Jeremy's courage

[SamBlob offline]

Jeremy always preaches caution, and this may be the reason why Odd always ribs him about being afraid, as in "Mister Puck" where he tells Aelita that what she describes is because of fear, and he says "Jeremy does that all the time!".

Yumi knows better, though, and now Aelita does, too.

Yumi knows from "Image Problem", when he attacked the YumiClone to stop it from killing her. Aelita knows from "Deja Vu", when he dived in and rescued her.

Besides which, both Jeremy and Odd were equally frightened in "The Trap".

It has been suggested that Jeremy is afraid of drowning, but in "Laughing Fit", and again in "Deja Vu", Jeremy has proven himself to be a strong swimmer with good ability to swim under the surface.

[Dylan0513 offline]

Jeremie and Odd were both huddled together against the wall when the possesed Nurse Dorothy was attacking them in Tip Top Shape.

[Mewberries151]

Jeremie has courage. You'd have to in order to keep fighting XANA so long, especially when he's nailed you as his prime target (not counting Yumi...we still don't know why he dislikes her so much... ^^; ).

He's not a fighter in any sense that say Ulrich or Yumi are. Not counting his XANA possession in "Mister Puck" the only hit I've ever seen him deal is to Duncan in "Common Interest" in which, once XANA lost control over him, Jeremie dealt him a double-fisted hit over the head to KO him entirely. I get the sense that Jeremie knows his own limitations. He knows he doesn't have the training to fight in a physical sense, and since he skips PE on a regular basis and doesn't play sports, he can't always run, dodge, or climb out of harm's way like the others can.

Strength and courage of character aren't always found in a physical fight though. Jeremie has a very strong and indominable spirit and he perseveres. If he were a total coward, he would have given up on saving Aelita, for the sake of keeping himself safe. There was a great deal of truth in his words that he "fights for her everyday against XANA"...despite Odd making fun of it. He fights in the best way he knows how: With his intellect and computer know-how. And he has courage to overcome his own limitations in a fight when it's truly needed, as referenced by SamBlob in "Image Problem" and "Deja Vu".

As for "Tip Top Shape", look at that scenario again. Jeremie and Odd were trapped by Nurse Dorothy and both seemed to be at the same fear level, just like in "The Trap", so this says nothing against Jeremie's own courage. Odd is a better fighter, and he's not. Also, taking into account that Nurse Dorothy was possessed by XANA at the time, had cornered them, and was likely ready to shoot a huge ball of lightning energy at the both of them, seems like a good reason to be afraid.

Fear does not necessarily connote a weakness, just as being brave doesn't mean one goes looking for trouble.

[HvonM offline]

Jeremie has courage. You'd have to in order to keep fighting XANA so long, especially when he's nailed you as his prime target (not counting Yumi...we still don't know why he dislikes her so much... ^^; ).

He's not a fighter in any sense that say Ulrich or Yumi are. Not counting his XANA possession in "Mister Puck" the only hit I've ever seen him deal is to Duncan in "Common Interest" in which, once XANA lost control over him, Jeremie dealt him a double-fisted hit over the head to KO him entirely. I get the sense that Jeremie knows his own limitations. He knows he doesn't have the training to fight in a physical sense, and since he skips PE on a regular basis and doesn't play sports, he can't always run, dodge, or climb out of harm's way like the others can.

Strength and courage of character aren't always found in a physical fight though. Jeremie has a very strong and indominable spirit and he perseveres. If he were a total coward, he would have given up on saving Aelita, for the sake of keeping himself safe. There was a great deal of truth in his words that he "fights for her everyday against XANA"...despite Odd making fun of it. He fights in the best way he knows how: With his intellect and computer know-how. And he has courage to overcome his own limitations in a fight when it's truly needed, as referenced by SamBlob in "Image Problem" and "Deja Vu".

As for "Tip Top Shape", look at that scenario again. Jeremie and Odd were trapped by Nurse Dorothy and both seemed to be at the same fear level, just like in "The Trap", so this says nothing against Jeremie's own courage. Odd is a better fighter, and he's not. Also, taking into account that Nurse Dorothy was possessed by XANA at the time, had cornered them, and was likely ready to shoot a huge ball of lightning energy at the both of them, seems like a good reason to be afraid.

