Season 3 Episode 13: Final Round (Last Round in French)

[MY85 offline]

It was a rookie mistake. Had it not been his first time losing his Lyoko virginity he would of been more serious.

No Offense, but I expected that from you...

Indeed maybe it was a "Rookie Mistake" but he was warned multiple times. How does somehow go on about that?

I would listen if some told me NOT to jump off a cliff without any safety device. (Which is suicide unless out of some miracle I survived. O.O)

You're right, but that's a bit extreme for an example.

[Blueyedblonde offline]

I felt really bad for William when Yumi said "I knew trusting you was a bad idea". I mean, sure he couldn't really hear her, but now is it is fault that he's been possessed by XANA and being used to destroy Lyoko? No. He didn't know the Scyphozoa would do that, and tired to fight it (which like everyone else he didn't do too well in).

No way. They warned him. Several times. Jeremie told him to get away and that the Scyphozoa was dangerous, and he didn't listen. It doesn't matter that he didn't know "what" it would do to him...he didn't listen to someone telling him that he was in grave danger. That's like someone telling someone not to jump out of a plane without a parachute because it's dangerous, and the person does it anyway because they think it'll be a thrill. Would you blame the person who warned the jumper then? ^^

He just wasn't able to take Lyoko seriously...it was a game to him. And he didn't listen to the people he should have when he was clearly in over his head.

Yumi is understandably disappointed because she knew then that it was the end of Lyoko...and it was William's fault because he didn't listen to the warnings they gave him. I mean...think of how hurtful that is to her...she cast the deciding vote on letting him in...Yumi takes responsibility to heart...in her eyes, she probably sees Lyoko being destroyed (and William's being "lost" with it) as somewhat her fault, in a way. *hugs Yumi*

It was a rookie mistake. Had it not been his first time losing his Lyoko virginity he would of been more serious.

That's not a good excuse. All of the members were new at one point, and they didn't act like it was a big joke. William had it coming.

[X.A.N.A offline]

That's not a good excuse. All of the members were new at one point, and they didn't act like it was a big joke. William had it coming.

Ok, so they weren't as 'wow, what can I do?' as William but don't forget Odd almost shot Ulrich when he accidentally shot a Lazer Arrow in "XANA Awakens". Heck Ulrich hadn't a clue how to kill Bloks until he got lucky and hit the eye.

[MY85 offline]

That's not a good excuse. All of the members were new at one point, and they didn't act like it was a big joke. William had it coming.

Ok, so they weren't as 'wow, what can I do?' as William but don't forget Odd almost shot Ulrich when he accidentally shot a Lazer Arrow in "XANA Awakens". Heck Ulrich hadn't a clue how to kill Bloks until he got lucky and hit the eye.

Fairly a good point, but William was bragging too much about his skills. He was good, but he had way too much power for being a Lyoko warrior.

Every good point any William defender can make, most U/Y shippers will tear it down to pieces.

[knifey offline]

C'mon, it's a bit too harsh to be telling William he deserved to have his life taken away for being arrogant. In the prequel when they were hanging on the edge of the platform in the tower Odd said that Ulrich should have let go of his sword to lighten the weight, but Ulrich didn't want to. They were lucky the tower doesn't drop into the void.

[Writing_Addict offline]

It was a rookie mistake. Had it not been his first time losing his Lyoko virginity he would of been more serious.

No Offense, but I expected that from you...

Indeed maybe it was a "Rookie Mistake" but he was warned multiple times. How does somehow go on about that?

I would listen if some told me NOT to jump off a cliff without any safety device. (Which is suicide unless out of some miracle I survived. O.O)

You're right, but that's a bit extreme for an example.

Meh..yeah I guess it is. ^_^

So...*strokes cat while sitting in rocking chair* how can this lead into S4? Many ways....

[Mewberries151]

C'mon, it's a bit too harsh to be telling William he deserved to have his life taken away for being arrogant. In the prequel when they were hanging on the edge of the platform in the tower Odd said that Ulrich should have let go of his sword to lighten the weight, but Ulrich didn't want to. They were lucky the tower doesn't drop into the void.

That would have left Ulrich defenseless...and it wouldn't have mattered much since Odd likely weighed more than the sword. *sweatdrop*

Also, I'm not saying that he deserved to have his life taken away (which it physically isn't, his freewill however...). But it's not fair to say that it's the Lyoko gang's fault or that they shouldn't be mildly upset with him for being careless and losing them Lyoko.

