Very nice. I like the detail in the Tachyon RTTP use.
Is anyone going to comment on my theory of potential increase from the RTTP's?
Is anyone going to comment on my theory of potential increase from the RTTP's?
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by TB3 » Sun Aug 20, 2006 6:45 pm
JeremieCompNerd wrote:Very nice. I like the detail in the Tachyon RTTP use.
Is anyone going to comment on my theory of potential increase from the RTTP's?
Thanks - re the second bit, I would, if I understood what you were getting at - could you rephrase it please?
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by JeremieCompNerd » Sun Aug 20, 2006 6:58 pm
Sorry, I know it was a little unclear.
Instead of doubling the computers current power, it adds the base power to the current.
Base power- 1
1st RTTP- 2
2nd RTTP- 3
3rd RTTP-4...
You see, then it would theoretically add one "original" computer to the current computer.
It wouldn't be based on exponential growth, but rather on multiplied or added strength. You add the power of the original computer to the current power each time you use it, so they would have less and less effect the more you added, but would still reach massive proportions after extended use.
Instead of doubling the computers current power, it adds the base power to the current.
Base power- 1
1st RTTP- 2
2nd RTTP- 3
3rd RTTP-4...
You see, then it would theoretically add one "original" computer to the current computer.
It wouldn't be based on exponential growth, but rather on multiplied or added strength. You add the power of the original computer to the current power each time you use it, so they would have less and less effect the more you added, but would still reach massive proportions after extended use.
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by TB3 » Sun Aug 20, 2006 7:04 pm
JeremieCompNerd wrote:Sorry, I know it was a little unclear.
Instead of doubling the computers current power, it adds the base power to the current.
Base power- 1
1st RTTP- 2
2nd RTTP- 3
3rd RTTP-4...
You see, then it would theoretically add one "original" computer to the current computer.
It wouldn't be based on exponential growth, but rather on multiplied or added strength. You add the power of the original computer to the current power each time you use it, so they would have less and less effect the more you added, but would still reach massive proportions after extended use.
Umm - isn't this actually squaring the power, then cubing, then 4-ing, 5-ing etc?
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by Cassius335 » Sun Aug 20, 2006 8:54 pm
TB3 wrote:A curious side-effect however also saved Franz a considerable amount of savings on lightbulbs
'a considerable amount of francs', maybe? Might sound less redundant
TB3 wrote:Once all data has been received in the past the computer uploads the ‘future memories’ of the kids to them via SAPs from the modems. It also installs to itself any new data that had occurred between the current timeframe and the point in the future when the RTTP began – this allows it to shut down XANA’s target tower before it is infected, preventing the attack from occurring.
Therefore the original sequence of events never happens – however this entails a temporal paradox: If the original events never occurred, how do the kids possess memories of it?
Because the computer just gave them their memories for the next few hours or whatever at the beginning of the previous paragraph?TB3 wrote:One tragic side-effect though is that anyone who died in the original sequence of events will also die in the new – the Superimposition of timelines means the cessation of any person’s life in the original will carry over into the new via the process of Destructive Interferance – this is an effect which cannot be prevented in any way.
I thought that was just 'tagged' individuals...otherwise you'd have people mysteriously dropping dead all over the city, if not the planet...
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by JeremieCompNerd » Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:18 pm
No, no, not the current power, the BASE power, the power it had before any of the RTTP's. Before he took it through a return to the past, it was, say,
1 gig.
After he took it on the first trip, it was
2 gig.
After the second trip, it was
3 gig. instead of the 4 gig it would have been if it doubled in power each time. You see, it only adds 1x the power of the original, instead of adding 1x the power of the current. Get it?
It makes everything we know from the show, as well as everything you have theorized, all link up together.
1 gig.
After he took it on the first trip, it was
2 gig.
After the second trip, it was
3 gig. instead of the 4 gig it would have been if it doubled in power each time. You see, it only adds 1x the power of the original, instead of adding 1x the power of the current. Get it?
It makes everything we know from the show, as well as everything you have theorized, all link up together.
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by TB3 » Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:36 am
JeremieCompNerd wrote:No, no, not the current power, the BASE power, the power it had before any of the RTTP's. Before he took it through a return to the past, it was, say,
1 gig.
After he took it on the first trip, it was
2 gig.
After the second trip, it was
3 gig. instead of the 4 gig it would have been if it doubled in power each time. You see, it only adds 1x the power of the original, instead of adding 1x the power of the current. Get it?
It makes everything we know from the show, as well as everything you have theorized, all link up together.
Hmm - I'm still not sure - this would mean adding a qubit with ever RTTP, and once the computer has 300 Qubits it can perform more calculations per second that there are atoms in the universe!
And Cassius, thanks for the Francs comment - that's what happens when I try to type while drunk!
As for the memories - the Paradox is this:
If the original series of events never happened, how do the kids have memories of it? Yes the computer sent those memories to them, but where did IT get them from - the computer from the future. BUT if those series of events did not occur, how could the computer send that data back?
Things basically start getting very fiddly, so if we toss in this 'imprint' of the original timeline it allows a simple answer and prevents the Paradox.
As for people dropping dead, yes, they will - HOWEVER they will not die the second after the RTTP, but only when they died in the original timeline - i.e. if XANA squashed me at 3.30pm, then after the RTTP I will suddenly cease all bodily functions at 3.30pm.
The net result is that deaths not associated with XANA will not appear suspicious - i.e. if someone in a Bahamas had a heart-attack and passed on, then they still will, but the timeframes line up that he would have died anyway
Oh, and there MIGHT be a way to prevent someone being snuffed out by the Superimposition, if you could stick them in a location where normal rules of physics might not apply:
i.e. you stick them in an energized scannner and hope it sheilds them, or transfer them to Lyoko, which almost certainly would, since bodily functions no longer enter into the equation.
Hope this helps
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