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Do you think Code Lyoko is an Anime or a Cartoon?

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Postby Overcaffeinated Sloth » Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:10 pm

Nia'Tona wrote:I recognise anime by the way in which unrealistic events can happen seemlessly in a realistic environment, as an artistic way to represent something. For example, in the anime universe a character can fall flat on their back in an instant to convey to the viewer that they're frustrated, but if the same thing happened in a cartoon (one bound by reality anyway), characters would probably say "jeez, didn't that hurt?". Code Lyoko seems to go to great lengths to keep things realistic, like they way they eat for instance, the fact that Odd has a large appetite is displayed mostly through dialogue, but in anime they could convey the same message by doing the whole mouth-bigger-than-head eating thing. I'm not saying anime is 'unrealistic', just that it has the ability to sidetrack from realism where need be, and has less to do with the way it's drawn or animated.
The only anime like instance in Code Lyoko I can think of is the skateboard launch sequences, but otherwise they have very little to do with each other, in my opinion.


Yes, that's stylized.

It all realy depends on the animation teams, producer, and director and a those people.

It also helps that the plotlines are ery serious, so it fits well with tha animation style.

Now compare it to somethug from, say, Marathon, and they always do tat stuff. but it's not really too serious. But take a look at MoonScoop's The Fantastic Four Animated Seriese, and it's very similar, serious drawing for a serious plot.

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Postby McTrooper » Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:11 pm

It's a cartoon. Even if Best Buy puts it in there store under anime.

Code Lyoko doesn't fit the typical anime style. No big eyes. But not
only that anime rarely has lines.
Example: Odd and Ulrich's chin is more like a V shape than a rounded chin of most animes.

Infact the closest thing I've seen to CL's style is Invader Zim.

Though I do admit that CL is influenced by anime.
I remember seeing the eye taunt at least once.
The non-distinct backgrounds . . or action backgrounds during action scenes in the real world seem to be inspired by anime.
I'm sure you can find other anime influences on CL too.
Edit: I almost forgot the Indirect Kiss between Yumi and Ulrich.
I don't remember the episode at the moment, but Ulrich gave Yumi the
rest of his pop in one episode and later in the episode she drank from the same can.

Some people may argue that CL isn't anime, because it's French.
Yet there is such a thing as French anime. There is recent French anime
like Totally Spies and French anime that dates back even to the early 80's
like Belle and Sebastian and The Mysterious Cities of Gold.
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Postby Overcaffeinated Sloth » Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:19 pm

.... Okay then, I accept that.

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Postby JeremyHopper » Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:21 pm

I would say this whole discussion is of opinion, there is no right or wrong answer. No one can say "Anime is only cartoons from Japan so CL isn't anime and that's that!" The dictionary definitions are very bland when it comes to anime. Most seem to say that western culture sees it as cartoons originating in Japan, but the line between anime being where it's from and what it's like is blurring fast.
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Postby McTrooper » Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:41 pm

I think anime is now more defined by style than country of origin.

And ironically anime style is supposed to have been at least partially
inspired by US made Disney cartoons. In particular the bigger eyes
that capture expressiveness.

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Note: I'm editing in a CL inspired by anime moment about the Indirect Kiss in my previous post.
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Postby jayde_child » Sat Jan 27, 2007 3:31 pm

Why don't we all just say that it is a cartoon. Then we dont have to argue so much. -_________________-
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Postby Mewberries151 » Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:43 am

jayde_child wrote:Why don't we all just say that it is a cartoon. Then we dont have to argue so much. -_________________-



*snickers* Well...technically, the most general categorization for it would be an animation. *ducks tomatoes* XD

In all seriousness, I think Jeremy Hopper hit the nail on the head. It's a matter of opinion, and has no definitive answer (as there really is none ^^ ).
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Postby Tom Bone » Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:27 pm

jayde_child wrote:Why don't we all just say that it is a cartoon. Then we dont have to argue so much. -_________________-


Yeah, after all, all animations are cartoons, either way! :*D
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Postby YDV » Mon Jan 29, 2007 12:07 pm

I would call it an "animated series," mostly because "cartoon" sounds kiddy to me. I call stuff that's from Japan "anime," although by root definition it could apply to anything. But Franime works too. :P

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Postby Overcaffeinated Sloth » Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:33 pm

One thing I really wonder:

If something fits into one category, but also fits into another, which is it listed under? And if it goes under nothing, should it go through the same process?

Bleech: Mabey we should just have a censoring board. Then we won't have to make decisions anymore. But then again that leads to microchips in brains...

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Postby Lyokogirl_147 » Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:46 pm

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Postby Overcaffeinated Sloth » Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:48 am

... 'kay....

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Postby DeadViolet » Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:25 pm

We need an Anime!

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Postby Son-Neko » Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:04 pm

I don't really care what it is, it entertains me and that's all that counts.
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Postby Lyoko SA80 » Mon Apr 30, 2007 12:50 pm

Well I have to agree with everyone .Code lyoko is a anime with is also a cartoon as it is a japanese basiced show .Anyone who disagreees has a lot of reaseach to do as I have found out cartoons and that are from japan and that 's that .
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Postby UltimaHedgie » Tue May 01, 2007 12:34 pm

I always have considered Code Lyoko an anime. So long as a show has the same, or similar, graphical styles of a anime (regardless of origin), I see it as an anime. Anime is derived from Japan, yes, but that doesn't mean they can't be made in other countries.
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Postby Chosen_one » Tue May 01, 2007 8:52 pm

France is a country where many anime-influenced animations are produced. Take a look at that list at the bottom of the Wikipedia page. Under "European animation," the first item is "Code Lyoko."
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I personally use a term called "animé" (with an acute, or aigu for French speakers, accent on the "e") to include anime and all other styles that it influences, such as Chinese donghua pian, Korean anime, dessin anime, Avatar, etc.
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Postby Overcaffeinated Sloth » Wed May 02, 2007 10:01 pm

Please note that the list is actually in ALPHABETICAL ORDER.

