Are Jeremy and Aelita really ment to be?

[. offline]

Ah ya know with typically Cannon-pairing ussually you can see the pair growing old together. I can't see that with these two, they have to much of a personality clash with there only incommon characteristic is that they're both very intelligent.

Jeremy is a shut in, the type of guy that isn't likely to go out on a saturday night. He probbly only has the friends he has by chance, he's probbly a loner (take note, he has no dorm mate). His whole life revolved around Aelita because Aelita was trapped on her computer. She never had anything better to do but sit around in a virtual tower and talk to him.

However shes free now, and we've all ready seen them butting heads here and there. Aelita no longer just wants to sit around and speak to Jeremy, shes free from her virtual prision. She wants to see the world, explore, try new things.

So my prediction is that these two will somewhere down the line have a devestating break up. They will end up hating each other over it.

Plus, ya know, hardly anyone stays with their highschool sweetheart

[Skorpigeist offline]

I will preface this post by saying that I like to read about all kinds of lyoko relationships, but am a big fan of the jeremie/aelita relationship.

Nice words from an OXA fan.

Personally, I could see your point, Jeremie is a bit of a loner, and a computer nerd, and lacks experince in love. Well not love of the mind or heart or soul, but the type of love people their age is typically concerned about. He is stubborn, a little bit negligent (Although this is not intentonal. I think he realizes more than any of the others,besides Aelita, the true mesaure of what they are up against. He takes this burden heavily because he is the only one who has a complete mastery of the supercomputer, besides Franz, but that is another story). Also you are right about Aelita being an extrovert, but I don't think she has changed so much that they can't still be in love.

But you have to admit that he is very dedicated, loyal, and willing to lay everything aside for her. He loves her unconditionally, and that is a very strong bond. That type of love goes far deeper than any sort of romantic commitment. Plus she also pretty much views him as her saviour and she loves him unconditionally. Sure they fight at times, but a lot of people who are made for each other fight. I also think that the two have way more in common than you are giving them credit for. We don't exactly know everything that they talked about, and they got pretty close during all the time that he was working on materialization. I also think that he doesnt completely ignore her throughout season two as well. The problem is that we don't really get insights into all his thoughts. I imagine he feels he is doing everything for her and is setting aside some things until there is a "world without danger" meaning xana's demise.

[Exploder offline]

Personally, I don't think Jeremie is Aelita's type. She seems like more of a go-getter, and more of and Odd-type person at times. I don't really see them getting together any more than they are now. I think they are not enough alike to be compatible.



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[Skorpigeist offline]

Personally, I don't think Jeremie is Aelita's type. She seems like more of a go-getter, and more of and Odd-type person at times. I don't really see them getting together any more than they are now. I think they are not enough alike to be compatible.



*hides from JxA fans*

haha no need to hide. We are all civilized people.

I just think that them being opposites is a good thing. I have always thought if I was with someone just like myself I would get bored and disgusted. It's all about that completion of each other. They make each others strenghts stronger and shore up the other's weaknesses.

[Taelia offline]

Princess Aelita of Lyoko and Prince Jeremie of Earth are meant for one another. It says in my sig.

[Exploder offline]

Even so, I think Jeremie cares too much. I can name off the bat at least five episodes when he does his trademark "AELITA!!! NO!!!" scream. Would you want to have some freak breathing down your neck? Think about it.

[Blueyedblonde offline]

Well, Me being the huge OddxAelita fan that I am, I'm going to say no.

Let's face it, Jeremie is not the funny guy Odd is, he dosn't have the looks Odd does,(haha) and he's just not the, 'Let's go dancing and have a good time!' kind of guy that Odd is. Personally, I could also see Jeremie and Aelita breaking up, but I think that they could still be good friends.

Aelita would probably get bored with the relashinship since Jeremie's the mega-shy person he is. They would hang around the same people, every day, for the rest of their lives... that would bore anyone!
And plus, XANA being after Aelita the way he is, Jeremie isn't exactly the best protecter. Odd always jumps on the act to help Aelita, whenever she's in trouble.

This isn't a flame by the way... Just a rant that i've been thinking about for a long time.

[. offline]

Oh I'm not saying Jer doesn't love her unconditionally, he does but... Ahhh well, heres a big thing: I see no physical chemistry beteewn them. They lack that energy that Yumi and Ulrich have.

I mean I really can't see Jer being Aelita's type

[Blueyedblonde offline]

Oh I'm not saying Jer doesn't love her unconditionally, he does but... Ahhh well, heres a big thing: I see no physical chemistry beteewn them. They lack that energy that Yumi and Ulrich have.

