Let's Talk Tech II - Over a year of Tech! :)

[Tangent128 offline]

So, to simplify, the computer scans the entire nervous system?
Then, the only "bridge" it would need is the ability to recognize the neurons that trigger muscles and react to stimuli (sight and hearing at least, depending on how many senses actually exist on Lyoko).
Virtual muscles, eyes, and ears don't seem too complicated to map to an avatar.
And, if necessary, the pleasure centers can be monitered by a virtual brain scan- we may not know how they work, but we know how to tell if they're activated.

Though this doesn't explain Telikinesis or Triplicate, unless they're activated by some gesture or tensing...

By the way, somebody mentioned "blocks" as being the Lyoko equivelent of a pixel- the technical term is "voxel"

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Voxel - never heard of that hmm...'blocks' are what Jeremie referred to in 'Frontier' though so we might as well use the show's terminology - thanks for the new bit of info though

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[Chupathingy 42 offline]

So, to simplify, the computer scans the entire nervous system?
Then, the only "bridge" it would need is the ability to recognize the neurons that trigger muscles and react to stimuli (sight and hearing at least, depending on how many senses actually exist on Lyoko).
Virtual muscles, eyes, and ears don't seem too complicated to map to an avatar.
And, if necessary, the pleasure centers can be monitered by a virtual brain scan- we may not know how they work, but we know how to tell if they're activated.

Though this doesn't explain Telikinesis or Triplicate, unless they're activated by some gesture or tensing...

By the way, somebody mentioned "blocks" as being the Lyoko equivelent of a pixel- the technical term is "voxel"

Well, that could be explained many ways on WHY it works, but as to how, your brain sends a command to the computer to either "fire weapon" or "activate active powerâ€

[Cassius335 offline]

So, to simplify, the computer scans the entire nervous system?
Then, the only "bridge" it would need is the ability to recognize the neurons that trigger muscles and react to stimuli (sight and hearing at least, depending on how many senses actually exist on Lyoko).
Virtual muscles, eyes, and ears don't seem too complicated to map to an avatar.
And, if necessary, the pleasure centers can be monitered by a virtual brain scan- we may not know how they work, but we know how to tell if they're activated.

You're forgetting one thing: Speech (hence the last couple of pages)

[JeremieCompNerd offline]

But speech is only based on what you force the muscles to do, so if the computer is capable of recognising the movement commands of the arm, it can also recognise the movement commands of the lips, tongue, jaws, and throat.

[Cassius335 offline]

Yeah... if you don't mind being an unintelligible mute.

[Chupathingy 42 offline]

Actually, JeremieCompNerd is right, speech is just sound that has become standardized and accepted as meaning something. GRANTED, if you don’t’ think they have organs in Lyoko, then you would go under the assumption that the computer can make the sounds for you biased off what you would normally be making (this would basically be a program that replicated your vocal cords and the way your mouth would be in to make a sound or word… it just happens your mouth is in that shape too. It could also be that an avatar has full anatomy and we just don’t see it… but I’m leaning to it’s a simulation. (The Program can be specialized to your voice biased on your physical and mental parameters gained in the scan

[Sithking Zero offline]

I have two questions:

One: in season one, there are times when Jeremie is not at the computer to do a return to the past ("Taelia (NOT THE LF'ER!)", "Laughing Fit") and yet, they still occur. Yet, in season two, Jeremie or someone else has to manually set one up. What gives?

Two: Why do they need avatars anyway? Wouldn't it have been more convenient and practical to just have a simple point-and-click user interface like windows or mac?

[Cassius335 offline]

Actually, JeremieCompNerd is right, speech is just sound that has become standardized and accepted as meaning something. GRANTED, if you don’t’ think they have organs in Lyoko, then you would go under the assumption that the computer can make the sounds for you biased off what you would normally be making (this would basically be a program that replicated your vocal cords and the way your mouth would be in to make a sound or word… it just happens your mouth is in that shape too. It could also be that an avatar has full anatomy and we just don’t see it… but I’m leaning to it’s a simulation. (The Program can be specialized to your voice biased on your physical and mental parameters gained in the scan

What do you mean 'just sound'? Do you have... Oh, FORGET IT!

Why do you guys keep dismissing communication (in this case, between Avatars) as a minor side issue?

Two: Why do they need avatars anyway? Wouldn't it have been more convenient and practical to just have a simple point-and-click user interface like windows or mac?

"World Without Danger" ring a bell?

[Chupathingy 42 offline]

No...

Also, when you’re in the computer, unless you do something like Lyoko, it's not like anything you could describe.

Going to Lyoko also mainly for hiding, you could be a floating ball of light or you could be practical to interact with this world using a human form.

Does that make sense?

[Tangent128 offline]

Voxel - never heard of that hmm...'blocks' are what Jeremie referred to in 'Frontier' though so we might as well use the show's terminology - thanks for the new bit of info though

If they used that term, then stick with it... I've seen that episode twice, but I always missed the first few minutes...

...yeah, I did forget speech... it could be some sort of acoustical simulation, since we know that Lyoko has accurate enough physics in other respects, but didn't they say once that Lyoko had no air?

I think they know where the vocal centers of the brain are, but do different phonemes have recognizable patterns?

As far as Telekinesis and Triplicate, I was asking how the computer knows to activate them- Triplicate could be a vocal command, but Telekinesis is more complicated- and I forgot to add Creativity. Maybe Creativity works on the same system that avatar creation does, though.

