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Postby Darkness Incarnate » Fri Jan 19, 2007 4:37 pm

Maybe this was talked about but I looked and could not find it. In S3 Ulrich's dad says how much it costs to send him to school. But in S2 Aelita just starts going there but where does she get the money?
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Postby *Star* Gazer » Fri Jan 19, 2007 4:40 pm

Ya know good question....
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Postby YDV » Fri Jan 19, 2007 4:42 pm

Err.........

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Well. xD:;; That is a good question. Remember how back in S1 their plan was to have her stay at Yumi's? Maybe she got her parents to pay for it. I doubt it, though. Maybe Jeremie's dad? o___O
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Postby Darkborn » Fri Jan 19, 2007 4:44 pm

...Maybe they don't pay...

Jeremie made bootleg copies of her info to give to the school. They proboly bypassed the whole payment thing.
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Postby TB3 » Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:05 pm

Nice point - I think Jeremie probably performed a fair bit of hacking to get round these issues.

Here's another plothole concerning Aelita.

In 'Common Interest' she had several heart attacks which would cause severe damage to her heart tissue, shortening her lifespan. However, due to the way the Materialisation program works, once she'd gone into and returned from Lyoko, that damage would have been healed.

The punchline is, without a RTTP, how did they explain away Aelita's abduction from the hospital and the miraculous recovery of her heart to the doctors later?
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Postby Taelia » Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:20 pm

That's a good question.
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Postby Sithking Zero » Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:24 pm

That very same problem is in the episode where Sissi gets possessed by Franz Hopper. At the very least, her abduction from the hospital should have been explained, not to mention that nobody comments on how weird she was acting.
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Postby YDV » Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:35 pm

Yeah. xD; I find that darkly amusing. Aelita's been clinically dead like 5 times.
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Postby Reesane » Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:45 pm

Here's my question:

Don't you think they would have suspected somthing was up by now, because Aelita has naturaly pink hair? (Is this even posible?!)
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Postby TB3 » Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:13 pm

Reesane wrote:Here's my question:

Don't you think they would have suspected somthing was up by now, because Aelita has naturaly pink hair? (Is this even posible?!)


The subject of Aelita, her mother (and to a lesser extend, Odd's) hair colours is contentious - for all we know, they could all be hairdyes.
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Postby Grand_Commander13 » Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:01 pm

The only plot hole I need is XANA's supposed intelligence, yet seeming inability to terminate the main characters even when he is 100% able. Given how frequently he is able to gain the upper hand on the characters, one would think five seconds to finish off an incapacitated hero would be more valuable than five more seconds fiddling with Lyoko.

I can just imagine XANA's agent talking to him right now. "Yeah XANA, I know the kids aren't that smart, but if you kill them, you'll be an unemployed world-destroying electronic sentience. And it's just so hard to be afraid of a computer program that has to dig through random computer's recycling bins to put bytes in its mouth." ("You like being feared by your peers, don't you?")

And on the subject of Aelita's hair color: I always just assumed that pink was a natural hair color in CL. America has been relocated to France, after all. :*D
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Postby TL. » Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:07 pm

Sithking Zero wrote:That very same problem is in the episode where Sissi gets possessed by Franz Hopper. At the very least, her abduction from the hospital should have been explained, not to mention that nobody comments on how weird she was acting.


They probably do a RTTP when we've not looking. Same production cost and time. MS is under contract to fill a 30 minute slot (inculding adverts)
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Postby Chiquita » Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:37 pm

Hasnt there been several animated shows with natural colored hair? I mean that's like, common in most shows...

as for the payment who knows, Franz could be electronicly transmitting money to the school for all we know. (Or maybe Ai's mom isn't dead after all)
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Postby Sithking Zero » Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:47 pm

Yeah, Anime shows do that a lot. You see all sorts of hair: look at Pokemon, with Jesse and James. How often do you see genuine Blue and Red hair? Or Yu-gi-Oh? And before you ask, yes, I know that these shows are pretty bad (in english). But my point remains the same.
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Postby TB3 » Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:06 pm

CL however has always been set in reality, except Franz had really l33t tech - hence why the hair seems so strange.

I personally hold to the 'dye' theory, but then again, to each his own :)
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Postby Reesane » Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:22 pm

I personaly think that it's realy a combenation of dye + scaners= unusual hair color, but that's just me...
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Postby Sithking Zero » Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:40 am

I like the concept that that's Aelita's natural hair color. It kinda symbolizes her as unique, and almost alone in her destiny, which helps emphisizes her want for human relationships and emotions, and the color represents purity and innocence. So the hair, in my opinion, is symbolic.
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Postby Cassius335 » Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:00 am

TB3 wrote:Nice point - I think Jeremie probably performed a fair bit of hacking to get round these issues.

Here's another plothole concerning Aelita.

