Abortion:Should It, Or Should It Not Be Outlawed?

[matsumo itsu offline]

Okay, guys...just as a formality, since this is a highly controversial and touchy subject, I'm going to ask in advance that you keep this professional and clean.

You're free to debate, but out and out arguing, put downs, and/or insults directed towards a person or their beliefs will get this topic (and any similar threads after it) locked.

Just so you know guys, okay? Keep it cool.

yeah this is gettin pretty close to bko material and sorta off topic.actul yeah off topice.i think abortion is wrong and yes i think it should be banned or outlawed.

[Gauntlet offline]

Okay, guys...just as a formality, since this is a highly controversial and touchy subject, I'm going to ask in advance that you keep this professional and clean.

You're free to debate, but out and out arguing, put downs, and/or insults directed towards a person or their beliefs will get this topic (and any similar threads after it) locked.

Just so you know guys, okay? Keep it cool.

yeah this is gettin pretty close to bko material and sorta off topic.actul yeah off topice.i think abortion is wrong and yes i think it should be banned or outlawed.

I think we're doing alright. This is a common issue that people read and see everyday, and something that some people have dealt with personally (not always physically, but someone close has), and we're on-topic. When people start insulting each other and their beliefs and disregarding the emotion and pain of others, that's when it should be locked.

We're fine right now, however, this is the administrators' and moderator's choices at this point.

[Mewberries151]

Okay, guys...just as a formality, since this is a highly controversial and touchy subject, I'm going to ask in advance that you keep this professional and clean.

You're free to debate, but out and out arguing, put downs, and/or insults directed towards a person or their beliefs will get this topic (and any similar threads after it) locked.

Just so you know guys, okay? Keep it cool.

yeah this is gettin pretty close to bko material and sorta off topic.actul yeah off topice.i think abortion is wrong and yes i think it should be banned or outlawed.

I think we're doing alright. This is a common issue that people read and see everyday, and something that some people have dealt with personally (not always physically, but someone close has), and we're on-topic. When people start insulting each other and their beliefs and disregarding the emotion and pain of others, that's when it should be locked.

We're fine right now, however, this is the administrators' and moderator's choices at this point.

You're alright still, I think. ^^

Just keep it as on-topic as possible, and polite. I know this is a firey topic, but out and out fighting is against the rules (as is name-calling, put-downs, etc.).

I know you guys are responsible intellectuals. Debate away. ^_^

[HereticalRebel offline]

NO to abortion! heck your killing a child.. someone who hasn't even seen the outside world!!!

[Mewberries151]

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[JesusFreak offline]

Do you even know how abortions are carried out? I had to learn for my biology report and It still almost brings me to tears. Abortion is Infanticide, plain and simple. An embryo is a human being, not a clump of tissue. Did you know by eight weeks, a baby has all of his or her major organs established, and by twelve weeks, all organs are being created? How can one say that a n unborn baby isn't a human? nowadays we cover it up by calling it a fetus, but a baby is ababy is a baby.
If it's a woman's choice because it's her own baby, then why can't she, uh, Let herself be hired for an, uh, escort service? It's her body after all, isn't it? And if she can't care for it, why can't she, er, deal with it after the birth, like up to 6
months?

Whats wrong with the current compromise? You can get a full abortion in teh 1st trimaster, it's by doctor's discreation in the 2nd trimaster, and by the 3rd one you can't. Now if you ask me that seems to value the rights of the woman's body and the unborn's right to life.

That being said, I'm an agnostic boy. So it's neither my fight for it, nor against it.

Three words: Partial. Birth. Abortion.

[. offline]

Do you even know how abortions are carried out? I had to learn for my biology report and It still almost brings me to tears. Abortion is Infanticide, plain and simple. An embryo is a human being, not a clump of tissue. Did you know by eight weeks, a baby has all of his or her major organs established, and by twelve weeks, all organs are being created? How can one say that a n unborn baby isn't a human? nowadays we cover it up by calling it a fetus, but a baby is ababy is a baby.
If it's a woman's choice because it's her own baby, then why can't she, uh, Let herself be hired for an, uh, escort service? It's her body after all, isn't it? And if she can't care for it, why can't she, er, deal with it after the birth, like up to 6
months?

Whats wrong with the current compromise? You can get a full abortion in teh 1st trimaster, it's by doctor's discreation in the 2nd trimaster, and by the 3rd one you can't. Now if you ask me that seems to value the rights of the woman's body and the unborn's right to life.

That being said, I'm an agnostic boy. So it's neither my fight for it, nor against it.

Three words: Partial. Birth. Abortion.