Fear does not necessarily connote a weakness, just as being brave doesn't mean one goes looking for trouble.

Well said. Jeremie does seem to have a good deal of courage.

[Saphire-089 offline]

Jeremie has courage. You'd have to in order to keep fighting XANA so long, especially when he's nailed you as his prime target (not counting Yumi...we still don't know why he dislikes her so much... ^^; ).

He's not a fighter in any sense that say Ulrich or Yumi are. Not counting his XANA possession in "Mister Puck" the only hit I've ever seen him deal is to Duncan in "Common Interest" in which, once XANA lost control over him, Jeremie dealt him a double-fisted hit over the head to KO him entirely. I get the sense that Jeremie knows his own limitations. He knows he doesn't have the training to fight in a physical sense, and since he skips PE on a regular basis and doesn't play sports, he can't always run, dodge, or climb out of harm's way like the others can.

Strength and courage of character aren't always found in a physical fight though. Jeremie has a very strong and indominable spirit and he perseveres. If he were a total coward, he would have given up on saving Aelita, for the sake of keeping himself safe. There was a great deal of truth in his words that he "fights for her everyday against XANA"...despite Odd making fun of it. He fights in the best way he knows how: With his intellect and computer know-how. And he has courage to overcome his own limitations in a fight when it's truly needed, as referenced by SamBlob in "Image Problem" and "Deja Vu".

As for "Tip Top Shape", look at that scenario again. Jeremie and Odd were trapped by Nurse Dorothy and both seemed to be at the same fear level, just like in "The Trap", so this says nothing against Jeremie's own courage. Odd is a better fighter, and he's not. Also, taking into account that Nurse Dorothy was possessed by XANA at the time, had cornered them, and was likely ready to shoot a huge ball of lightning energy at the both of them, seems like a good reason to be afraid.

Fear does not necessarily connote a weakness, just as being brave doesn't mean one goes looking for trouble.

I agree with you on everything you've just said.

[SamBlob offline]

Thank you for stating the case far better than I did, MewB!

[MY85 offline]

Fear does not necessarily connote a weakness, just as being brave doesn't mean one goes looking for trouble.

That basically resumes it all, Mew. Btw, you forgot just one thing about Jeremie: he would risk himself for his friends, even if that would mean going to Lyoko. He would do it for them. Like on Frontier (well, that was just for Aelita), Ghost Channel, Mister Puck and soon other episodes where he would have no choice, but to do it.

Also, he knows very well his strategies to combat XANA and even if he screw things up, he will find a way to fix them. However, I would like to see how Jeremie would deal with the day he failed to save someone else's life. And by that, I mean XANA murdering any civilian.

[SamBlob offline]

Fear does not necessarily connote a weakness, just as being brave doesn't mean one goes looking for trouble.

That basically resumes it all, Mew. Btw, you forgot just one thing about Jeremie: he would risk himself for his friends, even if that would mean going to Lyoko. He would do it for them. Like on Frontier (well, that was just for Aelita), Ghost Channel, Mister Puck and soon other episodes where he would have no choice, but to do it.

Also, he knows very well his strategies to combat XANA and even if he screw things up, he will find a way to fix them. However, I would like to see how Jeremie would deal with the day he failed to save someone else's life. And by that, I mean XANA murdering any civilian.

One thing to add to that. As "Seeing Is Believing" shows, Jeremy would risk himself, all of Team Lyoko, and the entire city to save Aelita. He was not brought to see reason in that episode, he was simply outvoted (with Aelita's deciding vote, no less...)

Whether it be for good or ill,
There is not much stronger than Jeremy's will.

[Mewberries151]

Fear does not necessarily connote a weakness, just as being brave doesn't mean one goes looking for trouble.

That basically resumes it all, Mew. Btw, you forgot just one thing about Jeremie: he would risk himself for his friends, even if that would mean going to Lyoko. He would do it for them. Like on Frontier (well, that was just for Aelita), Ghost Channel, Mister Puck and soon other episodes where he would have no choice, but to do it.

Also, he knows very well his strategies to combat XANA and even if he screw things up, he will find a way to fix them. However, I would like to see how Jeremie would deal with the day he failed to save someone else's life. And by that, I mean XANA murdering any civilian.

