Let's Talk Tech II - Over a year of Tech! :)

[Jazzy Josh offline]

Quiet possible since his mind was trapped on Lyoko

[TB3]

Right - saw the ep, and yes I have the answers, but I'm saving that for tommorrow.

What I have to say is this:

PLANK'S QUANTUM SPACE = ZERO POINT SPACE!

We were RIGHT! We were RIGHT!

YAHOOOOOOOOOOO!

[AmericanLyokoTeam offline]

I told you the gears were gonna spin like magic in his head. To me it sounded like irreferable gibberish, but maybe the magic man here can rectify what Jeremie said down into individual statments to further the LTT ideas.

When you get some time to go over it, TB3, maybe you can break down for us exactly what Jeremie said and explain how it fits.

[mooshie offline]

it is kind of interesting that this is completely reengineering scanning so we can hear about it,
such as when jeremie commented about overriding the heisenberg uncertainty principle(very similar to star trek)

[Cassius335 offline]

Pshh! Danny Phantom much?

Yes, but I refuse to accept Supernatural Phenomena as an explanation of Ulrich's state

Trouble is, to properly rule that out we'd need a ghost to use as a control subject (without knowing how a ghost works, we can't really say Ulrich isn't one).

[TB3]

it is kind of interesting that this is completely reengineering scanning so we can hear about it,
such as when jeremie commented about overriding the heisenberg uncertainty principle(very similar to star trek)

Yes indeed - freakishly Jeremie is suggesting using ZPS as a 'Heisenberg Compensator' (as seen in Star Trek) - the weird thing is that I thought the same thing might be possible some time ago.

As for Ulrich's 'ghost' - well I'm inclined to think it's just like those 'ghost timelines' we've been arguing about - a Quantum Imprint on ZPS which has some presence in reality - and note the use of 'Quantum Superimposition and Interferance' to possess Kiwi and Jim - lol, kinda similar to our theories on Paradox and Death by RTTP, no?

And I telephoned Jerome earlier and mentioned the similarity between 'Planck's Quantum Space' and 'Zero Point Space', to which he laughed and said that yes, we were right

VIVA LA LYOKOLOGISTS!

[TL.]

Who was the person that posted LTT on the official forums? Can you head back there to inform them that several of our theories have been confirmed by the show and Jerome?
eg:
Quantum dots
Plank's Quantum Space/Zero Point Space

I would head over there myself to inform the newbs of our Tech essay’s predication of the show’s mechanics, but you can’t register there anymore

[TB3]

I have a question about tonight's episode, which I could see, but not hear particularly well because of a bad microphone.

Did anyone say that 'people have turned to stone' or anything to that effect, because I've been trying to work out HOW XANA could have basically petrified a large area, and think it may be a case of slowing down all molecular activity to the point of zero (effectively freezing the person but maintaining the conciousness), for which the 'stoning' visual effect may be a metaphor, like how Ulrich had arms and a body yesterday as a ghost when we were told it was just 'his mind' that was present.

The advantage of slowing a person's molecular activity down would be that their weight would not change - I doubt Frozen Odd was a solid mass of stone as he was far too easy to lift and carry, and the only rocks of comparative lightness are extremely fragile (such as pumice).

Also, it allows the materialisation and fusing of Frozen Odd, and doesn't require that Jeremie somehow 'undo' the effect.

Just a thought - I'd love to hear your opinions.

[Reesane offline]

Most likly you are corect, TB3, but a thin layer of a materal could have been used to galvenise the bodys once frozen. This leads me to the conclusion that XANA may have wanted Team Lyoko and Co. ALIVE.

[Cassius335 offline]

As for Ulrich's 'ghost' - well I'm inclined to think it's just like those 'ghost timelines' we've been arguing about - a Quantum Imprint on ZPS which has some presence in reality - and note the use of 'Quantum Superimposition and Interferance' to possess Kiwi and Jim - lol, kinda similar to our theories on Paradox and Death by RTTP, no?

Er...not exactly. I'll accept that Ulrich's mind is a Quantum Imprint (it's clearly imprinted on something), but if what we saw was Interference, Ulrich interfered with Jim for several hours and only caused Jim to fall deeply asleep afterwards.

[TB3]

As for Ulrich's 'ghost' - well I'm inclined to think it's just like those 'ghost timelines' we've been arguing about - a Quantum Imprint on ZPS which has some presence in reality - and note the use of 'Quantum Superimposition and Interferance' to possess Kiwi and Jim - lol, kinda similar to our theories on Paradox and Death by RTTP, no?

Er...not exactly. I'll accept that Ulrich's mind is a Quantum Imprint (it's clearly imprinted on something), but if what we saw was Interference, Ulrich interfered with Jim for several hours and only caused Jim to fall deeply asleep afterwards.

Yes, but that was just Quantum Superimposition of one set of Quantum Impulses over another - Destructive Interferance occurs when you have two overlying timelines which conflict - which I'd like to point out is how processing occurs in Qubits and thus has a degree of plausibility.