More Words Than You: Not only do you have to respect the unborn childs right to live, but the mothers right over her own body.

And I believe that first 8 weeks is the first trimaster... meaning it hasn't formed it's brain yet, which means there can't be a possibility of it "knowing it's own existence". Like pulling the plug on a brain dead person.

[knifey offline]

And I believe that first 8 weeks is the first trimaster... meaning it hasn't formed it's brain yet, which means there can't be a possibility of it "knowing it's own existence". Like pulling the plug on a brain dead person.

Agreed. But there are people who believe that it's a child the moment of conception. Though that means that people can't achieve orgasm unless they have the intention of making a child, isn't it?

[JesusFreak offline]

Well, It all comes with a biblical worldview. The act of procreation is something that GOd meant to be used between a Husband and a wife, not a boyfriend and a Girlfriend,

[. offline]

Yes but where all horrible people filled with sin so the idea of a bf/gf not having sex ain't happening... Unless we want a law against that too.

[JesusFreak offline]

Actually, there is a law somewhere that people aren't allowed to have sex until they're 25 or married, but that's not the point.

And I believe that first 8 weeks is the first trimaster... meaning it hasn't formed it's brain yet, which means there can't be a possibility of it "knowing it's own existence". Like pulling the plug on a brain dead person

At eight weeks, the brain is formed, and the nervous system can experience pain. Ever heard of Saline abortion?

[Tangent128 offline]

It's not an issue of pain to me. It's a simple issue of species. A fetus is conceived from two humans (maybe one if you did that whole cloning thing), therefore elementary genetics say that it is a human too. Thus, killing it is an act of murder.

That said, I think a lot of pro-lifers tend to forget about life after birth. I do think that the government needs to do more to help (especially single) parents support their children. (Am I a liberal or a conservative? ...)

[JesusFreak offline]

Prolly an independant, and that can be a good thing an d a bad thing.

Cloning of Humans is a different issue, like stem-cell research, so i'm not going to say my views on that for now, but I agree with Tangent (big surprise, eh?). An unborn bayb is NOT a mass of fles an dtisue, NOT a parasitic organism, it is a human Being.

[. offline]

Prolly an independant, and that can be a good thing an d a bad thing.

Cloning of Humans is a different issue, like stem-cell research, so i'm not going to say my views on that for now, but I agree with Tangent (big surprise, eh?). An unborn bayb is NOT a mass of fles an dtisue, NOT a parasitic organism, it is a human Being.

Do it before 8 weeks then when it is just a hunk of flesh/parasitic organism then

[JesusFreak offline]

Prolly an independant, and that can be a good thing an d a bad thing.

Cloning of Humans is a different issue, like stem-cell research, so i'm not going to say my views on that for now, but I agree with Tangent (big surprise, eh?). An unborn bayb is NOT a mass of fles an dtisue, NOT a parasitic organism, it is a human Being.

Do it before 8 weeks then when it is just a hunk of flesh/parasitic organism then

I never said at ANY age it has a hunk of flsh or a parasitic organism.

[. offline]

Prolly an independant, and that can be a good thing an d a bad thing.

Cloning of Humans is a different issue, like stem-cell research, so i'm not going to say my views on that for now, but I agree with Tangent (big surprise, eh?). An unborn bayb is NOT a mass of fles an dtisue, NOT a parasitic organism, it is a human Being.

Do it before 8 weeks then when it is just a hunk of flesh/parasitic organism then

I never said at ANY age it has a hunk of flsh or a parasitic organism.

I'm saying it is. No brain = Not Human

[Kamekai offline]

Prolly an independant, and that can be a good thing an d a bad thing.

Cloning of Humans is a different issue, like stem-cell research, so i'm not going to say my views on that for now, but I agree with Tangent (big surprise, eh?). An unborn bayb is NOT a mass of fles an dtisue, NOT a parasitic organism, it is a human Being.

Do it before 8 weeks then when it is just a hunk of flesh/parasitic organism then

I never said at ANY age it has a hunk of flsh or a parasitic organism.

I'm saying it is. No brain = Not Human

He has a point. Let me elaborate: No brain = Zombie or dead

But I will slightly side with Jesus (I mean both of you, JF) in this matter. "It's a child. not a choice." (Unless as soon as it becomes fertilizied you remove it.

[JesusFreak offline]

Prolly an independant, and that can be a good thing an d a bad thing.

Cloning of Humans is a different issue, like stem-cell research, so i'm not going to say my views on that for now, but I agree with Tangent (big surprise, eh?). An unborn bayb is NOT a mass of fles an dtisue, NOT a parasitic organism, it is a human Being.