They were obviously not happy that he'd disappeared with Lyoko, anyway though. The scene at the end proved that.

That's not a good excuse. All of the members were new at one point, and they didn't act like it was a big joke. William had it coming.

Ok, so they weren't as 'wow, what can I do?' as William but don't forget Odd almost shot Ulrich when he accidentally shot a Lazer Arrow in "XANA Awakens". Heck Ulrich hadn't a clue how to kill Bloks until he got lucky and hit the eye.

So, yes, that's a rookie mistake. But they still weren't bragging about knowing how to "play the game".

I may need to re-watch this episode, but I'm pretty sure by the time Jeremie told William to get his ass outta there, he was already in the Scyphozoa's clutches.

I believe he warns him at least twice to get away before the Scyphy gets him.

He even says, "Oh don't worry, it's stopped moving, maybe it's given up-"

They warned him! And he didn't listen? Whose fault is it but his own in that respect?

[Writing_Addict offline]

They warned him! And he didn't listen? Whose fault is it but his own in that respect?

I think Xana expected that to happen. Now I know why he was such an easy target,

[UltimaHedgie offline]

Yeah, XANA took advantage of the fact that William didn't know everything about Lyoko just yet. I can totally see where that comes into play.

William is a little more arrogant than the others, though. It's a part of his personality. The fact that his form ended up rather powerful was another factor that led to his cockiness inside Lyoko.

Actually, I myself was waiting to see it revealed that William was actually a XANA pawn from the start--as a "real" virtual form which XANA materialized and gave fake memories, then XANA could take control of him when entering Lyoko. Well, XANA took control of him, but my guess wasn't even close...

Now, I've found a few posts in this extremely-fast-growing-topic, which I have found the need to reply to.

Well don't feel bad, LF here is just about the only board that didn't buckle under the weight of the post episode flood. I can get the index of Tech Links but get internal server errors when trying to read the threads, and the Official board utterly imploded into gridlock because they have their sql server on minimal simoultaneous connections. And I have to clean up all the new "Poor William"/"William Deserved it"/"XANA PWNZ U" spam topics.....

Anyway, I don't think I missed much on the episode except to just repeat "wow..." in shock a few more times and note that they didn't exactly leave us in a brilliant position for writing fanfics again between seasons. Oh well, I'll have to hazard a shot at it anyway.

Heh, that's what I said... http://ultimahedgie.deviantart.com

Wow, this is the first time I've experienced the end of a season. I only got to see "The Key" the SECOND time it was aired because on the first time I wasn't yet in to the show.

That last episode was great. It was a very short season, though. So like at the end everyone was mourning Franz Hopper's loss, but nobody cared about William? Ah, he sucked anyway.

They did mention William. They referenced three facts--Lyoko's destruction, William's death, and Franz Hopper's death. After getting the email from Franz, they turned to that instead--assuming that William was gone for good, and surprised that Franz is alive.

Clearly they will assume William is gone permanently in Season 4, and be surprised that he is actually alive (and controlled by XANA).

I'm not down with Will's attitude and ego... but dude... William looks sexy on Lyoko

I was shaking the whole time just waiting for him to get on Lyoko lol...

I totally agree this is Yumi's fault as well. She is just as much to blame as William's ego. His power is incredible... And I dont understand how Xana could possess William with a Schyppie... I'm assuming he hasn't been on Lyoko enough. I AM mad that I have to wait until march to see the rest of this... I mean MAD.

Since when do creepers understand english?

I might become a William fan...

The Scyphyzoa has been possessing Aelita all season. I was wondering when it would go and possess someone else...

[Astro-Xana offline]

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[knifey offline]

C'mon, it's a bit too harsh to be telling William he deserved to have his life taken away for being arrogant. In the prequel when they were hanging on the edge of the platform in the tower Odd said that Ulrich should have let go of his sword to lighten the weight, but Ulrich didn't want to. They were lucky the tower doesn't drop into the void.

That would have left Ulrich defenseless...and it wouldn't have mattered much since Odd likely weighed more than the sword. *sweatdrop*

But Odd's scrawny, he doesn't weigh a lot. =P

It's really too bad they were unable to de-virtualize him though (by him I mean William). But does anyone think he was a bit too strong on Lyoko even with him being possesed by XANA. I mean, Ulrich was unable to defeat him and he's probably the most powerful Lyokowarrior.

[Reesane offline]

Must... controll.... inner.... puntuation... stikler......