One thing to add to that. As "Seeing Is Believing" shows, Jeremy would risk himself, all of Team Lyoko, and the entire city to save Aelita. He was not brought to see reason in that episode, he was simply outvoted (with Aelita's deciding vote, no less...)

Whether it be for good or ill,
There is not much stronger than Jeremy's will.

Ah yes!! Those are all really great examples of Jeremie's courage, especially in regards to Aelita's well-being!

He really does have an incredible will to save her. Thoughts of her were what allowed him to activate the RTTP in "Attack of the Zombies", and he was already partially under XANA's control by then. Truly impressive!

Thank you for stating the case far better than I did, MewB!

^_^ Aw, thanks! I used alot of your ideas as a springboard though. Especially "Image Problem", since he really did involve himself in an actual fight to save Yumi. That was a great point!

[4lpha0mega offline]

Fear does not necessarily connote a weakness, just as being brave doesn't mean one goes looking for trouble.

Theres a line between being cowardly and cautious
just like theres a line between bravery and foolishness
you should know your on limitations

just becouse jeremie doesnt usually go to lyoko and fight, doesnt give odd a reason to call him cowardly... i sure odd would be very afraid of having to work the super-calculator, like in Frontier when yumi made a mistake and trapped jeremie between worlds... i soppose its much harder to work the super-calculator than to fight virtual monsters

[bduddy offline]

One thing to add to that. As "Seeing Is Believing" shows, Jeremy would risk himself, all of Team Lyoko, and the entire city to save Aelita. He was not brought to see reason in that episode, he was simply outvoted (with Aelita's deciding vote, no less...)

Whether it be for good or ill,
There is not much stronger than Jeremy's will.

There is a fine line between courage and being blind to the facts. Was Jeremie suffering from the latter? It seems that Aelita does have the ability to affect his judgement.

[*Star* Gazer offline]

Well Jeremy is brave..... nah....he's more of a coward than a hero but is brave I have to say I kind of do have a small crush on him . Though he was brave in, Common interests, Laughing fit(season 1), Attack of the zombies (I have no clue witch is creeper Marabouta or Attack of the zombies) so he is brave (if thats the word you wanna use)

[SamBlob offline]

Well Jeremy is brave..... nah....he's more of a coward than a hero but is brave I have to say I kind of do have a small crush on him . Though he was brave in, Common interests, Laughing fit(season 1), Attack of the zombies (I have no clue witch is creeper Marabouta or Attack of the zombies) so he is brave (if thats the word you wanna use)

Jeremy runs when running is prudent; they all do. But he's no coward. He has an unbelievable strength of will, in stark contrast to the other whiz kid in his class, Herb. Now *there's* a coward!

In fact, Jeremy's strength of will is so great that he becomes insufferable when he won't see reason, as in "Seeing Is Believing", "The Girl Of The Dreams", "Frontier", "Just In Time", "St. Valentine's Day", and "Marabounta". He can be a pain at times, especially when he's got a bee in his bonnet about something....

[MY85 offline]

He has an unbelievable strength of will, in stark contrast to the other whiz kid in his class, Herb. Now *there's* a coward!

Not to forget Jeremie has very good friends. If the 2 geeks get into a fight with their bare hands, Herb could win, by instant quick aggresion. But if Jeremie's friends help him, I don't think Sissi or Nicolas would step foot into helping him.

In fact, Jeremy's strength of will is so great that he becomes insufferable when he won't see reason, as in "Seeing Is Believing", "The Girl Of The Dreams", "Frontier", "Just In Time", "St. Valentine's Day", and "Marabounta". He can be a pain at times, especially when he's got a bee in his bonnet about something....

That's right.

[SamBlob offline]

He has an unbelievable strength of will, in stark contrast to the other whiz kid in his class, Herb. Now *there's* a coward!

Not to forget Jeremie has very good friends. If the 2 geeks get into a fight with their bare hands, Herb could win, by instant quick aggresion. But if Jeremie's friends help him, I don't think Sissi or Nicolas would step foot into helping him.

That's *not* what I meant. Herb cringes and flees from just about any adversity and would be useless in any fight in which he is personally active (as opposed to his role in "The Robots", where he was of invaluable help behind the scenes), while Jeremy would assess the scene and take whatever action he could.

Unless Aelita were in danger. Then he'd rush in headlong.