Do it before 8 weeks then when it is just a hunk of flesh/parasitic organism then

I never said at ANY age it has a hunk of flsh or a parasitic organism.

I'm saying it is. No brain = Not Human

He has a point. Let me elaborate: No brain = Zombie or dead

But I will slightly side with Jesus (I mean both of you, JF) in this matter. "It's a child. not a choice." (Unless as soon as it becomes fertilizied you remove it.

Well, the baby' brain is there, it just isn't fully developed. It doesn't just zap into exsistance.

[Tangent128 offline]

*Resists urge to quote entire discussion*

Even at the single-cell stage, I consider it human. It's certainly not a monkey, or a dog, or a mongoose, or a tulip...

[. offline]

Prolly an independant, and that can be a good thing an d a bad thing.

Cloning of Humans is a different issue, like stem-cell research, so i'm not going to say my views on that for now, but I agree with Tangent (big surprise, eh?). An unborn bayb is NOT a mass of fles an dtisue, NOT a parasitic organism, it is a human Being.

Do it before 8 weeks then when it is just a hunk of flesh/parasitic organism then

I never said at ANY age it has a hunk of flsh or a parasitic organism.

I'm saying it is. No brain = Not Human

He has a point. Let me elaborate: No brain = Zombie or dead

But I will slightly side with Jesus (I mean both of you, JF) in this matter. "It's a child. not a choice." (Unless as soon as it becomes fertilizied you remove it.

Well, the baby' brain is there, it just isn't fully developed. It doesn't just zap into exsistance.

No. It's a stem-cell. Eventually those cells will grow into the brain but before 8 weeks one cell on the human fetus is no different than any other.

Regardless, developed or not it has no brain. It has no ability to think. There for it has no soul, because the brain contains that. And as evidence to that, look at anyone whos suffers from Alheimerz and that are brain dead. They're bassically just shells, you look into their eyes and no ones home. Cause their brains are f-ed up, and THAT is what makes us human.

[JesusFreak offline]

The brain is not the seat of the soul, but that's another debate for another day. The baby WILL however, have a brain, and that's what sets it apart from an organism or blob of tissue. A "fetus" IS life, not a bodily function with the capacity for life.


And Those stem cells are still capable of feeling rudimentary pain. Saline abortion proves that. Do i Have to elaborate on that?

[. offline]

The brain is not the seat of the soul, but that's another debate for another day. The baby WILL however, have a brain, and that's what sets it apart from an organism or blob of tissue. A "fetus" IS life, not a bodily function with the capacity for life.


And Those stem cells are still capable of feeling rudimentary pain. Saline abortion proves that. Do i Have to elaborate on that?

How can you have pain when you don't have a brain yet formed?

Strictly speaking, I'm saying abortion before the 8 weeks cause quite frankly I agree that at some point it does become a human. But newsflash, pain doesn't even exist. It's created by your brain when your doing something stupid so it says to you "HEY JACK*SS! FIRE BURNS DON'T STICK YOUR HAND IN THERE AGAIN!"

But if it doesn't have a brain yet formed it can't feel pain.

[JesusFreak offline]

there's a to of debate on this issue, with some saying that fetus's can't feel pain until the third trimester, and some saying that a baby can feel pain as early as seven weeks. So, nobody really knows.

[Kamekai offline]

The brain is not the seat of the soul, but that's another debate for another day. The baby WILL however, have a brain, and that's what sets it apart from an organism or blob of tissue. A "fetus" IS life, not a bodily function with the capacity for life.


And Those stem cells are still capable of feeling rudimentary pain. Saline abortion proves that. Do i Have to elaborate on that?

Thought I'd cool things down a bit, lol. So get this. I used to dream that my soul would leave me in the form of one of those chunks of ham that appear in Tom & Jerry, but with wings. :S I'll have a picture up in a bit, let me get on GIMP.

[Kamekai offline]

The brain is not the seat of the soul, but that's another debate for another day. The baby WILL however, have a brain, and that's what sets it apart from an organism or blob of tissue. A "fetus" IS life, not a bodily function with the capacity for life.


And Those stem cells are still capable of feeling rudimentary pain. Saline abortion proves that. Do i Have to elaborate on that?

Thought I'd cool things down a bit, lol. So get this. When I was a whee little boy, I used to dream that my soul would leave me in this form:

I just made this, it took me around 5 minutes.

there's a to of debate on this issue, with some saying that fetus's can't feel pain until the third trimester, and some saying that a baby can feel pain as early as seven weeks. So, nobody really knows.

'Cept the baby.