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Postby McTrooper » Thu May 03, 2007 5:35 pm

Lyoko Soldier wrote:Well I have to agree with everyone .Code lyoko is a anime with is also a cartoon as it is a japanese basiced show .Anyone who disagreees has a lot of reaseach to do as I have found out cartoons and that are from japan and that 's that .


* scratches head * I don't think I quite understood that.

"What is anime" is a question. Many people have many theories that try to answer that question, but unless you are defining anime as animation in general (which at one point was a valid definition) then your wrong.

Code Lyoko has a style of it's own. The cultural influence of Japanese anime is present in Code Lyoko, BUT the art and style is it's own original style.

Think about it . . have you ever seen an anime (or even a cartoon) that uses super high quality, detailed, beautifully light, vivid, backgrounds?
Have you ever seen characters with foreheads like that?
(Please note the foreheads doesn't bother me. I don't even think about it usually.)


* eyeroll * Next people will start saying the Power Rangers was an anime because they had mech's and special effects like Godzilla :p
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Postby Chosen_one » Thu May 03, 2007 10:31 pm

Yeah, but a lot of attributes of Code Lyoko originate from basic Japanese things.

For example, the name "Lyoko" came from a Japanese word meaning something like "to travel." And then there's Yumi, a Japanese girl who somehow lives in FRANCE. (There are very few east Asians in France; the majority of orientals there are Vietnamese or from some other Southeast Asian country that was formerly part of France, these being Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia.) And Ulrich, despite obviously being German, has a Japanese-styled suit and weapon on Lyoko.
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Postby Andy Waltfeld » Sun May 06, 2007 2:11 pm

I'm gonna call Cartoon on this one.

If only because the Cartoon side needs more shows with consistent plots.
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Postby Odddellarobbia12 » Wed May 09, 2007 10:14 pm

I also going cartoon on this one even though there are some pretty good arguments both ways.
I'm surprised the vote is so even.

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Postby Malkmusian » Thu Jun 28, 2007 6:08 am

Look at it. It was made in France. Duh. Even the Simpsons and Family Guy...and Robot Chicken have face faults.

It's a cartoon that has an adult following.
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Postby zex marquise » Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:18 am

JeremyHopper wrote:What's more, Code Lyoko's animation uses some of the elements of Anime but is of a more higher class than anime in my opinion. It's a lot different, like higher frame rate.

McTrooper wrote:Think about it . . have you ever seen an anime (or even a cartoon) that uses super high quality, detailed, beautifully light, vivid, backgrounds?

? :umm: ? What anime have you been watching? Though I will admit that CL has very nice beckground images, I have seen plenty of anime with better frame rate and art style than CL. You must be thinking of the Gundam Wing and Dragon Ball Z days. How about Ghost in the Shell: SAC, or Eureka seveN, or some of Hayao Miyazaki's more recent movies? There's more, but I can't remember them in my current mental state. No midnight rant for you! Come back---one year!

And CL would be anime influenced, but certainly not up to modern anime's animation standards. Just in E7 alone, I have seen some crazy stuff. If you think anime has bad framerates then your living in the dark ages. I pity the fool who hasn't seen E7.

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Postby McTrooper » Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:32 am

zex marquise wrote:
JeremyHopper wrote:What's more, Code Lyoko's animation uses some of the elements of Anime but is of a more higher class than anime in my opinion. It's a lot different, like higher frame rate.

McTrooper wrote:Think about it . . have you ever seen an anime (or even a cartoon) that uses super high quality, detailed, beautifully light, vivid, backgrounds?

? :umm: ? What anime have you been watching? Though I will admit that CL has very nice beckground images, I have seen plenty of anime with better frame rate and art style than CL. You must be thinking of the Gundam Wing and Dragon Ball Z days. How about Ghost in the Shell: SAC, or Eureka seveN, or some of Hayao Miyazaki's more recent movies? There's more, but I can't remember them in my current mental state. No midnight rant for you! Come back---one year!

And CL would be anime influenced, but certainly not up to modern anime's animation standards. Just in E7 alone, I have seen some crazy stuff. If you think anime has bad framerates then your living in the dark ages. I pity the fool who hasn't seen E7.

Anyone else notice the Totoro in Yumi's bedroom?


Miyazaki's films usually have lush amazing backgrounds, but one of the anime stereotypes (not just imports either) is that less detail and attention for backgrounds. Just because a few anime out there come close or possibly exceed Code Lyoko's backgrounds doesn't mean that the bulk of anime does.

Ghost in the Shell: SAC backgrounds are quality and frankly they move more than Lyoko, but they don't have the artistic lighting and almost dreamlike (but realistic) quality of Lyoko's backgrounds.

Eureka seveN, well the back grounds can be neat sometimes, but over all they are muted.

Frame rates in anime . . well part of anime style is cheating frame rates.
It's hard to imagine even a high frame rate anime not choosing to artistically cheat a bit.

It's cool to see we're on the same page that CL is "anime influenced".
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