Verichip! (Warning this might include Christian veiws)

[matsumo itsu offline]

Hey everyone! Anyone ever hear of the "Verichip"? Some people believe it is the Mark of the Beast told about in the Christian bible. I believe it is, it tells that they will put it in either the palm or the forehead, and that's where they plan on putting the verichip. Another thing that makes me believe it is the Mark, is the fact that the Bible says that it will be the only way to buy or sell. Well guess what! With the verichip they plan on switching all the money systems on Earth onto the verichip. The money will be called credits. The last thing that makes me believe greatly that it is, indeed the mark of the beast. The computer (There will be only one computer) is called "The Beast". So anyone want to talk about their views

Also sorry that this is GREATLY influenced toward Christian views, please try to refrain from posting if you are only going to disagree or yell at the religion.

[Jazzy Josh offline]

I am a Christian. Who is planning to switch to a implanted RFID tag for monetary transactions right now. I haven't heard of a single case yet.

I really don't think I can stand "The 700 Club" after what I've seen. They talked about the new barcode scanners that you can take with you inside stores and talking about then turning into barcodes on the forehead or right hand. That and their condemning of Haiti after the earthquake when they as Christians should be outreaching a hand and showing God's love.

My brother needs to get on the computer so I'll edit this later.

[. offline]

I'm more concerned with this concept of no physical money. F*** do we do if the power runs out?

[matsumo itsu offline]

D.T. I'm glad you are actually not keeping the christian thought in it so it's more open to everyone, they are (From what I have heard) are planning on that, they are probably going to have a bunch of back up generators running. But the computer will hold all our medical information, all our money, absolutely everything about us. Pretty much in a video I watched that explained it perfectly, the person had high cholesterol and was ordering pizza, the pizza place was able to check his medical records and added an extra amount just because of that and to try to turn him away from it. So they will know absolutely everything about you.

[green offline]

Uhhh... okay, I'm gonna have to ask for links here. This still sounds a bit too science fiction to be real, but I could be wrong :/

[matsumo itsu offline]

http://www.positiveidcorp.com/index.html

and if you really want something but don't care about how authentic or how authentic it may NOT be, wikipedia.org

[Lyoko Wario offline]

First of all, I do not see that catching on. Ever.

Secondly, people are frightened by new technology all the time. They're just tying it in to some old hoodoo to make it seem scarier and / or less desirable.

[TheLQ offline]

Well if one takes religion out of it, it does actually sound pretty cool. No more forgetting your wallet, no more passing out on the street and no one knowing if your allergic to medicine X, or for that matter horrible medical record systems. I'm a proponent of centralization, and this does sound like it would be the future.

[. offline]

First of all, I do not see that catching on. Ever.

Secondly, people are frightened by new technology all the time. They're just tying it in to some old hoodoo to make it seem scarier and / or less desirable.

I, Robot
Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep?
I Have No Mouth and I must scream
THE FREAKING MATRIX and the GOD DAMN TERMINATOR TRILOGIES!!!!

[Mewberries151]

I'm guessing the same people claiming this is the "Mark" aren't all down with microchipping your pets? Because basically, it's the same concept.

...Doesn't anyone watch Mythbusters? Seriously, the episode where they talk about implanted chips was just on Discovery this week and most of the rumors surrounding these things are waaay overblown.

I think that's fine if people would like to choose not to have a chip implanted on religious grounds because that's their freedom to choose, but I don't think it's cool to shoot the idea down for everyone.

[matsumo itsu offline]

Actually I do not believe our pets are "chipped"

[Tangent128 offline]

Umm... the chip being peddled there is not linked to any government programs, and certainly not linked to financial payment. There is no computer called "The Beast" I'm aware of, and throwing everything on one computer is a ridiculously stupid idea to start with.

Even then, an implanted chip for payment has plenty of practical issues- how do you select which credit card or checking account to use? How are children with neither credit or checking accounts supposed to buy anything? How do you do any business where a network connection or even a computer is unavailable?

I'm a big proponent of decentralization; it's much safer and more reliable.

All that said, I don't intend to get any mark-like chips. Probably not any chips, for that matter.

[green offline]

Umm... the chip being peddled there is not linked to any government programs, and certainly not linked to financial payment. There is no computer called "The Beast" I'm aware of, and throwing everything on one computer is a ridiculously stupid idea to start with.

Even then, an implanted chip for payment has plenty of practical issues- how do you select which credit card or checking account to use? How are children with neither credit or checking accounts supposed to buy anything? How do you do any business where a network connection or even a computer is unavailable?

I'm a big proponent of decentralization; it's much safer and more reliable.

All that said, I don't intend to get any mark-like chips. Probably not any chips, for that matter.

Tangent beat me to it. I couldn't find much of anything in the OP on that site.

[matsumo itsu offline]

http://inpursuitofhappiness.wordpress.c ... n-belgium/

[TheLQ offline]

http://inpursuitofhappiness.wordpress.com/2007/08/10/the-beastcomputer-in-belgium/

I think we meant "credible source". Someone's personal blog linking to fundamentalist sites like this: http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/creator/markbeast.htm are not whats called credible sources.

