Homosexuality

[YDV offline]

Hey, that sounds great! While we're at it, why don't we disallow marriage between White people and Black people? Everyone knows that's just <i>silly</i>.

*SARCASM*

[Mewberries151]

*sweatdrops* People...mind your manners...all of you, please. Thanks. ^^;

[JesusFreak offline]

I strongly believe that marriage is the union between a MAN and a WOMAN. God created men and women a certain way. We should believe in that way and not defile the sancitity of God's word.

You're right. The government should <I>totally</I> follow religion.

In case you're too stupid to notice, that's sarcasm.

It's not just religion, It's Morals too. And there's a difference between allowing White and Black people to get married then two guys getting married or two girls getting married.


I wasn't minding my manners?

[knifey offline]

It's not just religion, It's Morals too. And there's a difference between allowing White and Black people to get married then two guys getting married or two girls getting married.

Okay, then. Please explain how homosexuality is wrong.

[Tangent128 offline]

Well, in the Christain tradition (at least to some theologians), marriage is symbolic of the Trinity- three differents facets of one whole. The three sides in marriage being the husband, the wife, and God.

While I agree that homosexuality is wrong, I don't feel the government should get involved in marriage. Recognize common-law marriage, perhaps, but let the couple's religion determine their status, which other religions may or may not recognize.

[JesusFreak offline]

Uh, what he said.

[knifey offline]

Uh, what he said.

So you think that the government and religion be separate?

[JesusFreak offline]

Well, To a point. While I think God should be honored in our society and laws, I don't want the Church to dominate government (like being a branch of Legislation). The Government should just have a Judeo-Christian Worldview, is all.

[Sithking Zero offline]

Morally and ethically, I am for it. What's wrong with having a soul mate?

When thinking in terms of efficiency and genetics, I am opposed. Pairing should add something to the gene pool, not end a genetic line.

[. offline]

Uh, what he said.

So basically one can't tell right from wrong with out God. So you really can't explain how in anyway it's wrong with out throwing a Christianity spin in there while your at it... Uh huh <.<

[JesusFreak offline]

Uh, what he said.

So basically one can't tell right from wrong with out God. So you really can't explain how in anyway it's wrong with out throwing a Christianity spin in there while your at it... Uh huh <.<

Well, I haven't really debated anyone on this subject, so I don't have much of an argument.

[. offline]

ORLY?

I strongly believe that marriage is the union between a MAN and a WOMAN. God created men and women a certain way. We should believe in that way and not defile the sancitity of God's word.

You're right. The government should <I>totally</I> follow religion.

In case you're too stupid to notice, that's sarcasm.

It's not just religion, It's Morals too. And there's a difference between allowing White and Black people to get married then two guys getting married or two girls getting married.


I wasn't minding my manners?

[JesusFreak offline]

YA RLY. I'm just not capable of elabotating much. I'm only 14, dangit!

[Tangent128 offline]

Uh, what he said.

So you think that the government and religion be separate?

To some extent. Morals mean less if you're forced to act properly. However, the government does have to enforce some morality, or there'd be no basis for laws. Most seem to agree that murder, theft, coercion, and fraud are wrong.

Since everybody here is probably jumping between the threads anyway, I consider abortion a much more important issue. Gay marriage, even though it's wrong, never killed anyone.

[YDV offline]

I strongly believe that marriage is the union between a MAN and a WOMAN. God created men and women a certain way. We should believe in that way and not defile the sancitity of God's word.

You're right. The government should <I>totally</I> follow religion.

In case you're too stupid to notice, that's sarcasm.

It's not just religion, It's Morals too. And there's a difference between allowing White and Black people to get married then two guys getting married or two girls getting married.


I wasn't minding my manners?

Uh no. It's discrimination in its purest form. Preventing two people from being able to be protected under the law. Regardless of who people are, this is wrong. Law is not to be based on the opinions of some. It is to be written to ensure the protection of all. There is really no difference, and the oppression of blacks was/is very similar to the current oppression of LGBT, no matter how you look at it.

Even if you think something is wrong, what gives you the right to rule others' lives because of your opinions? Honestly. It's homophobia that is the culprit here. 'Ew we don't want that in our country cuz I think it's gross and the bible says so lolol so let's make it illegal cuz everyone knows every American is christian anyway.'

This is why I don't like this country, because this attitude is prevalent. <s>No wonder other countries score so much higher on tests</s>.