And Reesane, a nice point - we saw the spectre enter the ground and leave as a gas so presumably they could emulate some properties of the natural strata, which according to a geology site I found seems to be sedimatary rocks in the Paris Basin.

EDIT: And er, can we not have the whole argument about 'Why People Die' again?

[Reesane offline]

Looking back at that post, I relised that it was a bit of a ramble...

Anyway-
The layer of sedement would have to be hard enough to prevent serios injory in case of a misshap, but breathble, to prevent suffecation(yes... I'm asuming that at some point they may need to breath inside their shells). This points to, as TB3 said, a type of edementary rock. Also, It would explane the loss of detailes in the petrafyed students(Ie. it appers that the mouth is coved by a flat plate).

[Cassius335 offline]

As for Ulrich's 'ghost' - well I'm inclined to think it's just like those 'ghost timelines' we've been arguing about - a Quantum Imprint on ZPS which has some presence in reality - and note the use of 'Quantum Superimposition and Interferance' to possess Kiwi and Jim - lol, kinda similar to our theories on Paradox and Death by RTTP, no?

Er...not exactly. I'll accept that Ulrich's mind is a Quantum Imprint (it's clearly imprinted on something), but if what we saw was Interference, Ulrich interfered with Jim for several hours and only caused Jim to fall deeply asleep afterwards.

Yes, but that was just Quantum Superimposition of one set of Quantum Impulses over another - Destructive Interferance occurs when you have two overlying timelines which conflict - which I'd like to point out is how processing occurs in Qubits and thus has a degree of plausibility.
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EDIT: And er, can we not have the whole argument about 'Why People Die' again?

But that argument is the main hole in your 'Destructive Interference' theory. Until the specific method is found and confirmed, it's basically handwaving.

I will restrict myself to: How are the two universes conflicting if not via Quantum impulses? I'm not clear on the difference.

[Sithking Zero offline]

My question, which I think is as hard to explain as the current ones, is how Ulrich, once he possessed Kiwi, gave a dog the ability to have human speach. That would require restructuring of the vocal cords, lungs, and mouth, to say the least. Yet the modifications were undone once Ulrich left his body. What's up with that?

[TB3]

My question, which I think is as hard to explain as the current ones, is how Ulrich, once he possessed Kiwi, gave a dog the ability to have human speach. That would require restructuring of the vocal cords, lungs, and mouth, to say the least. Yet the modifications were undone once Ulrich left his body. What's up with that?

The only explanation really is Artistic License - likewise how 'Jim' spoke in Ulrich's voice - the same could be said about Odd and Yumi retaining their own voices even in switched bodies.

The gag explanation I could give for Kiwi is that somehow his vocal chords have mutated to resemble those of a middle-aged woman, who's chords are well suited to animal noises but also (freakishly), a moody, sullen teenage boy

Likewise Artisitic License is the only explanation I can give for Reesane's comments on the 'mouthplates' etc.

[Reesane offline]

I have an explanation for why ulriches voice was comming out of kiwi.

Promose you won't flame me?

Ulrich neaded a physical host form to stablise himself. once he was inside of Kiwi, he could project his voice from Kiwi's mouth. This would mostlikly be caused by rudementary tellepathic abilitys. (Every one in ulrich was projecting at would hear his voice, every one elss might of only herd Kiwi barking.)

[Tangent128 offline]

So, was the ghost in the basement one of these "Quantum Imprints"?

Regarding the Way Towers... can a sector have multiple Way Towers? The Tower Xanlita tried to enter in "The Secret" was clearly not the same tower that was deleted in "Sabotage" - the first was in a canyon type thing, while the second was on the edge of a land mass.

Also, after hearing Jeremy's technobabble, I've concluded that Lyoko does not run on a conventional computer architecture with a central memory store, as addresses are absolute - no Uncertainty Principle to account for. Instead, I'm thinking that the data is constantly flowing from calculation to calculation. This constant movement, along with good ol' Quantum weirdness, would mean that one couldn't be certain about the location of a piece of data (say, Carthage) and could only guess. The Towers (and maybe some other system elements) represent objects that are specially marked so that the more conventional, non-Lyoko software can find them and the data they contain.

Also, since in Quantum computing every qubit involved in a calculation is modified by it, a constant stream of fresh qubits, set to "pure 0", "pure 1", ... "pure A" would have to be generated to keep the calculations from disintegrating. The Heart provides these fresh qubits, so its destruction would cause Lyoko to vanish into random noise. I don't think 'Code: XANA' deletes a Way Tower so much as implants it with a virus that scrambles the fresh qubits, causing destructive interference (had to use that term) with the rest of the sector, quickly erasing it instead of making it die with a whimper.

Why didn't Odd keep the teleportation?

[TB3]

I have an explanation for why ulriches voice was comming out of kiwi.

Promose you won't flame me?

Ulrich neaded a physical host form to stablise himself. once he was inside of Kiwi, he could project his voice from Kiwi's mouth. This would mostlikly be caused by rudementary tellepathic abilitys. (Every one in ulrich was projecting at would hear his voice, every one elss might of only herd Kiwi barking.)

