Seasons 3 Discussion

[alexjames83 offline]

yeah england has to wait till march 2007 till sereies 3 comes out but hope full y vcaht will have his site up next september stil and we can whatch em on his site well not september like nvember because he has to whatch them first serieis 2 is on his site and we would have to wait till march next year till sereis 2

[*Star* Gazer offline]

Phew...... thing I moved to PA so I don't have to wait two years!

[alexjames83 offline]

yeah but still a year to go though

[Osiris offline]

two years ah man england is coloser why do we have to wait so long?

[Cassius335 offline]

Besides I doubt Xana would do anything to Mr.Puck. it's a doll.

Not what he's suggesting. He means that XANA would essentially turn his copy of the Keys into an avatar resembling Mr Puck.

[*Star* Gazer offline]

Eh who knows.

[YDV offline]

two years ah man england is coloser why do we have to wait so long?

Because we secretly own France and we pay them their weight in American stuff. Like iPods. (Just like we secretly own Canada, and Mexico, and Japan, and... oh wait I can't tell you the next one. )

Anyways... uh. Why -would- XANA do that? I doubt he'd turn it into an avatar resembling anything...

[Arcalyth offline]

No no... he can make a Mr. Puck on lyoko just like his spectres. Or he could bring Mr. Puck to life and make him evil. Either way, he will probably have a part in the story, or they wouldn't have made such a big deal of it in Aelita's Memory.

-Halo

[Jimar offline]

Well, they made it a big part in Aelita's memory, because I'm guessing that Franz had a reason to give Mr. Pück, since in "The Key", when they were going down to the factory, Franz is like:

"Aelita, do you remember where Mr. Pück is?"

...She answers, and it's good.

And Mr. Pück held the keys to Hopper's diary, so, I guess it has a bit of importance in there.

[TB3]

Aelita's visons were possibly her subconcious leading her to Mister Puck - fragments of her fractured memories resurfacing now that she has real-world prompts for them.

[Osiris offline]

two years ah man england is coloser why do we have to wait so long?

Because we secretly own France and we pay them their weight in American stuff. Like iPods. (Just like we secretly own Canada, and Mexico, and Japan, and... oh wait I can't tell you the next one. )

ROFL

[Taelia offline]

Would they call their virtual forms on Earth in some way?

[animenologist offline]

well, I posted in the topic I made up, but was told this thread alread exists here, so I'll just copy it to here.

What do expect to happen/ Want to happen in Season 3? Any episode ideas, change in group dynamics, new quirks, things you just want to see, I'd like to hear 'em.

What I'd like to see is for another one thing from my list of things Code: Lyoko must do before ending to get crossed off my list. My current list includes:

1. Aelita materialized
2. Jeremie on Lyoko (and we get to see his avatar)
3. Ulrich/Yumi relationship becoming official
4. Odd getting a steady girlfriend
5. Sissi befriending the Lyoko gang (not necessarily meaning she joins the group)
6. XANA defeated

1 has already happend, and 6 has to wait for the end of the series, but 2-5 I'm really hoping for. Number 5 has actually been making decent strides in Season 2.

I also had an episode idea that would work best after they gave the prequel. After the events of The Key, I'd say Aelita is pretty shaken up by the events, possibly in a state of depression. If they still go onto Lyoko for fights, it be interesting to see her lash out against Jeremie. Afterall, she was pretty mad at her father who was a "totally crazy second rate magician", how would she feel about the totally crazy second rate "magician's apprentice" (Franz Hopper reference). Could probably be based on her drawing parallels between Jeremie and her father. Franz Hopper stole her life, and Jeremie gave her a life of complete danger without ease. He was the one who stopped her from commiting suicide and finishing off XANA, before XANA's release (and only she and Jeremie know that). Would be especially more powerful if Jeremie was responsible for activating and keeping supercomputer online after the gang first found it. And as a last blow, probably include something of treating Aelita like a child and saying that he would fight and protect her, but he himself was too cowardly to enter Lyoko himself. After the fight, on their next Lyoko trip, probably could have Aelita supplant Jeremie's authority and have the gang virtualized with her to fight XANA without Jeremie's assistance. While on Lyoko can have Aelita start to remember all the joy Jeremie brought her. That the new life he gave her, she had friends, a chance to explore herself, and give herself an identity. A chance to truly live. Maybe have the rest of the gang be devirtualized and as just to show no hard feelings, have Jeremie virtualize himself to fight on Lyoko for her, promising to protect her forever as well as treat her like she should be treated.