I mean I really can't see Jer being Aelita's type

I dont see it either. It's pretty much a *Fluff* relashinship. I wouldn't say that she loves him as much as he loves her. Have you ever seen 'Fatal Attractions'? -lol- They remind me of JeremiexAelita.

[Skorpigeist offline]

Even so, I think Jeremie cares too much. I can name off the bat at least five episodes when he does his trademark "AELITA!!! NO!!!" scream. Would you want to have some freak breathing down your neck? Think about it.

Could you tell me which ones you are thinking about and at what points? because when I think of this scream by Jeremie he is not only protecting her in the best way he knows how( because he obviously cannot protect her in a physical sense), but by her going a mission alone makes her very vulnerable and not something that the group needed. He is basically covering all of his bases.

as for your post blueeyedblonde, I don't see it as a flame . You have a very valid point. I think though that since Jeremie would do anything for Aelita he would be willing to break his shell with enough pressure. It is really really hard to be sociable when it is not something that you are used to. Sometimes it takes a special person to break that shell.


ThePepsiPiper, I can see what you mean about the whole physical chemistry. I think it is very subtle though and not as pronounced as the potential chemistry bewteen her and Odd. I personally think that just because you click with someone physically isn't exactly a good idea to be with them. Of course that is only in a physical sense. I would also agree that they physical chemistry has to be there. it is a very important ingredient. You can love a mind and soul all you want, but unless you have that spark it will never work.

I guess the reason I am so adament about this is because I see a lot of myself (whgen it comes to the opposite sex and love) in Jeremie and I want him to be happy. I am hopping that makes sense.

[Exploder offline]

The ones i'm thinking about include:

A Bad Turn- Aelita uses decoy, Jeremie screams at decoy being caught by Schyphozoa

The Key- Jeremie screams at a passed out Aelita (A little late, eh?)

Various Episodes- Jeremie screams at other Aelita Decoys and dangerous plans

[Skorpigeist offline]

The ones i'm thinking about include:

A Bad Turn- Aelita uses decoy, Jeremie screams at decoy being caught by Schyphozoa

The Key- Jeremie screams at a passed out Aelita (A little late, eh?)

Various Episodes- Jeremie screams at other Aelita Decoys and dangerous plans

ah okay then. However, many times he wasn't aware that she had made a clone. He can't see everything from his vantage point and natural concern takes over. I mean what would you say if someone you loved had just done something like she did in The Key

[Taelia offline]

I hope they do stay together. Love knows no boundaries.

[Skysong offline]

I think that their relationship is one of the more interesting on the show *because* they fight. Unlike the fights Yumi and Ulrich have (which are usually just out of jealousy because they're stubborn, etc. etc. this is a JxA thread), theirs are usually just little tiffs, fights anyone has in a friendship. At the end of the day, I think they would do just about anything for each other, and they care about each other enough to not give up over a fight, or, if they do, they enjoy each other enough that they would eventually repair their friendship.

I think they just need a little time because Jeremie is too shy to openly do much and Aelita wants to experience the world. But I think that after a while they would return to each other.

[Taelia offline]

Yup, like Odd and Sissi.

[oddlauren offline]

lyoko addict- like other people have said, he screamed at Alieta because he was worried about her. Everyone screams to people they love, expecally when they die, like in the key. ok, i'm not sure if she really died.

Yes, they are opposites, but they usually get along so well. In Xana's kiss, Alieta was mad at Jeremie for kissing someone, but when she went to Jermie, and he was mad at her, she seemed to be over it. so basically, they don't stay mad at each other for long.

[Mewberries151]

Interesting points.

In defense of J/A, I think that the kind of relationship they have can be summed up in one scientific fact: "Opposites Attract". ^^

Jeremie is a loner type, but I believe this comes from years of being the "geek". We're not sure how long ago he met the others, or Aelita, so friendship and love may be things that he's still trying to adapt to having. If he has been the "lone smart guy" for much of his young life, he's going to have a hard time changing back to out-going, and he may not ever completely.

What I think Aelita helps him with, is in becoming a more out-going type. Just look at "False Start", since when have you ever seen Jeremie sneak out of Kadic and take a walk outside. This is the boy who cuts P.E. class to work on his computer. Now granted it's usually to help/talk to Aelita, but still...he took Aelita for a jaunt about the town. And he enjoyed it. I think what Aelita gives him is more of a chance to open up. Ulrich's too introspective to do that alone and while Odd's out-going, he's "too much all at once". Aelita's patient, and Aelita's very kind and friendly. She's much more well-suited to showing him the other things that a person can do outside of a computer, and she also likes him, very much.