EDIT:

And saying stuff like this:

( C.A.C. Ed’s note to the members: Members are reminded that those who use money for power, control and manipulation were programmed by occult forces back in Atlantis to bring about the One World slave state. These entities behind the scenes today, and many wealthy and powerful entities who support them are, according to Awareness, totally unaware of this programming and are themselves, victims of this occult programming. See our Master file)

Whats funny is the comments. The important one's:

As many have already stated, this is the fabrication of a fictional book… not fact (yet). Common sense will also tell you that:

1. A computer to track everybody on Earth would not need to be 3-stories tall. You would only need a fraction of that space to do this task. That includes redundant servers and backup storage farms. There are no 3-story computers out there.

2. A self-programming computer? AI (artificial intelligence) has yet to be achieved. While technologies in this field are making astounding advances, as of yet, we do not have computers that can program themselves.

Get the facts before you post. The end times are near. But spreading fear and fiction will not make our Lord come back any faster. All in His time.

Computers=end time stories have been around since before this millennium. Yes, it makes some sense, and there is ample evidence on both ends of the spectrum, but is that what really matters? Some of you said that the beast=other religions. This isn’t necessarily true. It could be many things, Revelation is very ambiguous about the Beast, but that’s not important. What’s coming will come, and we’ll face it when it does, but until then, all we can do is this: keep on the lookout for Satan’s deceptions, regardless of their nature, and to know where we stand. Though very few would say they’re on Satan’s side, this doesn’t mean they are on God’s side. Know where you stand, so that when the time comes, you’re ready. Fellow Christians, listen to me; as for seekers, doubters, and atheists, read the Bible, you’d be surprised at what you find, because even if the stories aren’t true (though I firmly believe they are) the morals are truer than those of Aesop’s Fables.

1 Thessalonians 5:1-3
Mark 13: 32-37

Be ready…
God bless,
His servant: me

[quote=""]This isn’t even good fiction.

The Beast of Belgium is a fabrication in author Joe Musser’s book “Beyond a Pale Horseâ€

[Mewberries151]

Actually I do not believe our pets are "chipped"

What do you mean, you don't believe our pets are "chipped"? Pets are micro-chipped all the time. It's just one of the many ways, in addition to a collar and ID tags, that you can help insure your pet is returned to you if it is lost or stolen. My cat is microchipped for just that exact reason, in the event her break-away collar is lost with her tags.

[Lyoko Wario offline]

First of all, I do not see that catching on. Ever.

Secondly, people are frightened by new technology all the time. They're just tying it in to some old hoodoo to make it seem scarier and / or less desirable.

I, Robot
Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep?
I Have No Mouth and I must scream
THE FREAKING MATRIX and the GOD DAMN TERMINATOR TRILOGIES!!!!

I want to reply to that, but I'm not sure of what you're trying to get across...

[Jazzy Josh offline]

I'm guessing the same people claiming this is the "Mark" aren't all down with microchipping your pets? Because basically, it's the same concept.

...Doesn't anyone watch Mythbusters? Seriously, the episode where they talk about implanted chips was just on Discovery this week and most of the rumors surrounding these things are waaay overblown.

I think that's fine if people would like to choose not to have a chip implanted on religious grounds because that's their freedom to choose, but I don't think it's cool to shoot the idea down for everyone.

+1

And in reply to lord quackstar, I don't believe in 2012, 6/6/06 or anything like that because of Matthew 24:36

[green offline]

I'm guessing the same people claiming this is the "Mark" aren't all down with microchipping your pets? Because basically, it's the same concept.

...Doesn't anyone watch Mythbusters? Seriously, the episode where they talk about implanted chips was just on Discovery this week and most of the rumors surrounding these things are waaay overblown.

I think that's fine if people would like to choose not to have a chip implanted on religious grounds because that's their freedom to choose, but I don't think it's cool to shoot the idea down for everyone.

+1

And in reply to lord quackstar, I don't believe in 2012, 6/6/06 or anything like that because of Matthew 24:36

+2

[Gadget offline]

Is it the mark of the devil, Well I am a Christian but I don’t believe so. I mean lets face facts, We are already using paperless money as it is. Will I be getting it, NO but for a different reason.

I’m more worried about how insecure RFID is. RFID is great technology don’t get me wrong. But it’s easy to intercept. At least with credit/debit cards if you want to steal it, you have to get a hold of the card number somehow. Anyone can buy a RFID receiver on eBay, and you can get ones with very good range. In fact I have a friend who modified a microwave wireless receiver to pick up his dogs RFID implant.

So anyone could get a laptop, put 2 receivers on the side of there car and drive down the street and wala, instant info. Now the information they get wont be a Credit card number or a SSN, but will be a ID number with I think about 16 digits. And then they could use a hand held transmitter (also easy and cheap to get) and walk in somewhere, Just get what you want, transmit that number and you have just charged that person for a new anything. There I just spelled out how to easily steal someone’s identity if they where using a RFID as a way to pay for things. (If I don’t respond to messages for a few weeks it means the FBI has me)

RFID is a insecure none encrypted type of technology. In fact the Verichip says that it has no way to tell who is reading it. And even when they make it encrypted someone can simply use a method similar to packet sniffing with WiFi and they could do the same thing.