What do you guys think? And again, I'd like to hear some of the stuff you want for season 3.

[Cassius335 offline]

I think you could easily get a whole season out of an Aelita/Jeremie rift. After all, They Key/Revelation shattered Aelita's entire world view. No way that's going to heal in an ep.

EDIT: Oh, and if we're going on about new seasons, let's remind ourselves of this thread:

http://www.lyokofreak.net/forum/viewtop ... highlight=

[animenologist offline]

That actually would be pretty cool to have a season long rift between Jeremie and Aelita. Have it start out with Jeremie just being the same as he normally is, but Aelita being unusually silent, even cold to him. After about 2-3 episodes, have her snap at him, comparing him to her father, accusing him of being cowardly, thinking only about himself for keeping Aelita alive, and her being tired of fighting XANA. Have it go for half a season where she doesn't talk to him and the only time they communicate is when on missions. Halfway through, she starts feeling empty without Jeremie, maybe slowly realize that although a lot of things bad happened to her because of Jeremie, she feels free because of him. Probably include one last big fight between the two before the finale, sorta as dramatic tension beforehand saying that what was built the last half of the season is suddenly torn down. And during the finale, include some sort of redemption by Jeremie, an act of great courage and love to her, where Aelita forgives him. And now its sounding like I’m writing a bad soap opera, so I best stop. Does it sound as corny to you guys as it does to me?

[Taelia offline]

It sounds great! =D Maybe you can have them finally after they apologize, like how Aelita mentioned in Cruel Dilemma.

[Lyokofreak offline]

i think they will continue to protect aleita no questions and jeremy not likeing aelita....not gonna happen

As far as i know, Jeremy loves aelita so much he would activate a tower and trap himself with her.

[TB3]

Great ideas here - though the idea of Aelita remaining cold towards Jeremie for half a season might be taking it a bit far.

My suggestion might be to make a small story-arc out of their acrimony and eventual re-emergence of each others feelings over the first five or six episodes (like the 'New Order' to 'Mister Puck' portion of Season Two, which had a continuing story).

My other suggestion would be that after the positive end Season Two went out on regarding the group it would take a drastic event in the first episode to break Jeremie and Aelita's bond - a XANA attack which partially suceeds, or a catastrophic mistake on Jeremie's part etc.

Any thoughts?

[Mewberries151]

Great ideas here - though the idea of Aelita remaining cold towards Jeremie for half a season might be taking it a bit far.

My other suggestion would be that after the positive end Season Two went out on regarding the group it would take a drastic event in the first episode to break Jeremie and Aelita's bond - a XANA attack which partially suceeds, or a catastrophic mistake on Jeremie's part etc.

Any thoughts?

You make a good point there. Aelita and Jeremie get frustrated with each other from time to time, but half a season is far too long for them to remain bitter at each other, especially on the uplifting note season 2 ended with about unity and the ties of friendship. Plus...

and her being tired of fighting XANA...

...that sounds more like something Ulrich would say. Aelita has never once complained about fighting XANA, and seeing as how she considers fighting XANA her "job", I highly doubt she'd ever say that...much less shout at Jeremie for it.

So, it's an interesting idea...but it stretches the characters a little too far out of their personalities, I think (...almost verging on OOC).

[animenologist offline]

Or why not combine both. Having XANA actually succeed partially in his attack (I would of went with killing someone, but they'd never allow that), it would really drive home in Aelita's mind that Jeremie made the biggest mistake of letting her live, at the same time not putting all the burden of blame on Jeremie. Maybe have it at the end of the season, like have the first 8 or so episodes have Aelita in a gloomy mood, and at episode 9 or so, the big fight. That way you can have Jeremie's vindication and Aelita's personal rebirth coincide with the season finale.

And really the end wasn't the most positive cheer out loud moment for a happy ending. It was sorta somber if you ask me, with a small light of hope shining due to their friendship. Really, for Aelita, her whole world was turn upside down, she has realized she lost a former life, and her father is possibly dead. XANA is now free and more dangerous than ever and she probably bears the most burden since she is the most important person on the team. She may have minor depression. Thats not something you can just forget so easily, in a few days, or even a few months. If the writers do some good work, they can really play it up, until the big fight that sets Jeremie and Aelita adrift.

