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[Cassius335 offline]

1) Aelita didn't get anywhere NEAR Sector 5 that Season. And any data on Franz Hopper has been wiped and restoring Carthage won't bring that data back.

2) No, because the DNA Sequence and Materialisation program, extraneous data that wasn't part of the original program.

If you wiped your hard drive and reinstalled Windows, it wouldn't bring back any other files that were wiped, would it? Anything not on the install DVD(s) is GONE.

[Sithking Zero offline]

They'd need fresh DNA, AX. And DNA degrades rather quickly, especially without the virtual stuff not on hand.

[Tangent128 offline]

I was pretty sure that Franz had escaped to the Internet at the end of Season 3- even if the data for materializing Hopper's body was somehow still there, it would be useless without a mind... or at least very creepy.

[Sithking Zero offline]

And if they do materialize the body... we'd have Zombie Franz.

[JeremyHopper offline]

Ah, I see what you guys are saying. Technically they could materialize Franz using his vDNA, but since his mind is detached from his body he would come out lifeless. Or worse... XANA could take over the lifeless body during materialization!

When Jeremy materialized Aelita, I hypothesize that the hard part was not getting the vDNA, but attaching the mind of Aelita with the virtual body. When someone virtualizes, their mind is detached from their body, but a link is kept so that when you try to devirtualize him/her the mind will reunite with the body. Whatever happened to Aelita, the link must've been broken between her vDNA and her mind. My guess anyway.

[mooshie offline]

I'm fairly sure the vDNA includes the simulation of the mind that controls the avatars on lyoko, after all there is nothing that differentiates it from the simulation of the bodies that creates the avatars themselves

[Cassius335 offline]

Possibly, though Ulrich's mind and body DID end up in seperate places, so the program presumably works fine even if the mental section is missing.

[mooshie offline]

and to be fair, that was XANA's doing so..

[YDV offline]

Ah, I see what you guys are saying. Technically they could materialize Franz using his vDNA, but since his mind is detached from his body he would come out lifeless. Or worse... XANA could take over the lifeless body during materialization!

When Jeremy materialized Aelita, I hypothesize that the hard part was not getting the vDNA, but attaching the mind of Aelita with the virtual body. When someone virtualizes, their mind is detached from their body, but a link is kept so that when you try to devirtualize him/her the mind will reunite with the body. Whatever happened to Aelita, the link must've been broken between her vDNA and her mind. My guess anyway.

*insert LTT dinosaur*

Erm. xD;; It was my assumption that Jeremie's ordeal was about her back-up file in the vDNA missing. Like, she had the code but no guide on converting it back. So he had to figure out a way to convert her vDNA into actual DNA without it. I dunno. I haven't thought about it in a while (nor have I been here *shot*)

[Sithking Zero offline]

Come to think of it, how is that possible that we, the ones who have dissected the very fabric of space and time to explain a kids cartoon show, haven't come up with an answer to the problem of the entire first season?

This is something we must discuss...

[Cassius335 offline]

*insert LTT dinosaur* Erm. xD;; It was my assumption that Jeremie's ordeal was about her back-up file in the vDNA missing. Like, she had the code but no guide on converting it back. So he had to figure out a way to convert her vDNA into actual DNA without it. I dunno. I haven't thought about it in a while (nor have I been here *shot*)

Makes sense to me. And welcome back.

[YDV offline]

Thanks.

Yeah... it's just, when I read that, something in my brain told me "THAT'S NOT RIGHT!" but I couldn't remember why. xD;

[JeremyHopper offline]

Ah, I see what you guys are saying. Technically they could materialize Franz using his vDNA, but since his mind is detached from his body he would come out lifeless. Or worse... XANA could take over the lifeless body during materialization!

When Jeremy materialized Aelita, I hypothesize that the hard part was not getting the vDNA, but attaching the mind of Aelita with the virtual body. When someone virtualizes, their mind is detached from their body, but a link is kept so that when you try to devirtualize him/her the mind will reunite with the body. Whatever happened to Aelita, the link must've been broken between her vDNA and her mind. My guess anyway.

*insert LTT dinosaur*

Erm. xD;; It was my assumption that Jeremie's ordeal was about her back-up file in the vDNA missing. Like, she had the code but no guide on converting it back. So he had to figure out a way to convert her vDNA into actual DNA without it. I dunno. I haven't thought about it in a while (nor have I been here *shot*)

Eh, I get some of this stuff wrong because the last time I saw Season 1 was like a year ago. I'm making hypothesis's with the evidence I've got, which happens to not be much. And welcome back YDV.

Another thing: I believe that the mind is completely seperate from the body, not only in Lyoko but in real life, so you can't say that the SC just replicates the mind, it's completely impossible. The mind is more energy than matter. It could exist seperate from a body. Now here's a question: if anybody agrees with what I'm saying, then how could the SC support the mind of the person in Lyoko and keep it undamaged?

Remember, I'm always just throwin' ideas out there! Don't think I'm saying "This is true now believe it or else!" because I'm not.

EDIT:|:|: Ah, now I remember! Your right, I think Jeremy dosen't know how to convert the vDNA back to normal DNA. Maybe he needs to figure out an algorithm that's unique for each person's vDNA?

[Tangent128 offline]

while the Lyokan avatars serve the function of creating distinct divisions between characters, they also function as ‘file folders.’
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vDNA Mental/Consciousness Patterns

This file contains all data referring to the ‘mental’ aspect of the human body – namely a molecular scan of the mind and a recording and simulation of all neural impulses and wavelengths.

This file is also encoded in vDNA to allow it to be simulated and linked to the avatar’s ‘nervous system’ – when the two files combine the avatar ceases to be inanimate coding and becomes a living, thinking, feeling being.
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SEPARATE FILES The avatar only contains the files necessary for it’s own operation, but it also serves as a link to several other files held in the supercomputer’s restricted access memory.

