Pull the Plug on Atheism

[Gauntlet offline]

Pull the Plug on Atheism


So... Anyone else find this to be a smear campaign? Thoughts? C'mon, I want some debate.

[ccbtimewiz offline]

We were made from nothingness and will return to nothingness.

[Gauntlet offline]

We were made from nothingness and will return to nothingness.

Stimulating argument.

[JesusFreak offline]

Can I post in this thread or will I be shot?

[matsumo itsu offline]

well looking at it as neither against nor with it, it isn't exactly good on paper either that a being no one can see,hear,feel, nothing made everything. no one has exactly proven that a god does exist.

[Gauntlet offline]

Can I post in this thread or will I be shot?

I welcome your input.

[matsumo itsu offline]

wow of course a gauntlet agreeing not to shoot someone

[JesusFreak offline]

Can I post in this thread or will I be shot?

I welcome your input.

Yippee.

Since all that thing is looks like a buncha youtube videos, this will be out of the public mind in like a month.

Kirk Cameron's in there, so it must be vaugely Christian. Kirk Cameron's okay.

As for arguments, I can only rehash what I've said on a certain thread, but I guess I'll take a shot.

well looking at it as neither against nor with it, it isn't exactly good on paper either that a being no one can see,hear,feel, nothing made everything. no one has exactly proven that a god does exist.

Is it any better that some magical space dust from nowhere blew up and created Chuck Norris?

Science, being scientific, has to observe something happening over and over in a controlled environment for it to be proven via the Scientific Method. Ya can't exactly do that with the Big Bang.

[. offline]

the both basic arguments are flawed. in both, there was nothing and then there was something...

The only thing that makes the God creating everything argument sound remotely better is the reasoning that since he can do anything, he can comprehend such non-existence.

regardless, f*cking stupid to try to abolish another religion. People have choices. Some people like to stand in the rain without an umbrella. Thats what it means to live free.

[knifey offline]

wow of course a gauntlet agreeing not to shoot someone

Whut?

People will always believe what they want to believe. That's all I have to add.

[JesusFreak offline]

the both basic arguments are flawed. in both, there was nothing and then there was something...

The only thing that makes the God creating everything argument sound remotely better is the reasoning that since he can do anything, he can comprehend such non-existence.

And, there was something before the nothing that made the nothing something, as opposed to whatever the heck they use nowadays for the other explanation for the Big Bang.

regardless, f*cking stupid to try to abolish another religion. People have choices. Some people like to stand in the rain without an umbrella. Thats what it means to live free.

They don't look like they're trying to abolish Atheism, just oppose it. That's legal too.

[Sithking Zero offline]

Unless one believes that everything has always existed, in accordence with the law of conservation of energy, stating that nothing can be created or destroyed, only shifted from one form to another.

[DeadViolet offline]

This thread confuses me.

[TheAppleFreak]

In Theo class, we're learning about the Ontological arguments about the existence of God and Aquinas's responses... Aie. This reminds me all too well about this.
There are too many fallacies in both arguments for me to comprehend.

[. offline]

the both basic arguments are flawed. in both, there was nothing and then there was something...

The only thing that makes the God creating everything argument sound remotely better is the reasoning that since he can do anything, he can comprehend such non-existence.

And, there was something before the nothing that made the nothing something, as opposed to whatever the heck they use nowadays for the other explanation for the Big Bang.

regardless, f*cking stupid to try to abolish another religion. People have choices. Some people like to stand in the rain without an umbrella. Thats what it means to live free.

They don't look like they're trying to abolish Atheism, just oppose it. That's legal too.

Both sides are constantly at war with each other kid, and neither will stop picking on the other until one of them is dead.

Which is ironic, considering the argument is all about what happens when we die.

[JesusFreak offline]

Unless one believes that everything has always existed, in accordence with the law of conservation of energy, stating that nothing can be created or destroyed, only shifted from one form to another.

Where did that law get put into place? Or has it just exsisted forever and evar, like the magical space dust?

Both sides are constantly at war with each other kid, and neither will stop picking on the other until one of them is dead.

Which is ironic, considering the argument is all about what happens when we die.

This is true.

[JesusFreak offline]

I always have this feeling that nowadays whenever something Political or religious springs up, the GD becomes the equivalent of that cantina from the Three Amigos, with everyone rushing away.