Now as for Aelita, yes, she's out-going and occasionally headstrong, but this is what makes her a good match for Jeremie...he needs someone who will tell him to "step away from the computer and spend some time in the fresh air". I would actually almost disagree with myself, and a few other posts made here in saying that they're not complete opposites.

Jeremie's caring. Aelita's caring. Jeremie's stubborn. Aelita's stubborn. Jeremie can be over-zealous. Aelita can be over-zealous (if "Deja Vu" is any evidence of that). I could list several more things...and I will if need be, but the point is, it's not just "scientific interest" and "same level intelligence" that they share. Aelita compliments and can fix Jeremie's faults, and I would say that Jeremie compliments Aelita just as well. If she's going to get anymore "go-getter", she's going to need a "voice of reason" to keep herself from doing something really dangerous or careless.

That's why I can understand, but don't agree with, the O/A pairing. The two of them together don't seem to be compatible in that I'm not sure Odd can ever fully grow up. His playful attitude would take alot of "patience" and "understanding" so much so that I'm not sure Aelita would be terribly happy with him. Plus, one wants to say they'd make a good couple because they're both "go-getters", I'd disagree because I could only see them being a really reckless pair (with Odd only encouraging any recklessness on Aelita's part), with one of them ultimately making a rather large mistake (most likely Odd, no offense). This is ironically why either of the O/S pairings seem more likely for Odd. Either Sam and Sissi are "down to earth" enough to at least be able to let Odd know when to "cool it"....and not be afraid about it either (whereas Aelita may be more timid about it, considering it rude or something along those lines).

To sum up this exceedingly long paragraph, I'd have to say that Jeremie and Aelita seem alot more compatible (their present affections, which are also evidence enough aside), since they compliment and would know how to nurse each other's hurts, faults, and short-comings.

The idea of "meant to be" gets too much into fate and destiny, which CL doesn't really deal with and can't necessarily be inferred since the kids themselves don't consider themselves "meant to be" (in fact, only William and Sissi have made any mention of that at all). Arguing that hardly anyone ever marries there "highschool sweetheart" isn't quite right, because it does happen and could happen. Plus...let's not forget...they're middle-schoolers. Excepting Yumi, I guess... ^^;

[. offline]

O/A go well becaise of the physical attraction, that spark.

Ah in the end Aelita probbly won't end up with either Odd or Jer. She'll probbly date them both and move on to better things I think.

Because at the end of the day if you combine Odd and Jer, THEN you'd have Aelita's man.

[Mewberries151]

O/A go well becaise of the physical attraction, that spark.

I don't really agree with that. Just plain physical attraction does not a happy, nor a long-lived couple make, necessarily. There has to be some sort of deeper attraction than that, I'd think for them to go well together. Youth doesn't last forever, after all.

Plus, what kind of physical attraction do you mean between Odd and Aelita. I've never once seen Odd ogle at her (although he did mention once that he likes to see her blush). The same goes for Aelita. At best, I think she likes Odd's personality, his fun-loving, happy-go-lucky attitude, as well as his suavity and wit. That's not necessarily physical attraction though. I've never seen them display any sort of "want" for each other.

Ah in the end Aelita probbly won't end up with either Odd or Jer. She'll probbly date them both and move on to better things I think.

Because at the end of the day if you combine Odd and Jer, THEN you'd have Aelita's man.

I disagree about the combination of Odd and Jeremie being Aelita's "perfect catch". I'm not so sure if personalities such as Odd and Jeremie's could be combined believably into one person, as a "wild and crazy, logical thinker" is just not really possible.

Plus, I'm not sure any of us are qualified to say who would be Aelita's perfect "man" or what would make Aelita's perfect man. None of us are Aelita so we have no idea exactly what kinds of things she values in a relationship or in a person. We can guess, and we can make assumptions based on our own personal preferences, but ultimately it's up to the creator's. They know Aelita's character, thus they'd know who her ideal "man" would be.

I also don't quite agree that Aelita would date anyone outside of her group. Keeping in mind that she's out of her "time period" (and probably has also since forth been presumed "dead" in present time), would she conceivably be able to marry an "outsider"? She'd have to either use whatever false records Jeremie were to create for her to make a new identity and then marry someone outside of Team Lyoko (always keeping her true identity a secret), or find a hacker who would create a new identity for her and whom she could trust would never ever reveal her secret. Now I'm not saying that she couldn't conceivably find someone in either of those scenarios, but there would always be that risk that she'd be found out, which would put her loved ones in danger. Aelita's too cautious to take that kind of chance. Remember she puts others safety before her own.

If she weren't to marry Jeremie (or Odd), I'd find it more likely that she'd simply never marry, possibly join a nunnery or some sort of civil service group where she could help people for the rest of her life.