In 'Common Interest' she had several heart attacks which would cause severe damage to her heart tissue, shortening her lifespan. However, due to the way the Materialisation program works, once she'd gone into and returned from Lyoko, that damage would have been healed.

The punchline is, without a RTTP, how did they explain away Aelita's abduction from the hospital and the miraculous recovery of her heart to the doctors later?


In the same universe where (according to LTT theory) people can die from Quantum Echoes From The Redundant Timeline, it wouldn't surprise me if Aelita WASN'T completely healed. We can't be certain how good the scanners are at healing.

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Postby TB3 » Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:48 am

Cassius335 wrote:In the same universe where (according to LTT theory) people can die from Quantum Echoes From The Redundant Timeline, it wouldn't surprise me if Aelita WASN'T completely healed. We can't be certain how good the scanners are at healing.

Can we?


It depends.

During Season 2, Aelita could only exit Lyoko through the Materialisation program. The difference between this and the Rematt program is that every time Aelita entered Lyoko, her biolgical scan data (but not her non-bio data, i.e clothing) was lost. Everytime she left Lyoko Jeremie had to build her a new body from the ground up using the Materialisation program, and I doubt the cardiac damage would be included in the data he had to build her (basically her Avatar and a few Vdna fragments).

In the case of the other kids, we have a fairly sure bet that the scanners store the data from their last scan as a redundancy - thus how Jeremie's ankle healed in one night between 'Code Earth' and 'False Start'. Therefore if one of the kids is injured, we can just load them into a scanner, virtualise them, and then merge their up-to-date mental scan with the redundancy file to bring them back out, seemingly good as new.

This might also explain not only Jeremie's ankle but how Odd seemed recovered from his Hypothermia after a breif jaunt through the scanners in 'Cold War'.
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Postby Cassius335 » Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:23 pm

TB3 wrote:During Season 2, Aelita could only exit Lyoko through the Materialisation program. The difference between this and the Rematt program is that every time Aelita entered Lyoko, her biolgical scan data (but not her non-bio data, i.e clothing) was lost. Everytime she left Lyoko Jeremie had to build her a new body from the ground up using the Materialisation program, and I doubt the cardiac damage would be included in the data he had to build her (basically her Avatar and a few Vdna fragments).


Hang on. Why would a system just lose bio-data like that? It soundslike the last thing you'd want such a system to do...

...unless you weren't planning on Aelita returning to Earth. Damn! Maybe we've been wrong all this time and Franz was the one who damaged Aelita's avatar...

TB3 wrote:In the case of the other kids, we have a fairly sure bet that the scanners store the data from their last scan as a redundancy - thus how Jeremie's ankle healed in one night between 'Code Earth' and 'False Start'. Therefore if one of the kids is injured, we can just load them into a scanner, virtualise them, and then merge their up-to-date mental scan with the redundancy file to bring them back out, seemingly good as new.

This might also explain not only Jeremie's ankle but how Odd seemed recovered from his Hypothermia after a breif jaunt through the scanners in 'Cold War'.


Hmm. Wonder who virtualised Jeremie then. Or maybe he just heals fast?
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Postby *Star* Gazer » Sat Jan 20, 2007 5:11 pm

Cassius335 wrote:...unless you weren't planning on Aelita returning to Earth. Damn! Maybe we've been wrong all this time and Franz was the one who damaged Aelita's avatar...


Very interesting...but that's tough love isn't it?
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Postby Grand_Commander13 » Sat Jan 20, 2007 10:27 pm

I just hinged on another one of the larger plot holes:

In season three, XANA either does not need Lyoko to launch attacks anymore, and should therefore only use it to launch attacks when he wants the superscan to alert the group and draw them to Lyoko; or he DOES need it, and shouldn't be trying to destroy it.
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Postby Tom Bone » Sat Jan 20, 2007 10:50 pm

Darkborn wrote:...Maybe they don't pay...

Jeremie made bootleg copies of her info to give to the school. They proboly bypassed the whole payment thing.


That's what I thought. I thought it was implied so I didn't bring it up. But this still raises a good point.
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Postby Cassius335 » Sat Jan 20, 2007 10:58 pm

Grand_Commander13 wrote:I just hinged on another one of the larger plot holes:

In season three, XANA either does not need Lyoko to launch attacks anymore, and should therefore only use it to launch attacks when he wants the superscan to alert the group and draw them to Lyoko; or he DOES need it, and shouldn't be trying to destroy it.


I bet each Replika has a Tower....
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Postby Grand_Commander13 » Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:36 pm

Cassius335 wrote:I bet each Replika has a Tower....
Most likely. I haven't been doing much of the season four previewing (I don't want to accidentally hit any plot points), but I'm still doubtful that XANA was fully aware that Lyoko wouldn't be completely lost after he destroyed the core.
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