Pull the Plug on Atheism

[JesusFreak offline]

Unless one believes that everything has always existed, in accordence with the law of conservation of energy, stating that nothing can be created or destroyed, only shifted from one form to another.

Where did that law get put into place? Or has it just exsisted forever and evar, like the magical space dust?

The law? It wasn't "Put into place," Like a "No Parking Sign," it's like the law of gravity, one of the basic rules that governs the entire universe. Even when you apply antimatter to matter, causing mutual annihilation, all that's happening is that it instantly converts matter into pure energy.

So, <s>why is it there</s> How did it get there?

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If one believes that matter cannot be created or destroyed, one would believe that matter has always been there.

Always.

So then...What was the magical space dust that created the Big Bang?

There are theories that state that Black Holes can tear the space-time continuum and create new universes that way, and other theories that after the end of the universe (the "Big Crunch) where everything collapses back together, there will be a reflection that creates a new universe.

It's possible that our universe is the latest in a long chain of universes, endlessly cycling.

So in other words, "We dunno, but it has something to do with other unexplained phenomena."

[Tangent128 offline]

Turtles all the way down?

[knifey offline]

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So then...What was the magical space dust that created the Big Bang?

[then more quotes here but my response in only relevant to what's been quoted]

I would [size=0]personally[/size] assume everything's always been the way it is, and there are changes in the universe unknown to us, because we have been unaware of any changes taking place.

Unless one believes that everything has always existed, in accordence with the law of conservation of energy, stating that nothing can be created or destroyed, only shifted from one form to another.

Where did that law get put into place? Or has it just exsisted forever and evar, like the magical space dust?

The law? It wasn't "Put into place," Like a "No Parking Sign," it's like the law of gravity, one of the basic rules that governs the entire universe. Even when you apply antimatter to matter, causing mutual annihilation, all that's happening is that it instantly converts matter into pure energy.

So, <s>why is it there</s> How did it get there?

^fixed

If one believes that matter cannot be created or destroyed, one would believe that matter has always been there.

Always.

So then...What was the magical space dust that created the Big Bang?

There are theories that state that Black Holes can tear the space-time continuum and create new universes that way, and other theories that after the end of the universe (the "Big Crunch) where everything collapses back together, there will be a reflection that creates a new universe.

It's possible that our universe is the latest in a long chain of universes, endlessly cycling.

So in other words, "We dunno, but it has something to do with other unexplained phenomena."

I would assume people who believe in the laws of conservation only believe that everything has always been here. They don't know everything about the universe, so they have not personally established anything about the universe further than the belief of everything being everlasting.
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[JesusFreak offline]

[omit quote stacking]

So then...What was the magical space dust that created the Big Bang?

[then more quotes here but my response in only relevant to what's been quoted]

I would [size=0]personally[/size] assume everything's always been the way it is, and there are changes in the universe unknown to us, because we have been unaware of any changes taking place.

That does not mean it can't happen, or didn't happen.

Unless one believes that everything has always existed, in accordence with the law of conservation of energy, stating that nothing can be created or destroyed, only shifted from one form to another.

Where did that law get put into place? Or has it just exsisted forever and evar, like the magical space dust?

The law? It wasn't "Put into place," Like a "No Parking Sign," it's like the law of gravity, one of the basic rules that governs the entire universe. Even when you apply antimatter to matter, causing mutual annihilation, all that's happening is that it instantly converts matter into pure energy.

So, <s>why is it there</s> How did it get there?

^fixed

If one believes that matter cannot be created or destroyed, one would believe that matter has always been there.

Always.

So then...What was the magical space dust that created the Big Bang?

There are theories that state that Black Holes can tear the space-time continuum and create new universes that way, and other theories that after the end of the universe (the "Big Crunch) where everything collapses back together, there will be a reflection that creates a new universe.

It's possible that our universe is the latest in a long chain of universes, endlessly cycling.

So in other words, "We dunno, but it has something to do with other unexplained phenomena."

I would assume people who believe in the laws of conservation only believe that everything has always been here. They don't know everything about the universe, so they have not personally established anything about the universe further than the belief of everything being everlasting.
[size=0]redundant post is redundant[/size]

That's not how SKZ's post looked to me. It looked like he was linking Black holes with the Timestream and Space Time continuum.

[Sithking Zero offline]

Unless one believes that everything has always existed, in accordence with the law of conservation of energy, stating that nothing can be created or destroyed, only shifted from one form to another.

Where did that law get put into place? Or has it just exsisted forever and evar, like the magical space dust?

The law? It wasn't "Put into place," Like a "No Parking Sign," it's like the law of gravity, one of the basic rules that governs the entire universe. Even when you apply antimatter to matter, causing mutual annihilation, all that's happening is that it instantly converts matter into pure energy.

So, <s>why is it there</s> How did it get there?

^fixed

If one believes that matter cannot be created or destroyed, one would believe that matter has always been there.

Always.

So then...What was the magical space dust that created the Big Bang?

There are theories that state that Black Holes can tear the space-time continuum and create new universes that way, and other theories that after the end of the universe (the "Big Crunch) where everything collapses back together, there will be a reflection that creates a new universe.

It's possible that our universe is the latest in a long chain of universes, endlessly cycling.

So in other words, "We dunno, but it has something to do with other unexplained phenomena."

Is not God him/her/it-self the ultimate Unexplained phenomena? Does not belief in god require faith, litterally the belief in something that cannot by definition be proven or disproven?

I'm not saying "God is Dead," or "There is no God." I'm open to new ideas. The thing is, you're trying to argue something that cannot be proven. These theories are only that- theories, with only higher-level math far beyond my puny mortal brain supporting these ideas.

Look, I'm not out to debate religion. That's what got the last religious thread locked, alright? The possibility of starting a flame war? I had just finished healing my own mental prejudices from the last flame war, and then this started.

Let's not fight anymore, alright? Look, I don't want to get banned, I don't want any poisonous feelings hurting the forum, let's just walk away now with the knowledge that there is no way to scientifically prove either of our points, and that we are entitled to our own opinion.

Please, do this for the forum.

[JesusFreak offline]

Is not God him/her/it-self the ultimate Unexplained phenomena? Does not belief in god require faith, litterally the belief in something that cannot by definition be proven or disproven?

I find it easier to believe that a being beyond our comprehension altered the physical and sprirtual aspect of the universe in line with its desires than to assume that a process has always been in motion before anything exsisted.

I'm not saying "God is Dead," or "There is no God." I'm open to new ideas. The thing is, you're trying to argue something that cannot be proven. These theories are only that- theories, with only higher-level math far beyond my puny mortal brain supporting these ideas.

Kay.

Look, I'm not out to debate religion.

Yes you are.

That's what got the last religious thread locked, alright? The possibility of starting a flame war?

No, it started on another thread and went from there.

I had just finished healing my own mental prejudices from the last flame war, and then this started.

Which flame war? Did I miss something?

Let's not fight anymore, alright? Look, I don't want to get banned, I don't want any poisonous feelings hurting the forum, let's just walk away now with the knowledge that there is no way to scientifically prove either of our points, and that we are entitled to our own opinion.

Please, do this for the forum.

Oi, where are you getting this sense of hostility? I thought I was succeeding in having a calm, reasoned discourse on the nature of the universe?


Then again, that's just how this stuff starts, eh?

[JesusFreak offline]

Turtles all the way down?

lolwut.

[Rho offline]

I only have one word to describe it.

Fail.





-Rho-

[JesusFreak offline]

I only have one word to describe it.

Fail.





-Rho-

Describe what?

[Tangent128 offline]

Probably the original topic.