Let's Talk Tech II - Over a year of Tech! :)

[Cassius335 offline]

Cassius, this Quantum Interferance incident in the show was written beforehand, but proves the concept has validity in CL - and frankly, I'm sick to the back teeth of this argument.

Temporal Mechanics don't F**king exist guys, so we can't have a definative answer, and why do we have to beat around the bush when we have a plausible answer that explains why people die etc, that is concurrence with the established plot and imagery of the show.

Re the 'destiny' bit - I have suggested a means of saving said person, so there is a way to change the future, negating the destiny concept.

The other problem I have Cassius is that no-one can give a better alternate method to the Destructive Interferance argument, which I will stand by.

And I will remain unconvinced, at least until we see how the show handles things.

[Shi_Min_Xi offline]

Lol, go to sleep man.

Look, let's just get this down flat and settle this once and for all. If time travel is possible, then Paradoxes WILL HAPPEN in the linear timestream the show depicts.

There is a possibility that paradoxes do not occur in other models of time, but these not not apply because they state it is impossible to change the future, which we see occuring in every episode with an RTTP.

Therefore, time in CL is linear, therefore we WILL have paradoxes.

Example of a Paradox:

In XANA awakens part two we have the unusual example of a member of the team not being affected by the RTTP. We also have the unusual example of an episode lasting for two days.

Right, at 8.10 pm in the first sequence of events, Ulrich kidnaps Kiwi.

At 8.10 pm in the new sequence, the gang have a conversation with Aelita.

HOWEVER - Ulrich still remembers kidnapping Kiwi - how can that be, if those events, which SHOULD be happening at this time, do not occur. Yes, we can say he has them because the supercomputer gave them to him, but how could the computer have extracted those memories from his mind in Timeline A when timeline A no longer EXISTS!

Forgive me if I'm wrong but couldn't what I said earlier be applied here? The main reason that I can see which can be used to refute my suggestion was the fact that the RTTP can not bring a dead person back, which would contridict my suggestion. Is this what you're using at to disprove me becuase if so then I shall drop this subject, but if not, can you tell me what other reason is given to refute this?

[Reesane offline]

Grrrrrrrr......

Sometimes it is SO FRUSTRATING reading you guys arguing about peradoxis. we can solve all of the problems by asuming A) Time exists all at once and we only are cappable of experencing it in a linner way, or B) the RTTP is simaler to "Rewind/record" on a tape player. Trying to explain both would undoughtably cause mis-comunication.

[DarkestSoul X21 offline]

You said it.

[Sithking Zero offline]

What I want to know is, in season one, whenever Aelita activated a tower, the return to the past program was launched. In the second season, someone had to be on-sight in order to activate a return to the past, which goes against scenes in the episodes "Taelia," (where Jeremie is being dragged away) and "Laughing fit" where he is nearly unconcious. How do we explain this?

[Chad Rains offline]

The scenes in season one just didnt show the part of the activated RTTP by Jeremie? I think its fairly certain that the RTTP's DO have to be manually triggered by someone at the terminal.

[Sithking Zero offline]

No, if you read over my last post, I provide two examples where a return to the past does occour, yet nobody is on-site to enter the codes.

[Cassius335 offline]

What I want to know is, in season one, whenever Aelita activated a tower, the return to the past program was launched. In the second season, someone had to be on-sight in order to activate a return to the past, which goes against scenes in the episodes "Taelia," (where Jeremie is being dragged away) and "Laughing fit" where he is nearly unconcious. How do we explain this?

I'm guessing that at some point Jeremie found the auto-trigger and disabled it...

[Sithking Zero offline]

Another question: if you have glasses, like Jeremie, and you went to Lyoko, what would happen to them? Would they become part of your avatar, or would your eyes automatically be fixed, or what? I mean, we've never seen Jeremie on Lyoko, so really, what?

[AmericanLyokoTeam offline]

Well, if I read earlier right, they felt sound was virtually controlled and passed by the simulation. Not a big leap from there to say that the visual signals are generated for you rather than something you'd detect. So it's likely that glasses wouldn't be needed at all within the supercomputer. Now if we buy the 'subconscious avatar design,' they may be so integral that he keeps them anyway.

[TB3]

Jeremie would probably keep the glasses just for the aesthetics, though I'm with American Lyoko Team in saying they're probably not needed.

Actually, Jeremie would probably end up with something similar to glasses, but different - like a monocle or a Visor like the Chief Engineer from Star Trek.

[AmericanLyokoTeam offline]

Today's episode was rather excellent for showing what I meant. When they jumped back on to Lyoko they saw the real world. The visuals had to be generated internally, not as senses observing the landscape like you would detect it in real life.