Again, theres a lot of chances to really drive home the fight if it happens, plenty of ways to draw parallels to Hopper, to show him on the surface a coward, ways to show that all this trouble was all his fault. And then have them kiss and makeup at the end. Though sinces its a short season, this little arc would take up a good amount of time.

[TB3]

After reading your ideas Animenologist I've drafted up an episode idea for how to kill someone respectfully and thus divide Jeremie and Aelita, and I've posted it in Taelia's 'XANA's Curse of Hate' Episode Idea Thread. I'd love to hear your feedback.

[Mewberries151]

And really the end wasn't the most positive cheer out loud moment for a happy ending. It was sorta somber if you ask me, with a small light of hope shining due to their friendship.

That's why I said it was "uplifting" and not "cheerful". It was somber, but it gives hope that maybe friendship and unity can hold some ground in the face of darkness. I agree entirely that it wasn't a huge celebration...but there was a small bit of light at the end of the tunnel which is why it was uplifting nonetheless.

Aelita blaming herself for what's happened sounds more in character, but I still can't see her and Jeremie arguing over that for more than a few episodes (or having an arguement at all, past the two of them having a spat over exactly who's fault it is, with both of them blaming themselves for XANA's escape). They just don't seem the type to argue and stay mad with each other for exceedingly long periods of time. Jeremie, in particular, tends to realize very quickly when he's in the wrong in regards to Aelita (seen most extensively in "Frontier") and would go to great lengths to repair any hurt he'd caused her. Aelita's also very forgiving in her own right (she was the first to forgive Ulrich in "The Chips Are Down"), so I really can't see them arguing and staying frustrated with each other for any great length of time, and especially not over who's to blame for XANA escaping...as they're both logical thinkers and would likely compromise soon enough by agreeing that neither are to blame (or for a silly twist, that they agree they both are).

[lyokodude offline]

What are you all talking about, wait I missed an episode

[animenologist offline]

And really the end wasn't the most positive cheer out loud moment for a happy ending. It was sorta somber if you ask me, with a small light of hope shining due to their friendship.

That's why I said it was "uplifting" and not "cheerful". It was somber, but it gives hope that maybe friendship and unity can hold some ground in the face of darkness. I agree entirely that it wasn't a huge celebration...but there was a small bit of light at the end of the tunnel which is why it was uplifting nonetheless.

Aelita blaming herself for what's happened sounds more in character, but I still can't see her and Jeremie arguing over that for more than a few episodes (or having an arguement at all, past the two of them having a spat over exactly who's fault it is, with both of them blaming themselves for XANA's escape). They just don't seem the type to argue and stay mad with each other for exceedingly long periods of time. Jeremie, in particular, tends to realize very quickly when he's in the wrong in regards to Aelita (seen most extensively in "Frontier") and would go to great lengths to repair any hurt he'd caused her. Aelita's also very forgiving in her own right (she was the first to forgive Ulrich in "The Chips Are Down"), so I really can't see them arguing and staying frustrated with each other for any great length of time, and especially not over who's to blame for XANA escaping...as they're both logical thinkers and would likely compromise soon enough by agreeing that neither are to blame (or for a silly twist, that they agree they both are).

That's why I originally wanted my idea to last one episode. I believe Cassius335 thought it could stretch a season (especially since Season 3 is fairly short). TB3 thought it would make a small story arc, kinda like the first five episodes of Season 2. And still, people do change with time depending on the circumstances. Just compare Season 1 Aelita with Season 2 Aelita. In Season 1, she was fairly passive, not very proactive, basically innocence personified. Jeremie and Aelita's first 'fight' was hardly a fight at all. Just Jeremie being cranky from too many late nights. After she started living at Kadic, things you'd never see Aelita do in Season 1, happened in Season 2.

