Let's Talk Tech II - Over a year of Tech! :)

[TB3]

Nope - the amount of data in the human body (if it's one byte per atom) is 10 to the power of 28 bytes!

[Sithking Zero offline]

Well, if we go with the theroy that with each return to the past, there's more power added, umm...

You know, maybe the screenshot isn't cannon.

[Cassius335 offline]

Nope - the amount of data in the human body (if it's one byte per atom) is 10 to the power of 28 bytes!

There's preseumably some sort of compression routine...

[Chosen_one offline]

Yeah... like they put you in a WinZip file or something...

Aelita.zip
FranzHopper.zip
XANA.exe
Yumi.zip
Odd.zip
Ulrich.zip

Is it possible to put a .zip inside of a .zip?

Maybe the supercomputer doesn't store the human body. Maybe it just stores the DNA (which is still a lot).

[Cassius335 offline]

Is it possible to put a .zip inside of a .zip?

Yes, but there wouldnt be any further compression, I believe...

[Reesane offline]

Maybe the supercomputer doesn't store the human body. Maybe it just stores the DNA (which is still a lot).

It would have to store a little more information than that, otherwise... don't think about it to hard! Any way, it is posible that the super computer reconstructs them for there DNA and other stored information(Memory exc.).

But that file is still huge...


Maby... Na, I'd best keep meta physics out of this discusion.

[Cassius335 offline]

Wait... the ghosts help with processing... why not storage?

[TB3]

Maybe the supercomputer doesn't store the human body. Maybe it just stores the DNA (which is still a lot).

It would have to store a little more information than that, otherwise... don't think about it to hard! Any way, it is posible that the super computer reconstructs them for there DNA and other stored information(Memory exc.).

That wouldn't work - DNA alone will not give you a replica of the person as they were prior to scanning, you need a full molecular scan.

[Jeremified offline]

Maybe the supercomputer doesn't store the human body. Maybe it just stores the DNA (which is still a lot).

It would have to store a little more information than that, otherwise... don't think about it to hard! Any way, it is posible that the super computer reconstructs them for there DNA and other stored information(Memory exc.).

That wouldn't work - DNA alone will not give you a replica of the person as they were prior to scanning, you need a full molecular scan.

Yes, in fact, some geniuses in Texas cloned a cat, and it came out different despite identical DNA.

[Cassius335 offline]

Maybe the supercomputer doesn't store the human body. Maybe it just stores the DNA (which is still a lot).

It would have to store a little more information than that, otherwise... don't think about it to hard! Any way, it is posible that the super computer reconstructs them for there DNA and other stored information(Memory exc.).

That wouldn't work - DNA alone will not give you a replica of the person as they were prior to scanning, you need a full molecular scan.

Some sort of Cell System Identifier, maybe? say "This is what this kind of Cell looks like and it goes here and here and..." (Repeat as needed) Instead of recording the same cell over and over?

[Reesane offline]

Maybe the supercomputer doesn't store the human body. Maybe it just stores the DNA (which is still a lot).

It would have to store a little more information than that, otherwise... don't think about it to hard! Any way, it is posible that the super computer reconstructs them for there DNA and other stored information(Memory exc.).

That wouldn't work - DNA alone will not give you a replica of the person as they were prior to scanning, you need a full molecular scan.

That's what I said.

[mooshie offline]

call me crazy but I'm pretty sure that's just another way of saying, getting the vDNA, sorry if it's a completely stupid suggestion

[Jeremified offline]

Is it possible to put a .zip inside of a .zip?

Yes, but it can't compress it any more than it already is unless the zips are compressed using different formats, in which case they might get smaller.

[TB3]

Well actually, last night's rerun of 'Just in Time' helped me considerably.

Yumi asked if the hair Jeremie materialized contained Aelita's DNA - Jeremie clarified and said it contained her computer code in 'a well known fractal' that emulates DNA.

So: DNA = Biological Data
vDNA = Computer Code configured in a Quadruple-Helix formation.

DNA does not play a part in generating a body on Lyoko, or in materializing one in a scanner - the reason is this:

There is a common misinterpretation that DNA changes as you grow, recording every change that goes on in your body - this is wrong.

The DNA you got when Dad's sperm met Mum's egg is the same DNA as you'll have when you die - DNA determines things such as eye colour, blood type and the general way in which your body will develop i.e. it lays down the parameters.

HOWEVER, your body will then develop in a wholly different way depending on your lifestyle - diet, environment etc all change the parameters laid down by DNA, without changing the DNA itself.

