Christian Club.

[Crazy_For_Christ. offline]

Welcome to the Christian Club!

If you are a Christian, then you are welcome here! Here, We will copy down Bible Verses, discuss God Jesus & the Holy Spirit, and everything! So, Welcome to the Chrisitan Club!

Note to Mods & Admins:
If you think that club is offending to people in anyway, then go Here.
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Daisymay's Bible Verses:

2 Kings 19:32-34.

"Therefore, this is what the LORD says concerning the king of Assyria:

"He will not enter this city or shoot an arrow near here. He will not come before it with a shield or build a siege ramp against it. By the way that he came he will return; he will not enter this city, declares the LORD. I will defend this city and save it, for my sake and for the sake of David my servant."

Genisis 1:3-5.

"And God said, "Let there be light, " and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he seperated the light from the darkness. God called the light, "day, " and the darkness he called, "night." And there was evening, and there was morning----the first day."
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Activities.

Now, I will put up a bible verse for you to read. And then, fill out the Questions in a Reply. Replace the _____ with bold letters.

The Good Samritan.

Luke 10:30-37.
In Reply, Jesus said, "A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he fell into the hands of robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, he passed by on the other side. But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, took him to an inn and took care of him. The next day he took out two silver coins and gave them to the innkeeper. 'Look after him, ' he said, 'and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.' "Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the mman who fell into the hands of the robbers?" The Expert in the law replied, "The one who had mercy on him." Jesus told him, "Go and do likewise."

QUESTIONS:

Why do you think the first two men passed by the man and left him to die? _______________________________________________________________________
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Why would it be difficult for the Samaritan to want to stop and help the Jew? ________________________________________________.


The Following Verses will help you understand how God wants you to look at others. In your own words, tell what the verses say.

Proverbs 17:17_______________________.

Luke 6:27-28________________________________.

Mark 12:31_________________________________________.
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[Syody offline]

Daisymay, this is a good idea, but you need to put something more.
You need to introduce something that people can do here, not just a "we can copy Bible verses down".
I'd suggest something like: "Read Matthew 11:15-17. What do you think these verses are trying to say?" type of thing.

[Darkborn offline]

*Cough* *Cough*

<----(Aethiest here)

[SamBlob offline]

*Cough* *Cough*

<----(Aethiest here)

That's *your* prerogative.

"'Meaningless! Meaningless!' says the Teacher. 'Utterly meaningless! Everything is meaningless!'" - Ecclesiastes 1:2

[Syody offline]

*Cough* *Cough*

<----(Aethiest here)

There was no reason for you to post that, Darkborn.
If you're an atheist, then you should stay out of a Christian club unless you're going to offer true conversation.
I don't mind debating and answering your questions.
I do mind you posting intolerant things.

As Daisymay said, this is a thread to post Bible verses (and yes, it's loads fun to drag one verse out of context). I was suggesting that she should offer a topic to discuss or something like that.

Edit: I see your point, Darkborn. After reading Daisymay's post int he ghosts thread, I agree with your feelings.
Disregard above text (in gray).

[Crazy_For_Christ. offline]

*Cough* *Cough*

<----(Aethiest here)

Then don't come here.

[Jeremified offline]

I'M A CHRISTIAN!!!

I go to a private Episcopalian school, yet I still feel like the only Christian there. So far there are at least three people that say they're there for a good education, NOT for Christian activity.

[Crazy_For_Christ. offline]

Is anybody gonna do the activities?

[. offline]

A Christian Club?



It's for the Peeps

lol seriously I thought this was gonna be a fan club for Christian Cage.

EDIT: Because I should be reading the bible more....

Why do you think the first two men passed by the man and left him to die? Same reason anyone else doesn't help another person "Someone else will do it." They fear trying to help.


Why would it be difficult for the Samaritan to want to stop and help the Jew? It shouldn't be difficult at all. It's another human being in pain that needs help, religion has no say in the matter.

[Mewberries151]

Alright everyone...this thread is going to be given a trial run (although if StarWay or any of the other Admin or Mods see fit to lock it now, it's up to them...I'm PM-ing StarWay about this though to double-check).

If fights start breaking out here, or there is "down-putting" and/or "religious scapegoats" or anything else that is innappropriate, rude, hurtful, or any of the above posted here by anyone, it will be locked. Just a friendly warning alright?