[TheLQ offline]

I have no problem with atheists. At least in the US, people have the right to belive in whatever they want. Trying to abolish a religion reminds me of Hitler and genocide.

This is my veiw on anything. People can be gay, just don't try to come on me. People can belive in ghosts, just don't attempt to make me belive in them (Personally, i think people that belives in ghosts need to get some phyciatric help and people that charge $ for ghost removal should be arrested for fraud and false advertising).

With atheism, i don't particularly care. Some people belive in a higher being, and some don't. This applies to almost everything. Deal with it.

[TheAppleFreak]

I personally believe in God, and to those who don't, you might want to check out Pascal's Wager. Although it doesn't explain God's existence, it does give a good reason to believe in a God (not God, but any God).

[knifey offline]

Unless one believes that everything has always existed, in accordence with the law of conservation of energy, stating that nothing can be created or destroyed, only shifted from one form to another.

Where did that law get put into place? Or has it just exsisted forever and evar, like the magical space dust?


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Has that law been disproved? I am curious to know. [size=0]for the record that's not sarcasm[/size]

[Sithking Zero offline]

Unless one believes that everything has always existed, in accordence with the law of conservation of energy, stating that nothing can be created or destroyed, only shifted from one form to another.

Where did that law get put into place? Or has it just exsisted forever and evar, like the magical space dust?

The law? It wasn't "Put into place," Like a "No Parking Sign," it's like the law of gravity, one of the basic rules that governs the entire universe. Even when you apply antimatter to matter, causing mutual annihilation, all that's happening is that it instantly converts matter into pure energy.

[JesusFreak offline]

Unless one believes that everything has always existed, in accordence with the law of conservation of energy, stating that nothing can be created or destroyed, only shifted from one form to another.

Where did that law get put into place? Or has it just exsisted forever and evar, like the magical space dust?

The law? It wasn't "Put into place," Like a "No Parking Sign," it's like the law of gravity, one of the basic rules that governs the entire universe. Even when you apply antimatter to matter, causing mutual annihilation, all that's happening is that it instantly converts matter into pure energy.

So, <s>why is it there</s> How did it get there?

^fixed

[knifey offline]

Unless one believes that everything has always existed, in accordence with the law of conservation of energy, stating that nothing can be created or destroyed, only shifted from one form to another.

Where did that law get put into place? Or has it just exsisted forever and evar, like the magical space dust?

The law? It wasn't "Put into place," Like a "No Parking Sign," it's like the law of gravity, one of the basic rules that governs the entire universe. Even when you apply antimatter to matter, causing mutual annihilation, all that's happening is that it instantly converts matter into pure energy.

So, <s>why is it there</s> How did it get there?

^fixed

If one believes that matter cannot be created or destroyed, one would believe that matter has always been there.

Always.

[JesusFreak offline]

Unless one believes that everything has always existed, in accordence with the law of conservation of energy, stating that nothing can be created or destroyed, only shifted from one form to another.

Where did that law get put into place? Or has it just exsisted forever and evar, like the magical space dust?

The law? It wasn't "Put into place," Like a "No Parking Sign," it's like the law of gravity, one of the basic rules that governs the entire universe. Even when you apply antimatter to matter, causing mutual annihilation, all that's happening is that it instantly converts matter into pure energy.

So, <s>why is it there</s> How did it get there?

^fixed

If one believes that matter cannot be created or destroyed, one would believe that matter has always been there.

Always.

So then...What was the magical space dust that created the Big Bang?

[Sithking Zero offline]

Unless one believes that everything has always existed, in accordence with the law of conservation of energy, stating that nothing can be created or destroyed, only shifted from one form to another.

Where did that law get put into place? Or has it just exsisted forever and evar, like the magical space dust?

The law? It wasn't "Put into place," Like a "No Parking Sign," it's like the law of gravity, one of the basic rules that governs the entire universe. Even when you apply antimatter to matter, causing mutual annihilation, all that's happening is that it instantly converts matter into pure energy.

So, <s>why is it there</s> How did it get there?

^fixed

If one believes that matter cannot be created or destroyed, one would believe that matter has always been there.

Always.

So then...What was the magical space dust that created the Big Bang?

There are theories that state that Black Holes can tear the space-time continuum and create new universes that way, and other theories that after the end of the universe (the "Big Crunch) where everything collapses back together, there will be a reflection that creates a new universe.

It's possible that our universe is the latest in a long chain of universes, endlessly cycling.