O and something DT said caught my interest, WHAT IF WE GET EMPED! Well there goes all our money.

There is only one real thing I support about this. How easy It would for a first responder like me to simply scan someone’s shoulder and instantly get all there medical history. But that can be done anyways by simply typing the persons name on the laptop anyways.

And about what I said earlier about how its easy and cheap to steal someone’s RFID information, Any one got $60

http://cgi.ebay.com/Escort-LRP830-30-RFID-Long-Range-Passive-Reader-Writer-/400125112952?cmd=ViewItem&pt=BI_Control_Systems_PLCs&hash=item5d2950b278

[. offline]

First of all, I do not see that catching on. Ever.

Secondly, people are frightened by new technology all the time. They're just tying it in to some old hoodoo to make it seem scarier and / or less desirable.

I, Robot
Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep?
I Have No Mouth and I must scream
THE FREAKING MATRIX and the GOD DAMN TERMINATOR TRILOGIES!!!!

I want to reply to that, but I'm not sure of what you're trying to get across...

That there is good reason to be afraid of technology. Today the toaster won't want to kill me, but eventually? *shudder*

[Jazzy Josh offline]

RFID is a insecure none encrypted type of technology. In fact the Verichip says that it has no way to tell who is reading it. And even when they make it encrypted someone can simply use a method similar to packet sniffing with WiFi and they could do the same thing.

I'm assuming that you are talking about WEP here. The reason WEP is easily crackable it because it is horrendously insecure. I would assume something like WPA2-TKIP plus a password and an RC5 or AES secured key (It takes years to crack a key with just 64 bit RC5 with crowdsourcing)

O and something DT said caught my interest, WHAT IF WE GET EMPED! Well there goes all our money.

Erm, is there actually such a thing as an EMP bomb? Never heard of one in real life.

That being said, RFIDs are horribly insecure in themselves, which is why many people smash the chips in their credit cards if they have them in there or buy a RFID blocking case for their passport (it's illegal to smash or destroy the chip in a passport because it counts as an alteration.

[. offline]

RFID is a insecure none encrypted type of technology. In fact the Verichip says that it has no way to tell who is reading it. And even when they make it encrypted someone can simply use a method similar to packet sniffing with WiFi and they could do the same thing.

I'm assuming that you are talking about WEP here. The reason WEP is easily crackable it because it is horrendously insecure. I would assume something like WPA2-TKIP plus a password and an RC5 or AES secured key (It takes years to crack a key with just 64 bit RC5 with crowdsourcing)

O and something DT said caught my interest, WHAT IF WE GET EMPED! Well there goes all our money.

Erm, is there actually such a thing as an EMP bomb? Never heard of one in real life.

That being said, RFIDs are horribly insecure in themselves, which is why many people smash the chips in their credit cards if they have them in there or buy a RFID blocking case for their passport (it's illegal to smash or destroy the chip in a passport because it counts as an alteration.

Nuclear bombs give off an EMP i believe, at least that was the plot of Metal Gear Solid 2. Solidus was going to liberate manhatten by launching a nuke into the atmosphere over it causing an EMP to destroy Wallstreet.

[TheLQ offline]

RFID is a insecure none encrypted type of technology. In fact the Verichip says that it has no way to tell who is reading it. And even when they make it encrypted someone can simply use a method similar to packet sniffing with WiFi and they could do the same thing.

I'm assuming that you are talking about WEP here. The reason WEP is easily crackable it because it is horrendously insecure. I would assume something like WPA2-TKIP plus a password and an RC5 or AES secured key (It takes years to crack a key with just 64 bit RC5 with crowdsourcing)

WPA2 changes its key so frequently that even if you do crack it, its useless because the key's changed a million times. But why are we talking about WPA with RFID...

O and something DT said caught my interest, WHAT IF WE GET EMPED! Well there goes all our money.

Erm, is there actually such a thing as an EMP bomb? Never heard of one in real life.

That being said, RFIDs are horribly insecure in themselves, which is why many people smash the chips in their credit cards if they have them in there or buy a RFID blocking case for their passport (it's illegal to smash or destroy the chip in a passport because it counts as an alteration.

Nuclear bombs give off an EMP i believe, at least that was the plot of Metal Gear Solid 2. Solidus was going to liberate manhatten by launching a nuke into the atmosphere over it causing an EMP to destroy Wallstreet.

With a nuke EMP is a very small side effect. Shockwave's, heat, vaporization, and gamma rays are a MUCH bigger problem . An actual EMP non nuclear bomb on the other hand is a few years in the future. There are one's that exist but they are very small can can only take out things like car's. A very large one that can fly in a plane over the US is as I said a few years in the future.

[JesusFreak offline]

Oh for....


The 700 club very rarely knows what they're talking about. At all.