Eddit: cuses! I'm talking to AX.

[Mewberries151]

Ignore him. He's always coming up with s**t.

Though (within the obvious constraints of the rating) I wouldn't be surprised if Aelita did start showing more interest in the more physical side of a relationship (if S4 is the season of all change, why not their bodies?).

But her getting pregnant? Not gonna happen (Besides the rating NEVER allowing it, I can't see Jeremie having the time; hell I don't think those two have even kissed yet.)

I'm not your enemy! You can choose to ignore me if you want and I will be cool with that, however, I am here just like anyone else--to discuss Code Lyoko and to post interesting detailed information. Though, I may seem somewhat different in the posts I make, doesn't mean I am a worthless person who should be ignored! In fact, I am here to entertain people with these strange posts of mine--I am not here to offend anyone whatsoever as my posts shouldn't be offending at all! And yes, I already agreed on the fact that Aelita getting pregnant would never happen from the very beginning. But the reason why I posted that is, again, to catch peoples interests and to entertain them. Also, I do think it would be cool if Code Lyoko were to be on Adult Swim because I think it would be awesome if Code Lyoko were to be a show for mature audiences!

But that's what you should do in BKO. As a rule here, the open forum (that any little impressionable kids could see), has to be kept relatively PG in terms of posts due to Internet child protection laws.

If you could, please don't make posts like that outside of BKO if you can help it...it'd be really bad if the forum got in trouble for one post.

Thanks.

[Reesane offline]

That sword riminds me of the one Pyramid Head wealds. Prehapes they are related?


(I'm joking, of course)

[Darkness Incarnate offline]

All I have to say right now is:

F**k you, Moonscoop. You portrayed references to that piece of s**t known as Kingdom Hearts.

I'll get into this episode later.

I' sorry but wtf are you talking about as well as calling kingdom hearts a POS. And besides if anything they riped off ff7 with the whole huge sword thing. As well as inuyahsa's attack.

[Blue Armor Boy offline]

All I have to say right now is:

F**k you, Moonscoop. You portrayed references to that piece of s**t known as Kingdom Hearts.

I'll get into this episode later.

I' sorry but wtf are you talking about as well as calling kingdom hearts a POS. And besides if anything they riped off ff7 with the whole huge sword thing. As well as inuyahsa's attack.

The backlash wave?

[MY85 offline]

I screwed up the poll.

[Jinnai offline]

You portrayed references to that piece of s**t known as Kingdom Hearts.

I think the majority is against you on that, my friend, me included.

[2 the infirmary! offline]

Well, I was dissappointed and very excited at the same time.

It felt like they crammed 3 episodes worth of material into one ep. This is a little antagonizing because I wanted to see more.

TTI's 11:

1. Lyoko is not dead. Lyoko is never dead. Or else they would call it Code:Internet (p.3 reference). Like everything else recently, it will reemerge very quickly.

2. Hopper was hopping. "He's gone." less than two minutes later "He's alive." I understand that you want to leave people hanging but don't pull that crud on us, Moonscoop.

3. To settle all points, William looked like a nitwit on Lyoko. It was a half goth, half Namco look. I know that it is supposed to be like a video game, but not that much. Jeez.

4. Coincidence conspiracy: OF COURSE!!! We should have known! The colors in real life! Williams red and black hair, outfit gave it all away. Who else is like this colorwise?...... (See below)

5. You guessed it. Samantha. What a coincidencethat she returned. Meet William-Xana's accomplice. The colors, children!

6. All this talk about Franz Hopper is swell, but what happened to his wife? Frankly, I am more intrigued about that.

7. The reason why fighting on the Internet will NOT work. We know what the internet is, prior to the show. We had no idea what Lyoko meant (in fact, we still don't... More season 4 stuff?), so we could deem it possible. The internet is just a big place of information. You can't fight there. Or at leas you are going to have a hard time selling me on how the Internet is a massive battlefield.

8. The show is losing originality, little-by-little. And it's not Moonscoop's fault. After a while, you just run out of ideas. Folks, I am afraid we may have hit the Peak of Lyoko. Even with so many questions unanswered, I am just not as excited as I was in season 2.

9. Even though this may be true, this doesn't mean the excitement is over. I was cheering jaw-dropped today for the show. It just feels like Code:Lyoko-no-more has backed itself into a corner. I talked about it earlier in the season, but now I am afraid.

10. Disregarding the above few points, the elements mixed together to make this show what it was and is are still there. The mystery, now more than ever. I am excited for season four.