[Movie-Man offline]

I disagree with the fact that Jeremy and Aelita aren't meant to be, the way I see it they certainly do belong together, they're kind and they really do love each other.

[Chad Rains offline]

I personally wouldn't change any of it for the world. The current canon 'ships seem to work just fine in their current form.

[animenologist offline]

I basically share Mewberries views. IMO, a long-lasting and stable relationship is about balance and Jeremie and Aelita complement each other quite nicely. It helps to have similarities which connects them and opposing forces to check each other. They reinforce each others strengths as well as keep in check the faults and weaknesses.

They of course have their similarities. They are both very intelligent, being geniuses and wiz kids. They are incredibly loyal, never abandoning their friends or loved ones, wiilling to put themselves in physical harms way for their friends (though this could be applied to the whole gang). And they share each others faults. They're both incredibly stubborn and passionate about their ideals. And its that where they balance each other.

Jeremie, when it comes to Aelita's safety, can become very hot-headed and delusional. He places her safety above his own (and in some cases above others), that he needs to be constantly brought down to Earth on what the priority is. For example, in Temptation, Jeremie placed himself under extreme mental and physical stress behind his friends back, because he felt the end of XANA justified it. So Aelita, must step in to keep him straight, like Just in Time or Seeing is Believing, Aelita must take the initiative to stop XANA, despite the danger she places herself in, because the immediate situation and the consequences are more dire.

On the flip side, Aelita has a martyr complex about her. She will willingly take the bullet for someone else, if it means she gets hurt instead of someone else, sometimes even recklessly. And in times, that makes the situation even worse than it started with. Missing Link for example, where before Jeremie had a chance to properly think things through, she went ahead and attempted to transfer her DNA sequence, without giving heed of its possible consequences. Ultimatum is arguably similar. In this case, she knocked out Jeremie (well Sissi knocked out Jeremie, but under Aelita's direction), and virtualized herself in an uncertain situation without help, without Jeremie's watching eye to keep track of her surroundings, and without virtualizing a vehicle for herself. She placed herself at a tactical disadvantage with her rushed like that and without any intelligence to the current situation.

Jeremie also has self-confidence issues. His major task is to control the supercomputer, because its the only task he's competent at and probably the task that has the least apparent effect on any current situation. If he fails at it, he puts himself in doubt about his abilities and consider himself worthless, "the biggest loser ever to walk the face of the Earth". He needs Aelita to keep him hopeful, to keep his spirits up, and to keep pushing him because she knows he can do it.

Aelita on the other hand is insecure about her origins. Many times she questions her self-worth since she's not "human" and is usually the main reason she uses to justify her martyr complex. The way I interprete her actions in The Key, I thought one of the reasons she tried to commit suicide (among others) is that being a lost former human makes her worth less than being an AI. Jeremie is there to show her that she is a life worth living, that she is of human worth, just like everyone else around them.

Other than the obvious difference of Aelita being an extrovert compared to Jeremie, their differences complete each other. Jeremie is there to introduce and show Aelita the joys of being human, the sights, smells, and feelings and Aelita is there to show Jeremie that there is much much more. Sure they fight at times, but I'd doubt you'd find a relationship that doesn't do that every once in a while. And at the same time, they have similarities that bond each other and a relationship that is built on trust and openness with each other. They are emotionally honest and even though they don't state it often, know they love each other deeply. Jeremie has been kissed by Aelita willingly 3 times already after all.

And really the changes between Season 1 and 2 in their relationship makes it all the more interesting. It makes it more dynamic. If I had to characterize their relationship between each other in Season 1, it was an emotional Jeremie, with a calm logical Aelita who basically personified patience as a human virtue. In a way it was kinda boring. With the events of Season 2, they've become 2 emotional people with conflicting ideologies and Aelita seems more human, more prone to human flaws. But now I'm kinda rambling.

And besides, whose to say shut-in nerds weren't supposed to have non-shutin girlfriends?

[Skorpigeist offline]

And besides, whose to say shut-in nerds weren't supposed to have non-shutin girlfriends?

Amen brother. I had slept on this and was going to post some more thoughts on the topic but both you and mewberries have taken any thought I could have placed forth and then magnified its strength. makes me jealous at times cause I need to work on expression . oh well kudos

[. offline]

Ah thoes are good point lol I never really thought about it that deeply.

I do have one last sticking point though, and thats that they're both still young and this is their first relationship for both of them. I find it kinda hard to swallow that SOMETHING won't change with in the next decade or so that won't lead them to splitting up.

[oddlauren offline]

well, i'm sure some things will change. I haven't thought about it that deeply either. I agree completly what everyone has said.