So, if we wanted to get a person out of a scanner using DNA alone, the supercomputer would have to know EVERY single aspect of their life to date, and have to know how to incorporate the effects of that lifestyle into the changes that occur to the body.

Basically, it gets overcomplicated.

Therefore the best way for the scanner to operate is to record the location, spin and properties of every atom in your body - remember we know it does this already with any clothing inserted into the scanners.

Now, based on what we see in the show I have a theory:

When you are scanned, the molecular data is encoded in a DNA fractal which gives you a double-helix of vDNA.

This is then combined with ANOTHER vDNA double-helix which contains all of the data needed for the person to exist on Lyoko - weapons, powers, annex and locomotion programs etc.

So we now have a 4-helix vDNA strand, containing all of your Human and all of your Lyokan data - all that has to happen now is for parts of the human data to be suppressed and superceded by the Lyokan data, and then the vDNA can be fed into Lyoko's particle simulation system to generate an avatar.

Hope that helps.

PS: Sorry that I haven't been around of late but some of the S3 spoilers I know have a bearing on LTT and I'm worried that I might start talking tech and then spill the beans.

[Cassius335 offline]

PS: Sorry that I haven't been around of late but some of the S3 spoilers I know have a bearing on LTT and I'm worried that I might start talking tech and then spill the beans.

Quite alright. I'm just wondering if the "well known fractal" can be identified.

[TB3]

PS: Sorry that I haven't been around of late but some of the S3 spoilers I know have a bearing on LTT and I'm worried that I might start talking tech and then spill the beans.

Quite alright. I'm just wondering if the "well known fractal" can be identified.

Probably not, I reckon it's fictional myself.

And re what was said earlier - I doubt the computer zips incoming data from the scanners, because:

A: That data has to constantly be open for access
B: It seems unsafe to add yet another data-manipulation stage to the transfer proceedure.

[YDV offline]

I thought we figured this out already. o__O; Maybe it's just me. But yes, I agree with that. (SPOILER. <s>Who else watched the first ep? Didn't that new superscan like -scream- ZPS? xD</s>)

[Chosen_one offline]

How can you watch the first episode?

[Sithking Zero offline]

I suppose you might be able to find a copy online somewhere... but there are screenshots online.

[Cassius335 offline]

PS: Sorry that I haven't been around of late but some of the S3 spoilers I know have a bearing on LTT and I'm worried that I might start talking tech and then spill the beans.

Quite alright. I'm just wondering if the "well known fractal" can be identified.

Probably not, I reckon it's fictional myself.

And re what was said earlier - I doubt the computer zips incoming data from the scanners, because:

A: That data has to constantly be open for access
B: It seems unsafe to add yet another data-manipulation stage to the transfer proceedure.

I can only answer the first of those: My laptop has no trouble getting at Zipped data, because Winzip seems to be part of this version of Explorer

How can you watch the first episode?

Dairall put links in the disccusion thread for the Ep.

[Cassius335 offline]

So... Episode 2 of Season 3. How exactly did Xana do that?

[TB3]

I think he probably deleted the Way Tower, cutting off the data streams that support the Forest Sector, which was held in the RAM for a few seconds and then...blinked out.

[Cassius335 offline]

Hmm. Okay, let me see if I've got this straight. From the Heart (within Carthage) to the Way Tower, from the Way Tower to te rest of the sector?

So, maybe the Forest Sectors data is still in the Heart, but without the program represented by the Way Tower, there's no way for that data to materialise?

Besides not having done it before, what's stopping Aelita and/or Jeremie from making a new Way Tower, maybe using one from another sector as a template?

[YDV offline]

Um. Jeremie's not that good yet. xD; Seriously. I'm not entirely sure if the Sector's data is still in the Heart... cuz they kinda made it seem like it was gone forever. But I'm not really sure.

I think that's probably the best explanation for what happened, yes. (Remember when Aelita fell out of the tower...?)

[Cassius335 offline]

Um. Jeremie's not that good yet. xD; Seriously. I'm not entirely sure if the Sector's data is still in the Heart... cuz they kinda made it seem like it was gone forever. But I'm not really sure.

I think that's probably the best explanation for what happened, yes. (Remember when Aelita fell out of the tower...?)

It's quite possible That XANA's deletion of the Way Tower didn't harm any data in the heart... and I don''t know if Jeremie has enough access to look inside the heart, so the core data for the Forest sector might be physically fine, but inactive.