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Does You Think William is Friend or Foe?

He's a cool guy; he seems to be nice
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Postby Saphire-089 » Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:41 pm

professor Tamsy Mk-2 wrote:When I look at William, all I see is a character whoose main purpose is to disrupt the relationship between Ulrich and Yumi, nothing more, nothing less. But I will admit, his almost becoming a Lyoko warrior even surprised me.



Maybe he will end up a member of the team, while secretly working for XANA, and betraying them in the end. a little like Teen Titans, with the whole Terra arc, the only difference William isn' t quite as insecure
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Postby Mewberries151 » Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:58 pm

AmericanLyokoTeam wrote:XANA lacks the subtlety to make a character like William. XANA is definitely more the 'big hammer' than the 'get a guy to gain your trust and then get knifed in the back' type. Plus there would have been an activated tower etc. Nah, William is his own man for that and the reasons above in this topic.


Hmmm...XANA's learned quite a bit though. "XANA's Kiss" was a decently subtle attack, so it's not like XANA doesn't have any skills in subtelty...he's sent clones/minions/polymorphs before to mess with the group. And William makes for a rather suspicious case.

AmericanLyokoTeam wrote:Interesting thing to remember, William has never been a posession victim yet. I wonder if this has any relevence at all.


However, he was turned into a "Xombie" in "Attack of the Zombies". Although this could be argued so as to eliminate suspicion. ^^

I'm more inclined to think that William is just a creep out of his own nature. From "New Order", we are told two things about him straight off.

1) He was kicked out of his old school.

2) He was kicked out of aforesaid school for posting letters all over the place...love letters (he argues).

Now...is it just me, or does posting love letters around sound like a terribly odd reason to get kicked out of school? Worth a suspension yes, but an expelling? Hmmmm....

My thinking is that either he's fibbing about the love letter thing entirely, or he's actually telling the truth (somewhat) and they were love letters, but not the kinds of ones any girl would want to receive. (*coughStalkercough*) And that's why he was expelled.

Considering certain things he's said and done to Yumi...it's decently plausible a theory, I'd say.
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Postby Sithking Zero » Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:07 pm

Or his love letters contained some content not suitable for a school environment Can someone say, Erotic love poetry?
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Postby AmericanLyokoTeam » Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:16 pm

That sounded like an excuse from moment one anyway, it's far morely likely he was expelled for behavioral issues from wherever he was from before, assuming he isn't an evil XANA minion. :nyeh!:
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Postby Sithking Zero » Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:21 pm

AmericanLyokoTeam wrote:That sounded like an excuse from moment one anyway, it's far morely likely he was expelled for behavioral issues from wherever he was from before, assuming he isn't an evil XANA minion. :nyeh!:


Yeah, doesn't anyone else find it suspicious that William shows up about the same time that Aelita starts living in the real world full-time? Not to mention he always wears red and black, colors that are almost universally attributed to XANA.
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Postby Vora Lyoko » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:11 pm

Sithking Zero wrote:Yeah, doesn't anyone else find it suspicious that William shows up about the same time that Aelita starts living in the real world full-time? Not to mention he always wears red and black, colors that are almost universally attributed to XANA.


I doubt Xana cares about colors.
But something tells me William will play a ginormous(Ugh, 3rd grade word) role in this season.
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Postby Mewberries151 » Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:29 pm

Vora wrote:
Sithking Zero wrote:Yeah, doesn't anyone else find it suspicious that William shows up about the same time that Aelita starts living in the real world full-time? Not to mention he always wears red and black, colors that are almost universally attributed to XANA.


I doubt Xana cares about colors.
But something tells me William will play a ginormous(Ugh, 3rd grade word) role in this season.


^^; And quite possibly the next...

This whole "dreams" thing though, makes me awfully suspicious... Hmmmm.... ^_-
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Postby AmericanLyokoTeam » Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:42 pm

You know, that's very interesting, the fact that he "remembers" the previous event quite possibly lends credit to the minion of XANA idea. You know, if that turned out the be the case, and they've been planning it for a long time, it would totally shock me anyway, despite reading the idea. It's something a clever theorist or a fanfic writer trying to besmirch William's name could come up with, but not something I'd have registered as ever happening in canon, esepcially after all the help he's been now.

I still think it's more likely he's just joining the gang, but it's fun to have alternate theories.
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Postby Ghost Guest » Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:46 pm

I really doubt William is a Xana's minion. And I hope he doesn't turn out to be one... that would be very cliché (having an ally revealed to be an enemy).
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Postby Mewberries151 » Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:46 pm

AmericanLyokoTeam wrote:You know, that's very interesting, the fact that he "remembers" the previous event quite possibly lends credit to the minion of XANA idea. You know, if that turned out the be the case, and they've been planning it for a long time, it would totally shock me anyway, despite reading the idea. It's something a clever theorist or a fanfic writer trying to besmirch William's name could come up with, but not something I'd have registered as ever happening in canon, esepcially after all the help he's been now.

I still think it's more likely he's just joining the gang, but it's fun to have alternate theories.


Well, I'm just looking at it this way...the team really hasn't experienced anyone "close" to the gang betraying them (Sissi in "XANA Awakens" doesn't quite count since they were all still newly friends).

This would be the biggest plot twist ever!!! X) Seriously...not only would it hurt Yumi especially (and seriously peeve off Ulrich), but Odd would feel betrayed and so would Jeremie and Aelita, because they trusted him to.