They fought with each other quite a few times, the one in Final Mix actually lasted a decent amount of time for about a few hours, over something like being a techno dj. A few times, she's acted out entirely on impulse and emotion, sometimes to a reckless degree. In Missing Link, she decided on her own to transfer part of her vDNA to Yumi, without a chance for Jeremie to have his say or to fully understand the consequences of the action. Even in Just in Time, the factory was crumbling around Jeremie before Aelita finally decided shut down the tower and reformat herself. Ultimatum, she knocked out Jeremie to get to Lyoko, and in Contact she runs off by herself leaving Ulrich to fend for himself. In Déjà vu, she ran off to Sector 5 without shutting down the tower, a move that can be considered selfish. And in The Key its shown she is capable of acting out of anger. After hearing what happened to her father and seeing his diary, out of anger and spite for him, she shut down Lyoko. She basically just tried to commit suicide/patricide, on impulse. To feel that way and to commit such an action, could mean she’s given up on herself or for a moment doubt that the group would be able to pull through.

Really, the events of The Key were probably devastating to her, to find out that her life was taken from her. Her entire world turned upside-down and her father now missing. And her job has just become so much harder with XANA’s, which one could fault Jeremie for. We don’t know how the trauma could affect her, seeds of doubt could have been planted, and all it would need is an event like what TB3 said to set it off. I feel it’s a definitely plausible for something like that to happen.

[Mewberries151]

That's why I originally wanted my idea to last one episode. I believe Cassius335 thought it could stretch a season (especially since Season 3 is fairly short). TB3 thought it would make a small story arc, kinda like the first five episodes of Season 2. And still, people do change with time depending on the circumstances. Just compare Season 1 Aelita with Season 2 Aelita. In Season 1, she was fairly passive, not very proactive, basically innocence personified. Jeremie and Aelita's first 'fight' was hardly a fight at all. Just Jeremie being cranky from too many late nights. After she started living at Kadic, things you'd never see Aelita do in Season 1, happened in Season 2.

They fought with each other quite a few times, the one in Final Mix actually lasted a decent amount of time for about a few hours, over something like being a techno dj. A few times, she's acted out entirely on impulse and emotion, sometimes to a reckless degree. <b>In Missing Link, she decided on her own to transfer part of her vDNA to Yumi, without a chance for Jeremie to have his say or to fully understand the consequences of the action. Even in Just in Time, the factory was crumbling around Jeremie before Aelita finally decided shut down the tower and reformat herself. Ultimatum, she knocked out Jeremie to get to Lyoko, and in Contact she runs off by herself leaving Ulrich to fend for himself.</b> In Déjà vu, she ran off to Sector 5 without shutting down the tower, a move that can be considered selfish. <b>And in The Key its shown she is capable of acting out of anger. After hearing what happened to her father and seeing his diary, out of anger and spite for him, she shut down Lyoko. She basically just tried to commit suicide/patricide, on impulse.</b> To feel that way and to commit such an action, could mean she’s given up on herself or for a moment doubt that the group would be able to pull through.

Really, the events of The Key were probably devastating to her, to find out that her life was taken from her. Her entire world turned upside-down and her father now missing. And her job has just become so much harder with XANA’s, which one could fault Jeremie for. We don’t know how the trauma could affect her, seeds of doubt could have been planted, and all it would need is an event like what TB3 said to set it off. I feel it’s a definitely plausible for something like that to happen.

Yes, they have been know to bicker with each other, but they've still never remained angry with each other for an extended period of time. A death would cause the entire group to take a good look at what their actions have lead to, and I think that while Aelita would blame herself, Jeremie would blame himself in return.

Anyway, I've bolded the points you made that said showed a change in Aelita's character. These points are actually just further examples of Aelita's only true weakness which is her martyr complex...her sense of putting everyone else's safety before her own. "Just In Time" was the first example, and "Missing Link", "Ultimatum", and "Contact" are just further instances of this constant character trait, not points where a new one emerged (personally, I don't think Ulrich was left to fend for himself, so much as he was left to fend a tower that Hopper had activated; Aelita left to deactivate a tower in order to save Yumi from the possessed nurse...again putting other's safety above her own interests). Even in "The Key", it's pretty much her martyr complex making itself known, although admittedly to a far greater extent. Aelita hasn't really developed new character traits (other than a sense of individuality)...its more that the character traits she's always had were developed further.

Deja Vu is not a true example of Aelita acting out of any selfish nature (or personal interest) as Jeremie states within the episode that XANA is using his link to her to influence her decisions and memories (thus the activated tower).