It's a possibility I will say - in fact when you consider that Ulrich was out of phase with everything, how could he hear other sounds, except by some rudimentary telepathy.

This however is the basic 'Ghost' (the movie) problem - Ulrich walks through walls and can't touch physical objects, yet he doesn't sink through the floor!

Presumably he also walks up and down staircases (or at least can climb ladders and/or float) - otherwise how could he have left the factory and gone up and down various levels in Kadic.

And er Tangent - we have another theory as to how the Heisenberg Principle factored into getting into Carthage.

Put simply, Franz could have put a firewall on Carthage's access that only a 'pure' data-stream can pass (or the transporter) - the avatars are full of tiny Quantum Data Errors (due to Heisenberg's Principle) which would make them stand out (this also ties into Phase Shifting and immunity/reistance from/to XANA Possessions) and thus get rejected.

So, by using the properties of ZPS as a Heisenberg Compensator, Jeremie was able to clear those bugs out and thus bypass the firewalls.

When you think about it as well, the application of Quantum Mechanics to the software also emulates the application of Biology to Data Encoding (vDNA).

[mooshie offline]

the "it's not actually petrifying, it's freezing" argument is good but keep in mind petrified wood weighs as much as normal wood, and on earth it would be difficult to freeze something down to kelvin, seeing as in most parts even space isn't that cold

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[TB3]

the "it's not actually petrifying, it's freezing" argument is good but keep in mind petrified wood weighs as much as normal wood, and on earth it would be difficult to freeze something down to kelvin, seeing as in most parts even space isn't that cold

The reason why I argue against petrification/fossilization in the literal sense is because when I looked at the natural method of fossilizing organic matter(Permineralization), I found it's actually a very complex proceedure, and not a simple molecular change.

If the gas were a fossilisation gas it would have killed the subjects (and we know they had to be alive), because it requires first that the matter to be transformed has to be dead and partially decayed, and then requires that they be buried in rock under high pressure for several thousand years - multiple criteria have to be met in order to achieve a perfect fossil and I can't see XANA being able to do this in the space of a few seconds.

And hiya Wartonchan - welcome to the club - we few, we happy few, we band of idiots

[Gazzet offline]

The transporter is not their only in because if you remember when XANA took the form of Franz Hopper, XANA materialized them directly into sector 5. Also, as long as carthage and lyoko are both virtual, there will always be a way to bypass the system, it may just be very hard.

[TB3]

The transporter is not their only in because if you remember when XANA took the form of Franz Hopper, XANA materialized them directly into sector 5. Also, as long as carthage and lyoko are both virtual, there will always be a way to bypass the system, it may just be very hard.

Yes, and I'm suggesting that's what both XANA-Franz and Jeremie did, by compensating for the Heisenberg anomalies in the avatars that would mark the kids as data that normally would not be allowed free access to Carthage.

When we consider this, it actually suggests that Carthage has the perfect firewall - no data originating from outside the computer can enter it because of the inherant Heisenberg anomalies, suggesting it's impossible to hack.

[Keiji offline]

Okay... don't mind me if this has already been said, because I read two pages then got bored. ^^

The way I see the RTTP working: When Jeremie or Xana or whoever does an RTTP, the white light ball spreads out and resets everything to a previous state. It does not affect the supercomputer because that's where it comes from. Xana, Franz Hopper, Jeremie, Aelita, Odd, Ulrich and Yumi remember everything because they have been scanned, and their mind has been copied onto the supercomputer, so it overrides the state reset. This also explains why shutting down XANA would make Aelita faint before Season 3 - Aelita had her mind on the supercomputer but no copy in her actual body, so when the computer was shut off, she would literally lose her mind. When she recovered her "earth memories", what really happened was her mind was copied from the supercomputer to her body.

In "Nobody in Particular", the reverse happened. Ulrich's mind stayed on Earth and his body went to Lyoko. Without his mind, his body would do nothing, but Xana was able to possess it. Without his body, Ulrich went into the same state that Xana has always been. So why does Xana need to activate towers to leave the computer/internet as a ghost? I think the answer is he needs more power, as Ulrich simply possessed people and did the same things humans can do anyway. Xana gives a lot of extra versatility to people or things he possesses. Also, when Aelita deactivates a tower, any extra powers instantly leave the possession and polymorphic clones instantly disappear, but Xana's ghost does not instantly disappear, it takes time to go back into the computer/internet.

By the way, can someone fill me in on how Exertanium (sp?) works?

[AmericanLyokoTeam offline]

It's a room temperature superconductor (not to mention therefore has great magnetic properties) and it can manipulate the particles of ZPS, although I'm not exactly sure how. It's probably in the LTT essay that's floating around, or in the topic somewhere.

So anyway, what was with William remembering, even if he thought it was a dream, the events of "The Secret." Intentional 'message in a bottle' left by Jeremie, or perhaps some kind of non-destructing interference from the other time line? The later seems more likely because Jeremie never said anything, but then again, we didn't get an explaination of the removal of future flash until a season and 3/4 later. If the later is true of course, why hasn't it happened before, either? Such a puzzle.