Religion should <i>not</i> be a part of government, because it defiles the very principles of democracy. It is impossible for one religion to cover the beliefs of all, so the doctrines of one religion should not be encoded into governmental decisions. Some may argue that it is based on basic 'morals.' While this is acceptable that there are some things that are right and wrong, a religion should not define the right and wrong for an entire nation, because again, the entire nation does not believe in the same religion. Most people believe that it is wrong to kill another human being; not all people believe that two men or women being in love is a sin. And how can you say that you are a religion based on love, when you would call love a sin?

Anyway. I'm not here to jab at Christianity. I'm here to talk about same-sex marriage. What I'm really saying is that just because you believe in certain things does not believe everyone does and it certainly gives you no right to <i>control others' lives</i> because of your beliefs.

[JesusFreak offline]

I strongly believe that marriage is the union between a MAN and a WOMAN. God created men and women a certain way. We should believe in that way and not defile the sancitity of God's word.

You're right. The government should <I>totally</I> follow religion.

In case you're too stupid to notice, that's sarcasm.

It's not just religion, It's Morals too. And there's a difference between allowing White and Black people to get married then two guys getting married or two girls getting married.


I wasn't minding my manners?

Uh no. It's discrimination in its purest form. Preventing two people from being able to be protected under the law. Regardless of who people are, this is wrong. Law is not to be based on the opinions of some. It is to be written to ensure the protection of all. There is really no difference, and the oppression of blacks was/is very similar to the current oppression of LGBT, no matter how you look at it.

Even if you think something is wrong, what gives you the right to rule others' lives because of your opinions? Honestly. It's homophobia that is the culprit here. 'Ew we don't want that in our country cuz I think it's gross and the bible says so lolol so let's make it illegal cuz everyone knows every American is christian anyway.'

This is why I don't like this country, because this attitude is prevalent. <s>No wonder other countries score so much higher on tests</s>.

Religion should <i>not</i> be a part of government, because it defiles the very principles of democracy. It is impossible for one religion to cover the beliefs of all, so the doctrines of one religion should not be encoded into governmental decisions. Some may argue that it is based on basic 'morals.' While this is acceptable that there are some things that are right and wrong, a religion should not define the right and wrong for an entire nation, because again, the entire nation does not believe in the same religion. Most people believe that it is wrong to kill another human being; not all people believe that two men or women being in love is a sin. And how can you say that you are a religion based on love, when you would call love a sin?

Anyway. I'm not here to jab at Christianity. I'm here to talk about same-sex marriage. What I'm really saying is that just because you believe in certain things does not believe everyone does and it certainly gives you no right to <i>control others' lives</i> because of your beliefs.

Just like Rome....

To some extent. Morals mean less if you're forced to act properly. However, the government does have to enforce some morality, or there'd be no basis for laws. Most seem to agree that murder, theft, coercion, and fraud are wrong.

Yeah. To further myy vauge Rome reference. look at Rome during the last years of it's Empire. The official religion was Christianity but that was basically ignored. At least that hasn't happened yet.


And Gay marriage hasn't killed anyone killed anyone except the family lines of the LGBT.

[G-Force offline]

On the whole discrimination/moral argument, I think an important question we must ask is homosexuality a choice or is it biological? If it's a choice then this is a moral issue as then the individuals have complete control of their actions and then its something that can be controlled. However if this is on a biological level then its discrimination. We can't choose our race, hight or gender so to be denied services based off of these elements is completely unfair.

[TB3]

Guys - calm down and discuss this a bit more calmly or the staff will have to take action against this thread.

As for myself, despite being a Christian I feel that equal treatment of LGBT individuals and couples, including the rights to marry and adopt children, is a desirable thing. Aside from the words of the Bible, which so many people can twist to support any number of hateful agendas, I have yet to see any evidence in my life that homosexuality is inherently wrong or even a 'choice' - many groups (often religious) that claim homosexuality is a curable condition are not endorsed by any scientific experts on the subject, and evidence shows that attempts to 'rehabilitate' homosexuals often do far more damage than good to the subjects mind, and don't change their attraction to members of the other sex, only repress those feelings to the point of being psychologically harmful.

[Kamekai offline]

On the whole discrimination/moral argument, I think an important question we must ask is homosexuality a choice or is it biological? If it's a choice then this is a moral issue as then the individuals have complete control of their actions and then its something that can be controlled. However if this is on a biological level then its discrimination. We can't choose our race, hight or gender so to be denied services based off of these elements is completely unfair.