[oddsgrlfriend offline]

I am a Roman Catholic I went to a Christian School from 1st to 8th grade. I got the Christian Service Award 3 years strait. I am strong in my beliefs. Just wanted to make that clear to Daisymay. My favorite verse is a mix that I offen tell myself. I don't the verse # so I'll copy it down.

'My God my God why have you forsaken me? Although I walk in the valley of death I fear no evil for you are at my side. Your rod and your staff my comfort and my hope.'

[4lpha0mega offline]

Question- have any of you ever been given any kind of reason to believe in god... other than your family's beliefs....

[TB3]

Hmm - I'm a Christian by both birth and choice - that said I'm not a bible-thumper, nor have I ever read the entire text - I prefer to follow the ideals and spirit of Christianity, and personally think all faiths are equal - some Pagans I talked to summed it up best with the phrase "all gods are the same."

I also generally have a problem with people who like to toss out bible-quotes - I feel the text is not the definitive word of God, and that whoever we are we find the divine within us and nowhere else.

The main problem I have with this thread is that it might provoke infighting in LF - if everyone starts grouping up in religious camps then it might threaten the integrity of the forum.

That said, the mods have given it a go-ahead, so I'll go with the flow and see where this goes.

[. offline]

Question- have any of you ever been given any kind of reason to believe in god... other than your family's beliefs....

it's because the thought of the Atheist Death (I.E. just rotting in the ground) scares the crap out of me so I need to believe in God or I'm gonna be a wreck. like TB3 said, I am by no means a bible thumper. To be frank, I don't trust the text fully because it's been written by humans. And who knows what has been changed in it over the years (especially in the middle ages when the church was at it's most corrupted point) for that matter I don't trust the church either.

Eddie Guerrero (R.I.P.) said it best "You religion should be about your relationship with the Lord and nobody elses."

[darktemplar offline]

I will not do the activities, because they are just too simple... I think I will prepare something from Revelation, or from Letters.

Hebrews 9:24-26
For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, [which are] the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us. Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Can anyone explain why are masses needed?

Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any [thing] that is done under the sun.

People don't go to any heaven Anyway, Bible says they do not(some do, but this is much more complicated thing).

[Crazy_For_Christ. offline]

Question- have any of you ever been given any kind of reason to believe in god... other than your family's beliefs....

Well, because God loved us first. Not because we're scared of H***. It's because God loved us first and he still does.

And TB3, there is only ONE God.


Also, I was at a part today [Friday, April 13, 2006.] It was a B-Day party for my friend Kayla. Well, when I went behind the bleaches there was this kid. I asked him, "What are you doing?" He replied, "I onno." I asked, "Wanna play fottball with us?" He replied, "I onno." Then I looked into his eyes, and I thought I saw q firey red color. Fear sprang into me and I ran away, then two toddlers were chasing me and I was scared to death. I started thinking the boy was like evil or something. [Know what I mean?] But, I stopped doing that. Do ya know what happened?

[TB3]

Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any [thing] that is done under the sun.

People don't go to any heaven Anyway, Bible says they do not(some do, but this is much more complicated thing).

Question 1 - Why are you happy that people do not go to heaven?

Question 2 - have you considered 'the dead' here might very well mean the spiritual dead - a limbo or purgatory of sorts?

Question 3 - like ThePepsiPiper said, why do you trust the Bible as 'immaculate' - it has been edited and 'reinterpreted' as a tool of control throughout the centuries and thus sullied by human hands - also Christ himself said to trust in the spirit of the law of Moses, rather than the word, which I take as meaning 'follow what your heart commands, and keep what others tell you in mind, rather than accept their commands in full'. i.e. - your personal interpretation has a lot of value.

Daisymay - I acknowledge one God, who is ALL gods - Yahweh, Christ, Allah, Zeus, Osiris, Gaia, Pachakamac etc - I acknowledge the God, the divine power, who has been worshipped and loved and feared by humanity since the dawn of our race, and thousands of years before a man was nailed to a cross on Golgotha.

Also, regarding your encounter on the beach I have a little suggestion - seek and ye shall find i.e. go looking for signs of 'demonic posession' and you will see them - in short, it's an attribute which the early church dissaproved of called Human Imagination.

My last point, for your consideration - if you look at the portrayal of God in the Bible, he's frankly a jerk - how do you relate this to the vision we are asked to follow of an all-loving father figure?

[Crazy_For_Christ. offline]

My last point, for your consideration - if you look at the portrayal of God in the Bible, he's frankly a jerk - how do you relate this to the vision we are asked to follow of an all-loving father figure?