[Reesane offline]

Speach is not a diffinitve "this word mearns this", it is an "I asoceat this sound with this meanning". thus, beacause speach is a sound asochated with an Idea, and because the SC Scans the entier brain, it will atomaticly know which idea is asoceated with which sound.

In other words, while Ulrich and Odd may hear the conversations in french, Yumi may actualy hear things in japanes.

I hope this helps.

[Chupathingy 42 offline]

Speach is not a diffinitve "this word mearns this", it is an "I asoceat this sound with this meanning". thus, beacause speach is a sound asochated with an Idea, and because the SC Scans the entier brain, it will atomaticly know which idea is asoceated with which sound.

In other words, while Ulrich and Odd may hear the conversations in french, Yumi may actualy hear things in japanes.

I hope this helps.

No it doesn't work that way. Yes, speech is just sounds that we accept, that’s about it. The speech/language center is for allowing you to speak, not control the language. You have to learn a language. If for no other reason, it probably wouldn’t work because languages like Japanese and French don't translate to each other perfectly. And that's only one of the possible reasons it doesn't work.

Basically Yumi speaks and hears French when talking to the others. If she wanted to, she could start yelling in Japanese, but normally doesn't (maybe because she's more comfortable with French)

Something like you are suggesting is belongs in Star Trek, not CL

(Sorry if I sound rude, I don’t mean to)

[Cassius335 offline]

Then how exactly DO they communicate with each other on Lyoko then?

[Chupathingy 42 offline]

Like on earth... well kinda

On Earth speech by moving air, vibrating your vocal cords, and forming your mouth in to shapes that make cretin sounds. The sounds come together to make syllables that form the word we know. Each language has different sounds and different meanings. For Example, earth in English is la terre, but la terre also can translate to ground. Since they are technically speaking in French, if they say it, which do they mean going to English? And what about to Japanese. Moreover, from English to Japanese it's also 2 different words. And that's just one word with similar or the same meaning (depending on how you use it) so an entire language to another in real time properly, and the fact that you need EVERY possible language... you can see why it's not easy to start with. Then need to make the computer be able to do just that. Sure, it's possible, but I just don't think very feasible.

Back to how they talk, instead of moving air and all that stuff like on earth, I am suggesting that you have a simple program that is run along with any other's when you are on Lyoko. This program simulates the sounds that would be made if you tried to talk. It is also synced to (if not also effected by) the mouth to add realization. This program is controlled by the same impulses that control your normal speech, and it gathers data on your unique voice by when a person is scanned, the data on your vocal cord that is of course collected when you are virtualized.

When they talk, the program replicates that corresponding sounds and it is projected in Lyoko from you, the other's hear this and that is of course sent to your brain where you memory is used to make since the noises, and tell you, "OH Aelita told me to duck"

I thought it was very simple... hum... It seems simple to me
Maybe just personal opinion

[Chad Rains offline]

I actually find the speech problem a simple concept: Just about everything in our body is controlled by our brain. This includes your mouth and vocal cords. This is exactly why we are able to learn and understand new words and languages. It's all stored in the brain and just output through vocal cords, mouth movements, etc..

The supercomputer already has pretty much a full 1:1 copy of the kid's atomic/molecular structure right down to their brains and thought patterns. I don't see why it is so difficult for the SC to do the work which is essentially done through the nervous system. The rest of the nervous system is pretty much taken care of on Lyoko (perfect example: movement. secondary example being 'A Great Day' where they actually felt the pain of the attacks which im sure was covered previously here.)

[Reesane offline]

Re-Reading trhue every thing, i relised that i had posted the solution to a difrent peoblem. Woops.

[Cassius335 offline]

I think my brain melted several posts back...

[Reesane offline]

I'm starting to get the fealing that we're missing the forist for it's trees.

[Rail Runner offline]

No...I dont think so...we are just trying to uncover certain ideas that might be useful later.

[Reesane offline]

I am starting to feal that their is some larger, underlying cosept that we're missing hear....

[Rail Runner offline]

Well..if we are missing something..one of us will catch it and bring it up.

But, they are able to speak of their own will...does that mess with the computer any...because they arent programmed and does the computer realize this and not bother with it..meh dumb questions but I am confused by that statement of their speech being an example of computer programming insight.

[JeremieCompNerd offline]

In the same way that the computer reads their virtual brain and realizes that they are trying to move their arm, it also realizes they are trying to move the mouth and the vocal cords in a specific pattern. The result is that it calculates the direction, speed, and distance they would have moved their arm on Earth, and mimics that movement with their Lyoko avatar. It also does the same with the "mouth" and "throught" of the person, runs a simulation to determine the sound that would be made by air passing that mouth and vocal cord position, and responds by creating that sound. The total end result - Aelita gasping as she points at the sciphazoa.

That clear things up just a little?

[Rail Runner offline]

Yes..thanks. I wonder what else we could dissect...I hope we can really get going on this.

[Cassius335 offline]

In the same way that the computer reads their virtual brain and realizes that they are trying to move their arm, it also realizes they are trying to move the mouth and the vocal cords in a specific pattern. The result is that it calculates the direction, speed, and distance they would have moved their arm on Earth, and mimics that movement with their Lyoko avatar. It also does the same with the "mouth" and "throught" of the person, runs a simulation to determine the sound that would be made by air passing that mouth and vocal cord position, and responds by creating that sound. The total end result - Aelita gasping as she points at the sciphazoa.

That clear things up just a little?

I'd debate the word 'realises' as that implys the entire Supercomputer is sentinent, not just XANA. 'determines', maybe.

And Reesane: Funny, I've been getting the exact opposite feeling.