[Mewberries151]

Well Jeremy is brave..... nah....he's more of a coward than a hero but is brave I have to say I kind of do have a small crush on him . Though he was brave in, Common interests, Laughing fit(season 1), Attack of the zombies (I have no clue witch is creeper Marabouta or Attack of the zombies) so he is brave (if thats the word you wanna use)

There are all kinds of bravery. You don't have to be strong physically to be brave. Bravery, actually, is more based on the strength of one's heart and morals. Jeremie fights XANA (with his friends) everyday for the sake of one girl's life and freedom. He has not complained about this ever; he has never once said he was tired of fighting for Aelita, and he's never quit and said, "I can't do this anymore. It's too much work and it's too dangerous. Let's just shut XANA down and be done with it." Bravery is doing the right thing, even though it may not be the easiest or even the most logical thing to do.

There is a fine line between courage and being blind to the facts. Was Jeremie suffering from the latter? It seems that Aelita does have the ability to affect his judgement.

Aelita does affect his judgement, but love, another strong concept, tends to have that affect no matter who it's between. "Seeing is Believing" is a prime example of Jeremie attempting to overthrow a concept known as "the needs of the many outweighing the needs of the few". Yumi was thinking along those terms, as was Aelita herself. Sometimes the needs of the many do outweigh the needs of the few in dire situations, but it doesn't make the idea of possibly losing the "few" any less painful.

Jeremie places Aelita's safety above all else. That's not blindness; it's devotion and loyalty, and above all, love. Which is why, while he did not want Yumi to try and warn the authorities, he counted Aelita's vote, even though it wasn't the vote he was hoping for. He did this because he holds her in the highest respect, and couldn't deny her a decision that ultimately should have been up to her. He acknowledged and respected Aelita's opinion, which in itself is bravery. He easily could have been selfish and still told Yumi "no", and that Aelita's vote didn't count. He was willing to trust in Aelita's decision, and brave the idea of possibly losing her, had things gone terribly wrong. Jeremie is no coward.

[SamBlob offline]

MewB, thank you for your clear and concise statement of the case. I couldn't have said it better; heck, I couldn't even say it as well as that!

[Mewberries151]

MewB, thank you for your clear and concise statement of the case. I couldn't have said it better; heck, I couldn't even say it as well as that!

*blushes* Aww, that's so nice of you to say. Thanks very much! You really stated it best though when you said that Jeremie runs when running is the best thing to do and, in that respect, they all do. It's very true. Knowing when to retreat is integral to good strategy, I believe, and as you said, it does not imply cowardice.

[*Star* Gazer offline]

Buuuut he's a little over protective on Aelita leave the girl on her own for once! She's not that defenceless, And Jeremy is brave very well, a good heart and mind-you would go by the terms of him being nerdy but not as much as Herve (or Herb)

[MY85 offline]

Buuuut he's a little over protective on Aelita leave the girl on her own for once!

I agree with you just a little bit (let her enjoy the world, and explore feelings, fun stuff, etc.), but think about it: Jeremie is XANA's worst enemy for when it comes to attack Aelita. So leaving Aelita alone is just another chance for XANA to take posession over some human being and get her into Lyoko again for memory extraction. There's always a price for leaving Aelita alone.

Maybe Jeremie can behave like a jerk, but he has his reasons for when he has to do something. He can fix messed up situations, the kind his other friends wouldn't.

[*Star* Gazer offline]

True.....but he doesn't need to screm Aelita just because Aelita got to the scipzoa, "Aelita!!!!!!.....A decoy!"

:Quoted from episode have no clue:

[MY85 offline]

True.....but he doesn't need to screm Aelita just because Aelita got to the scipzoa, "Aelita!!!!!!.....A decoy!"

Well, Jeremie pulls off more stress than other members from team Lyoko, so it could be normal for him to yell that way. Besides, if he screws one thing up, it's probably goodbye for them. His mistakes are a benefit for XANA, unless some weird thing happens like in Marabounta.

Or are you expecting him to say that to Aelita in Tweety style? I think I saw a pretty skipy zoey Scipizoa (not the exact way of quoting Tweety from LT, though). You want that? I don't think so...

[*Star* Gazer offline]

Nope I do not want that but I wish JEremy would calm down a little even if I like him