I think I know what you're saying. And you should stay out of here. God isn't a Jerk! How dare you say that!?

[KayLenny#7 offline]

My last point, for your consideration - if you look at the portrayal of God in the Bible, he's frankly a jerk - how do you relate this to the vision we are asked to follow of an all-loving father figure?

I think I know what you're saying. And you should stay out of here. God isn't a Jerk! How dare you say that!?

At the risk of sounding rude, people are allowed to have different opinions than you. Your opinion is not the law.

[The BB of C offline]

I think I'm going to start coming around here. Personally, I think we should let him say what he thinks. I think I see his point in saying that. But basically, here's how I see things now with God. He used to be vengeful, now he is all loving. Well, he always was all-loving, just more now than before.
Okay, that's a really vauge analysis, but I don't know any other way to put it. Please help me fill in the void

I've got a question.
I think that there is one ultimate sin. Mortal sin. A lot of people thoughout my life have told me that it is the one unforgiveable sin. I believe them. But a lot of people tell me that it is not unforgiveable. What do you think?

[TB3]

My last point, for your consideration - if you look at the portrayal of God in the Bible, he's frankly a jerk - how do you relate this to the vision we are asked to follow of an all-loving father figure?

I think I know what you're saying. And you should stay out of here. God isn't a Jerk! How dare you say that!?

At the risk of sounding rude, people are allowed to have different opinions than you. Your opinion is not the law.

Thanks Numbah 7, it's nice to see open-minded people in discussions of faith rather than just hardliners.

Daisymay, I don't think God's a jerk - what I mean is that God as depicted in the bible is a jerk - simply because he seems to put souls on earth in the knowledge that they will go to hell and does not try to avert that fate - a fate he determined for the majority of the world's population when he chose the Israelites and later the Christian sect as his 'chosen people'. That's just one point, but when I lie in bed at night trying to resolve my crises of faith, that's the one that appears the most in my mind.

I said I'm a Christian remember - I just differ in my perspective on it from you - I believe Christ died to allow humanity to start again - voided of the Original Sin we can thus be judged on our merits alone - and crucially our own convictions - the reasons WHY we do things rather than soley WHAT we do.

BBOFC: IMO opinion, Sin is Sin - all sins are fatal, and the seven deadly ones are identified as 'root' sins - the ones from which all others stem - the interesting thing is that in strict religious dogma it is impossible to not sin - we all apparently carry Adam's first crime within us and will be dammed for it, and if we commit one of the deadly sins we are classified as committing all seven and will be dammed accordingly - it's a trap from which we cannot escape, except through repentance and forgiveness, which all faiths seem to hang on, except for Buddism with the wonderful concept of Karma, a universal divine justice.

[The BB of C offline]

I don't like Buddhism at all. It's a bit hypocritical if you think about it.
I knew sin was sin. I knew you could repent and be forgiven. I knew all of that stuff that you said. But it was Mortal sin that was the particular sin in question here. People tell me it is ultimate, others tell me that it can be atoned for and thus one could avoid hell. I wanted to know what you thought about that particular sin, not all of it.

[TB3]

I don't like Buddhism at all. It's a bit hypocritical if you think about it.
I knew sin was sin. I knew you could repent and be forgiven. I knew all of that stuff that you said. But it was Mortal sin that was the particular sin in question here. People tell me it is ultimate, others tell me that it can be atoned for and thus one could avoid hell. I wanted to know what you thought about that particular sin, not all of it.

This is all variable depending on your specific face of course, but my thought is that God is love, and God is forgiveness - no sin is too great to escape divine mercy (c'mon, it's divine! ) - the deciding factor I suppose is the repentence - which is kind of difficult since we must regret our actions to repent, and the act of regret is also deemed a sin - now there's a contradiction for ya'!

Again I feel the divine is something we find in ourselves - go to church, the temple, the shrine, the synagogue etc, but in the end you must find your vision of God within you, and it is before that God where repentance happens.

[The BB of C offline]

Interesting. So you think it's forgivable?

[TB3]

Interesting. So you think it's forgivable?

Remind me again what counts as 'mortal sin', I'm kinda iffy on the subject - but in a nutshell yes, if all sins are equally damning - then everything from saying 'f**k' to going on a homicidal rampage counts as a one-way ticket to hell, so therefore forgiveness must apply to all surely.