According to research, it is biological. It has something to do with the amount of the enzyme 'Estrogen' in the bearer's body when they're having a child.

[JesusFreak offline]

Guys - calm down and discuss this a bit more calmly or the staff will have to take action against this thread.

As for myself, despite being a Christian I feel that equal treatment of LGBT individuals and couples, including the rights to marry and adopt children, is a desirable thing. Aside from the words of the Bible, which so many people can twist to support any number of hateful agendas, I have yet to see any evidence in my life that homosexuality is inherently wrong or even a 'choice' - many groups (often religious) that claim homosexuality is a curable condition are not endorsed by any scientific experts on the subject, and evidence shows that attempts to 'rehabilitate' homosexuals often do far more damage than good to the subjects mind, and don't change their attraction to members of the other sex, only repress those feelings to the point of being psychologically harmful.

Well, sir, about the children....

Evidence shows that Children are more likely to develop properly when they have both a father AND a mother. That's not to say homosexual couples aren't capable of showing lots of love to a child, but Love isn't the only thing a developing mind needs. say when the child reaches the appropriate level of maturity and the couple have to give "the talk". WHat if the child is the opposite sex of the couple? Im no child psychology expert, but won't that provoke the child to ask for answers from other sources behind the parent's back? I dunno....

[knifey offline]

Evidence shows that Children are more likely to develop properly when they have both a father AND a mother. That's not to say homosexual couples aren't capable of showing lots of love to a child, but Love isn't the only thing a developing mind needs. say when the child reaches the appropriate level of maturity and the couple have to give "the talk". WHat if the child is the opposite sex of the couple? Im no child psychology expert, but won't that provoke the child to ask for answers from other sources behind the parent's back? I dunno....

Yeah...

If that's the case, then single parents should be outlawed or morally wrong, shouldn't it?

[JesusFreak offline]

No, people should be married before intimacy and shouldn't divorce, but that's never gonna happen without Divine Providence.

[knifey offline]

No, people should be married before intimacy and shouldn't divorce, but that's never gonna happen without Divine Providence.

Yeah....

People die sometimes, too.

[YDV offline]

No, people should be married before intimacy and shouldn't divorce, but that's never gonna happen without Divine Providence.

...........Excuse me while I laugh hysterically.

Do you have any <i>idea</i> what the divorce rate looks like in America? And who are you to say that people should be forced to stay in wedlock when their relationship is terrible? There are so many factors that you ignore.

What happens if a single parent decides to adopt? According to you, they've done nothing 'wrong.' And yet somehow, they have no right to raise children? I question your line of thinking.

Evidence shows that Children are more likely to develop properly when they have both a father AND a mother. That's not to say homosexual couples aren't capable of showing lots of love to a child, but Love isn't the only thing a developing mind needs. say when the child reaches the appropriate level of maturity and the couple have to give "the talk". WHat if the child is the opposite sex of the couple? Im no child psychology expert, but won't that provoke the child to ask for answers from other sources behind the parent's back? I dunno....

......I'd like to see this 'evidence' that you so claim. Don't make reference to data if you have nothing to back it up. It's just like how most statistics-- for example, like the kind you have in your signature, are made up on the spot for emotional or other purposes.

You certainly are no child psychology expert. And if the child <i>was</i> of the opposite gender of the parents? There is plenty of information available to the general public that they can go over with their child, or perhaps they can consult a family member or friend and speak with them in a situation where the child feels comfortable. You don't always have to have 'a talk' to learn about sexuality.

Dr. Harry Harlow conducted an experiment testing the boundaries of love. He did this with baby rhesus monkeys, which have behavior patterns very similar to human babies, and found that often times the monkeys which were raised alone with no mothers (or in a certain case, visual representation of mothers) suffered detrimental effects. Now I'm not saying that children are the same as monkeys, but I think this speaks volumes about the power of love. Same-sex couples can give the exact amount, or even more, of love to a child as any heterosexual couple. And that's largely what counts.

Again, if your hypothesis is true, then why don't children who grew up in distant or single-parent environments display any particular kind of behavioral problems?

I do not mean to offend other Christians, but your opinions are shaped by your religion, and your religion is shaped by opinions. Neither have the power to do something such as to deny two people rightful and equal protection under the law, or the right to raise children. We are given legal rights by our constitution and not the Church for a reason.

[Carth]

...and I think it should be left at that.

Uh...nothing more to say...I guess...