Why can't people be brought back from the dead by an RTTP?

[TheAppleFreak]

Asides from the matter of having uber-enlarged foreheads, the question of why a person cannot be brought back to life by an RTTP has been bugging me. Can anyone shed some light on this?

[Sithking Zero offline]

Jeez... maybe we should have a "Sticky thread" of commonly asked CL Questions and Answers at the top of this section of the forums.

Okay, to answer, it has something do with digital replications and cubits and other things. I don't know.

Once this is answered, could someone lock this? And use the search function in the future. I'm pretty sure we already have this topic somewhere.

[Andy Waltfeld offline]

Because it's a kid's show and people aren't allowed to die unless a sufficient amount of drama is allocated.

[ccbtimewiz offline]

Jeez... maybe we should have a "Sticky thread" of commonly asked CL Questions and Answers at the top of this section of the forums.

Okay, to answer, it has something do with digital replications and cubits and other things. I don't know.

Once this is answered, could someone lock this? And use the search function in the future. I'm pretty sure we already have this topic somewhere.

:/

There could be thousands of answers to this question.

My theory is that if the human no longer lives-- returning back to the past can't return the physical manifestation of the human back.

[TheAppleFreak]

hmm...
this is a tough question. Perhaps what was said about the kids show and no one dying...
that sounds viable for an explanation.
Still, it can't be the only reason.

[SilverPrince offline]

Well, the main answer would be that it's a plot device. If the dead could be brought back to life by returning to the past, then the Lyoko Warriors wouldn't have to be so stressed about defeating XANA. Example:

Oh, Posessed Jim killed Mrs. Hertz and half of her class? Oh well. We'll just bring them back with the RTTP after the mission. No rush, you guys.

And, as Andy Waltfeld and TheAppleFreak said, people rarely die in kids' shows.

If you want an answer besides "lulz, plot device", my guess is that the RTTP doesn't "rewind" time- it brings all the people back in time. If you a send a dead body back through time, they are still going to come out dead. I can't explain it well, I'm no quantum physicist.

Perhaps a metaphor. Time is not a video casette, you can't simply rewind it. Think of time like a highway- a sort of Temporal Autobahn. We are all the cars on the Temporal Autobahn, and the RTTP works by moving the cars back to the point on the highway they were at when XANA attacked. If there was a dead person at mile marker 422, and the RTTP sends them back to mile marker 410, they're still dead when they get there.

However, if time were like a video casette, everything would get rewound and none of the XANA attack would have happened. In the Temporal Autobahn theory, the XANA attack did happen, but everyone just went back to start over again, and only the Lyoko Warriors remember.

Okay. Theory over. I apologize to any scientists who may have had the misfortune to read that.

[Sithking Zero offline]

That actually made more sense than all of the LTT threads combined.

[Andy Waltfeld offline]

As long as we're using the Temporal Autobahn analogy, what effect does traveling 12 extra miles (MM410 to MM422 twice) have on traffic? Gas mileage? Delays?

Do the events of June 6, 1994 count as rubbernecking?

[TheAppleFreak]

As long as we're using the Temporal Autobahn analogy, what effect does traveling 12 extra miles (MM410 to MM422 twice) have on traffic? Gas mileage? Delays?

Do the events of June 6, 1994 count as rubbernecking?

Huh?
But as said above, the answer about it putting more stress on the group does make sense. Thanks!

[Tangent128 offline]

One proposed LTT explanation actually was basically that.

[TheLQ offline]

Actually, thier have been several episodes in S1, where they DID die, but the RTTP brought them back. Thier was one where the elevator somehow flooded, Sissy and Ulrich were there (Ulrich had a broken arm). They ran out of air, then slowly sank to the floor, were ON the floor, then the RTTP bubble thingamagig got to them.

But also, its a kid show. If in a popular show (naruto or avatar comes to mind) one of the main characters died permantly, then all the kiddies would start crying becase poor ang or naruto died and is never coming back.

[Andy Waltfeld offline]

Actually, thier have been several episodes in S1, where they DID die, but the RTTP brought them back. Thier was one where the elevator somehow flooded, Sissy and Ulrich were there (Ulrich had a broken arm). They ran out of air, then slowly sank to the floor, were ON the floor, then the RTTP bubble thingamagig got to them.

Just 'cause you've started taking in water doesn't mean instant respiratory shutdown. Maybe in another minute and a half, they'd have died, but there's a narrow window between loss of respiratory resources and complete waterlogging.

[emoBillâ„¢ offline]

True, Andy. They hadn't died yet. It takes a while for your lungs to burst and *in computer voice* ALL SYSTEMS TO SHUT DOWN.

About the death:

Once a soul has exited the body (if you believe in that stuff), there is no way for it to return back to the body. The soul is exempt from all physical restrictions and goes either to heaven or hell. You cannot bring the soul back just by rewinding time...it is now a supernatural force and is not restricted to what a normal person would do.

^^

What-ever.

Yeah, gas piling up would suck. But considering how all the vehicles are back where they were when the RTTP stops, I would assume that vehicles are affected by time and the gas goes back to what it was.

If that's not true, it would suck.

[HiddenWatcher offline]

I think he meant in in an extended metaphor sort of way.

The whole temporal autobahn thing actually fits a lot of theories by Steven Hawking.

[Saphire-089 offline]

I have something somewhat related to this topic. If dead people aren't brought back to life, then does the same hold true for things like broken arms? Probably not, but I'd just like to confirm that.

[Andy Waltfeld offline]

As long as the tissue in question doesn't get disconnected from the body (becoming dead in the process), RTTP seems to heal pretty much anything. Also, Kid's Show Rule is invoked regarding dismemberments.

[TB3]

Yo guys

Well, lol - this is an old debate

My personal theory is that yes, the RTTP resets time, but it's neither the Temporal Autobahn or the Temporal Cassette-Tape (which are both elegant metaphors btw) - it's the Temporal Traffic-Signal, in that instead of moving the cars on the autobahn to prevent a collision, it sends a signal into the past to set the traffic lights on the Autobahn to red, preventing the accident before it occurs.

i.e. it doesn't physically move people around, but it uses the supercomputer to stream data to itself in the past (as we said in LTT and passed by the director of CL, using tachyons) - thus the explanation of the soul leaving the body doesn't work.

If you've ever seen Back to the Future, it would be like if Marty's dad was dead in 1985 because Biff Tannen shot him in an alternate timeline in 1976 - it doesn't make sense for the father to be dead simply because those events now never happened.

Likewise a fatal situation in CL should not result in death because those events have not occured - basic theoretical 4-D physics.

However, we have established that events in a previous timeline can leave 'afterimages' on the new-one, and these can manifest in different ways (like William's residual memories) - however, the effect of dying leaves such a profound after-image that it can still kill the person in question - like sound-waves cancelling each other out.

If the person was killed at 10.17am by (say) XANA's teddybear crushing them, then at 10.17am after the RTTP they'd just collapse dead.

However, I believe there is a theoretical means of escaping this - virtualise the person to Lyoko, where physical laws no longer apply.

Like I said, that's just my opinion, but it is one that I postulated to the CL Guru himself, which he approved of (shrug) - hope I don't sound like an arrogant (unprintable word) there