MOLECULAR SCAN – BIO (V. large file, VDNA encoded) This is all the data picked up by the scanners during the virtualisation, minus the actual consciousness, which is diverted to the avatar.
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Yeah, that would seem to imply that the mind and physical body data are stored separately. As far as the reason Aelita was linked to the SC, I was thinking of how files on *nix systems are handled- multiple folders can have links to the same file, and programs that have a file open also have a link to it; a file is only removed when all links are gone. If you delete it from the folder, but still have it open, it isn't gone yet. The SC might use a similar system. The memories XANA took from Aelita were removed from her Avatar, but they were still linked to by the program that runs the Avatars. This program also linked to the rest of the data in her Avatar, of course. She couldn't remember anything because the data couldn't be accessed by the Avatar program (maybe because of that sphere it was in?), but the program still considered the data to be there.
Presumably, when, say, Odd is materialized, the SC considers his mental data to have been moved to his physical body, and, since his Avatar has been removed from Lyoko, ceases to track it. However, when Aelita was materialized, the program did not move her 1994 memories into her body, not knowing that they existed since they weren't in her Avatar. Presumably, the Avatar program, for safety reasons, only closes all of its files on an all-or-nothing basis; since it couldn't close the 1994 memories, likely due to another safety mechanism (don't close the last link to human files), it kept links to her mind in her body as well.

I hope somebody bothers reading this...

[Key offline]

When they enter the scanners, doesn't the whole body go into Lyoko? I wouldn't have thought that the body would just stay in the scanners that whole time.

The whole body must be taken, and converted into data. That's why Aelita wouldn't appear when the scanners are opened, so more than just 3 people can enter the Lyoko, proof being the addition of William.

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What is the process of virtualization anyway?

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And that brought me to another question.

Does Virtualization preserve age? That was the whole idea behind Franz's, "A World Without Danger" idea.

I would have thought no, because the memory is still going within the person entering Lyoko. When they come out, they remember what happened. Aelita did seem younger when she first entered Lyoko.

[Cassius335 offline]

In order:

Yes

It's a long story. Try here: http://ltt.purplehill.net/index.php?title=Main_Page

and we aren't sure.

*sigh* Of all the people who could have ressurected the thread, why him?

[Key offline]

The thread died?

I just wanted a few questions awnsered is all. LyokoFreak doesn't seem quite so keen on visitors these days.


Conventional reason doesn't work with Cassius335. Always predictable.

[Sithking Zero offline]

Okay, I have a question.

Since ghosts and ghost-possessed objects and people appear (largely from observation) to use electricity as the primary modus of power, couldn't water theoretically ground a possessed person and kill the ghost?

And yes, in the episode with Possessed Mr. Delmas, he runs on water, but I have a theory to back that up. The ghost possessed everything except the feet, and used the rest of the leg to propel itself forwards, then used heat created by electricity to steam the H20 off.

So, is this possible, or is it crap?

[mooshie offline]

Well, considering the "ghost" is a digital impulse it is possible, however for all of the crazy superpowers it is more likely that either
1. Xana superhyperultracharges the victims metabolism, which would would explain why the possesees are so tired afterwards.
2. Xana uses the wormhole he/she used to posses the victim to send them energy, which explains the victim's ability to create the energyfield-like blasts.

[JeremyHopper offline]

3. It's a kids TV show and all good animes have balls of energy shooting from peoples hands.

lol I'm just kidding. But you know, a lot of it is plot device...

[Cassius335 offline]

The thread died?

I just wanted a few questions awnsered is all. LyokoFreak doesn't seem quite so keen on visitors these days.


Conventional reason doesn't work with Cassius335. Always predictable.

Conventional reason has nothing to do with it. I don't like you, simple as that.

And could you try asking questions that make it at least appear you've been paying attention for the last two-and-a-bit threads and one essay?

Okay, I have a question.

Since ghosts and ghost-possessed objects and people appear (largely from observation) to use electricity as the primary modus of power, couldn't water theoretically ground a possessed person and kill the ghost?

And yes, in the episode with Possessed Mr. Delmas, he runs on water, but I have a theory to back that up. The ghost possessed everything except the feet, and used the rest of the leg to propel itself forwards, then used heat created by electricity to steam the H20 off.

So, is this possible, or is it crap?

It's plausible (the spectre's certainly seem to avoid water), though: have any posessed people shown any fear of water? A simpler explanation might be that being in a host body insulates the possessing spectre (and the host body will have some water in it already, which implies SOME resistance).

[Key offline]

The thread died?

I just wanted a few questions awnsered is all. LyokoFreak doesn't seem quite so keen on visitors these days.


Conventional reason doesn't work with Cassius335. Always predictable.

Conventional reason has nothing to do with it. I don't like you, simple as that.

And could you try asking questions that make it at least appear you've been paying attention for the last two-and-a-bit threads and one essay?

That doesn't even deserve a reply.

[JeremyHopper offline]

...And yet you did reply...

On a non-necro note, how complicated would the software have to be to handle the scanners and input from the supercomuter? You know, the software on that computer console Jeremy has in the holoroom level. How many variables are in play? What kind of information is being shared between the console, the supercomputer, and the scanners? What other important hardware is there?

[Cassius335 offline]

On a non-necro note, how complicated would the software have to be to handle the scanners and input from the supercomuter? You know, the software on that computer console Jeremy has in the holoroom level. How many variables are in play? What kind of information is being shared between the console, the supercomputer, and the scanners? What other important hardware is there?

I think we can safely assume pretty complicated. We're not talikng Windows XP software running a laptop here, after all...

[Key offline]

...And yet you did reply...

I know. That's just how kind I am.