Heh...I admittedly may be a little biased about this...but it would make for one heck of an episode, especially with one with such a dramatic title as "Final Round". o.o

XD I spent about 5 minutes after watching this episode trying to figure out if there was anyway William Dunbar's name was an anagram for something XANA-related. X) Seriously...pulling a "Tom Riddle" would be...amazing. :*D
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Postby Reesane » Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:52 pm

Look for an anogram generator on the web, see what you can find......

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Postby Tom Bone » Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:47 pm

Well, I guess it'll all come down to the season finale (today) to see if my hypothesys is correct.
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Postby LadyLucy » Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:06 pm

Mewberries151 wrote:
AmericanLyokoTeam wrote:You know, that's very interesting, the fact that he "remembers" the previous event quite possibly lends credit to the minion of XANA idea. You know, if that turned out the be the case, and they've been planning it for a long time, it would totally shock me anyway, despite reading the idea. It's something a clever theorist or a fanfic writer trying to besmirch William's name could come up with, but not something I'd have registered as ever happening in canon, esepcially after all the help he's been now.

I still think it's more likely he's just joining the gang, but it's fun to have alternate theories.


Well, I'm just looking at it this way...the team really hasn't experienced anyone "close" to the gang betraying them (Sissi in "XANA Awakens" doesn't quite count since they were all still newly friends).

This would be the biggest plot twist ever!!! X) Seriously...not only would it hurt Yumi especially (and seriously peeve off Ulrich), but Odd would feel betrayed and so would Jeremie and Aelita, because they trusted him to.

Heh...I admittedly may be a little biased about this...but it would make for one heck of an episode, especially with one with such a dramatic title as "Final Round". o.o

XD I spent about 5 minutes after watching this episode trying to figure out if there was anyway William Dunbar's name was an anagram for something XANA-related. X) Seriously...pulling a "Tom Riddle" would be...amazing. :*D


That would be awesome and horriable all at the same time...(yay for Harry Potter/C.L. mix-ups!!)
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Postby Writing_Addict » Mon Oct 23, 2006 3:14 pm

Mewberries151 wrote:XD I spent about 5 minutes after watching this episode trying to figure out if there was anyway William Dunbar's name was an anagram for something XANA-related. X) Seriously...pulling a "Tom Riddle" would be...amazing. :*D



Well heres my theory. What's William Dunbar backwards?

Mailliw Rabnud.


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Postby Reesane » Mon Oct 23, 2006 3:41 pm

I've got it!

The reson william still remebers helping yumi is because the super computer had been damaged erlyer! the RTTP must have malfuntioned, so william's subconsuse retained some memory of the eventsd which took place! :D
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Postby LadyLucy » Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:54 pm

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Mewberries151 wrote:XD I spent about 5 minutes after watching this episode trying to figure out if there was anyway William Dunbar's name was an anagram for something XANA-related. X) Seriously...pulling a "Tom Riddle" would be...amazing. :*D



Well heres my theory. What's William Dunbar backwards?

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Postby AmericanLyokoTeam » Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:40 pm

Anybody else in this thread feeling a little prophetic after today's episode?
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Postby Reesane » Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:44 pm

Reesane wrote:I have my own Ideas....

William might become a host for XANA latter, but it's unlikly.


Yes..... Now that you mention it.....

I also feel very creeped out.... I was thinking XANA might use William as a host for sence near his introduction in S2.
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Postby Mewberries151 » Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:57 pm

AmericanLyokoTeam wrote:Anybody else in this thread feeling a little prophetic after today's episode?


Haha...sort of. I was half right, I guess. X) Not sure if that's something I should be happy about...or not so much since that means the Lyoko group has one heck of a fight coming up now. Heh...I'll go with a "reserved pat on the back". *snickers* ^^

Reesane wrote:I've got it!

The reson william still remebers helping yumi is because the super computer had been damaged erlyer! the RTTP must have malfuntioned, so william's subconsuse retained some memory of the eventsd which took place! :D


Good theory, but "Sabotage" occured after "The Secret". The Super Computer wasn't damaged when they did the RTTP that wiped William's memory.

Heh...I guess then, that his dreams were just that...unless of course XANA did something to help him remember because he wanted a pawn. But there's no way to prove that, so I'll just go with, "He really doesn't forget anything". ^^;
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Postby Reesane » Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:00 pm

I was talking about "False Lead"

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Postby Mewberries151 » Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:01 pm

Reesane wrote:I was talking about "False Lead"

jeremie: "The super computer has taken a prity bad hit-"


They RTTP-ed after that too though, which presumably fixed all of the damage since they had no trouble at all afterwards until, of course, "Sabotage".
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Postby Writing_Addict » Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:27 pm

Well today's episode just proves a minion of Xana. (Now)
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Postby Tom Bone » Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:09 am

AmericanLyokoTeam wrote:Anybody else in this thread feeling a little prophetic after today's episode?


Did anyone else see that huge XANA logo on Will's chest when the SC was off? :omg:
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Postby Ghost Guest » Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:06 am

Tom Bone wrote:
AmericanLyokoTeam wrote:Anybody else in this thread feeling a little prophetic after today's episode?


Did anyone else see that huge XANA logo on Will's chest when the SC was off? :omg:


That's because William has become XANA's permanent host body. :horns:
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Postby Writing_Addict » Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:52 am

ese mae wrote:
Tom Bone wrote:
AmericanLyokoTeam wrote:Anybody else in this thread feeling a little prophetic after today's episode?


Did anyone else see that huge XANA logo on Will's chest when the SC was off? :omg:


That's because William has become XANA's permanent host body. :horns:


I think so...I'm not sure.
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