Speaking of real life looking like Lyoko, that sure had to be some expert work on knowing exactly what to disrupt in the human brain by XANA. It begs the question of why he didn't just interupt critical life systems instead of simply messing with the sense centers. Maybe the scannes would have recognized that as a critical fault in biology upon re-assembly?

[mooshie offline]

ok I just finished reading "cowl" (great book by the way) and it brought up a good point if there are muntiple timelines( which is almost garaunteed by quantum probability, which states that nothing will definitely happen, it's just probabilities, therefore they must all happen just and a different loaction in the space - time continuum) there is a possibility that the timelines will be organized according to a probability slope, that is things that are less probable slant "downwards" further and in the event of a paradox, that timeline would go straing down, and in regards to the "ripple effect, it's probable that it goes at the speed of light seeing as that is speed gravitational waves travel through the space time continuum, sorry if I'm being to sciency

[Sithking Zero offline]

Today's episode was rather excellent for showing what I meant. When they jumped back on to Lyoko they saw the real world. The visuals had to be generated internally, not as senses observing the landscape like you would detect it in real life.

Speaking of real life looking like Lyoko, that sure had to be some expert work on knowing exactly what to disrupt in the human brain by XANA. It begs the question of why he didn't just interupt critical life systems instead of simply messing with the sense centers. Maybe the scannes would have recognized that as a critical fault in biology upon re-assembly?

Well, maybe XANA was just having some fun. I mean, it was pretty funny seeing Odd and Ulrich act like they were on Lyoko...

Not everything requires a Science-y answer, though. And I'm sure if he wanted to mess with the vitals, he would have possessed them and self-destructed their internal organs. Painful, but more to his style then just messing around subtlely.

[TB3]

Today's episode was rather excellent for showing what I meant. When they jumped back on to Lyoko they saw the real world. The visuals had to be generated internally, not as senses observing the landscape like you would detect it in real life.

Speaking of real life looking like Lyoko, that sure had to be some expert work on knowing exactly what to disrupt in the human brain by XANA. It begs the question of why he didn't just interupt critical life systems instead of simply messing with the sense centers. Maybe the scannes would have recognized that as a critical fault in biology upon re-assembly?

Well when you think about it, XANA is simply duplicating what the supercomputer does whenever the kids are in Lyoko, feeding a stream of data into the mind and nervous system (note that the boys could also 'hear' their fight on Lyoko, and they yelled in pain when Aelita used 'Energy Field' in the hospital).

How XANA did this was puzzling to me initially, but then it struck me.

We've always held that their is a link between the computer and the kids which allows it to gather their mental data and overwrite their old memories during an RTTP - obviously this would have multiple safety blocks on it to prevent unwanted interferance with the brain.

Who's to say that all XANA's attack with the Mantas did was to remove the safety systems, allowing him to feed data to their minds.

As for XANA's new Sense of Humor - well he's definately started 'toying' with the gang of late - an excellent example would be making ten possessed people surround Yumi and take turns in zapping her with lightening - presumably his new tactic in many cases is just to 'stall' the team long enough to destroy the core, or a sector, or the factory, or the supercomputer.

[Gazzet offline]

How do I join? mail me maybe?

[mooshie offline]

a good start would probably be to contribute to the thread

[Cassius335 offline]

Speaking of which, someone want to explain what was going on in "No Body In Particular"?

[AmericanLyokoTeam offline]

I don't have a problem with Ulrich emerging as just 'mind.' The way it seemed to work was being state of pure energy, and the posession of others using energy to override the impulses in the brain. The fact he still showed up to us the audience as Ulrich was probably the way he saw himself or narrative convenience.

Jeremie's technobabble as to why the sector 5 virtualization would work, I'm not even gonna touch. if TB3 wants to spin the magic gears and come up with a rectifying explaination for it, I'm all for it though.

[TB3]

Lol - I need to see the ep first - and I look forward to some technobabble by Jeremie!

[Sithking Zero offline]

Me too. I look forwards to Ulrich possessing people. For some reason, that seems really funny...

[TB3]

Hmm, from what I hear, Ulrich becomes a ghost of sorts and Jeremie somehow uses the Heisenberg Principal for direct virtualisation into Carthage.

(gets brain rolling)

Watch, this, space

[Taelia offline]

Pshh! Danny Phantom much?

[Sithking Zero offline]

Well, Danny Phantom isn't the only show with Posessions. I can think of a couple games, and lets not forget, XANA's been doing this since the time he took over the Return to the Past function.

[TB3]

Pshh! Danny Phantom much?

Yes, but I refuse to accept Supernatural Phenomena as an explanation of Ulrich's state (and I still haven't seen the episode).

Hmmm (grins slowly)...perhaps a displaced Quantum signature of his mind...