11. This may be openly bashed upon. I give total permission for anyone to bash this, like everything else I write...

I want CL to be finished at 5 seasons. If this doesn't happen, crap will ensue and no one will care about the end anymore. That is not what anyone wants.
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So, I am pumped for season four, just a little nervous.

Please Moonscoop, don't drag the saga out too long. Get another good 2 seasons in and call it a show. Everyone will be a little happier.

But, other than that, bring on Season Four!!! We are all waiting.

TTI!

[animenologist offline]

Another season, another lost opportunity for Jeremie. And now with the loss of Lyoko, we may never see him on Lyoko ever, and only slightly better chance that we'll see him virtualized on the internet. Guess he will forever just be the important support man given the thankless duties in the background, never the glory of the frontlines.

The finale itself kept me on the edge of my seat, with the exception of another miss for Jeremie to be a daredevil hero like with the rest of them, I can't really find much to fault. The varying emotional dillemmas of the 3 Lyoko warriors to escape to the factory, William's appearance in Lyoko and his subsequent downfall, and the fact that the reason he fell, was the exact reason that Yumi suspected him to not be trusted. And a cliffhanger to leave us yearning for more, it was a real burner, just like last season.

But William is to be faulted for his downfall, rookie mistake or no, his arrogance and cocky attitude in the face of those more experienced than him, makes him to blame for what happened, not that he deserved it. Imagine if you're a rookie policeman, you are placed with a partner who is more experienced than you, been around the block, knows protocol, basically, he's your senior. A bank robbery occurs, and you are the only 2 cops able to make it there to begin with, with maybe your only contact is your chief on the radio. Rather than play it calm and cool and follow the actions of both your partner and your chief, you went in in a blaze of gunfire. Because of the reckless behavior, you were shot, taken hostage, and now at the mercy of the robbers. You've now made the situation worse, for both your partner and any back up that comes. You basically have the exact same thing that happened here with William. Had this been real-life, he would have been chewed out by his superiors and suspended or expelled from the force.

They told him several times that this was a serious and dangerous business prior to scanning him, telling him many times that what they are going to do will be hard and that he may need to spend some time in the back before he gets the hang of it. Yet he went in, guns a blazing, failing to listen to those around him. His rookie mistake cost them Lyoko, and he was warned twice, to run away by Jeremie, who is arguably their leader. Rookie mistake or not, what he did was incredibly dangerous, not even Odd in hs joking mood, fail to give situations the seriousness they deserved. Even in XANA Awakens, they were inexperienced, but atleast kept it serious. He brushed of his seniors, acted haphazardly, and failed to understand the gravity of the situation. Like my hypothetical rookie on the police force, he's at fault for the escalation of the situation. And like my hypothetical rookie, he didn't deserve it, the ending was tragic, but Yumi should of stuck to her guns when she voted against William.

[Jinnai offline]

I want CL to be finished at 5 seasons

Actually they're apparently finishing it at Season 4.

[animenologist offline]

If they do, can't fault the writers for stopping the story when the story is over. Don't want another Reboot, don't want another Pirates of Dark Water, don't want another Highlander the animated Series. If possible, I'd like them to avoid a Mighty Max, but better a cheesy ending than nothing. Rather it go 4 seasons and end appropriately, than to go 5 seasons and have it just end.

[MY85 offline]

If they do, can't fault the writers for stopping the story when the story is over. Don't want another Reboot, don't want another Pirates of Dark Water, don't want another Highlander the animated Series. If possible, I'd like them to avoid a Mighty Max, but better a cheesy ending than nothing. Rather it go 4 seasons and end appropriately, than to go 5 seasons and have it just end.

Do you know by any chance the ratings of Code Lyoko in the Nielsen scale or something to determine how many people exactly watches CL?

Code Lyoko could have ended in just 3 seasons, if they just remove for this episode the ending involving Franz's message.

[Astro-Xana offline]

But that's what you should do in BKO. As a rule here, the open forum (that any little impressionable kids could see), has to be kept relatively PG in terms of posts due to Internet child protection laws.

If you could, please don't make posts like that outside of BKO if you can help it...it'd be really bad if the forum got in trouble for one post.

Thanks.

I'll make sure posts such as those outside of BKO will not happen again! But anyway, moving on now. What if Lyoko were to somehow be recreated inside the Internet? That way, not only will Team Lyoko be in the Internet, but Lyoko as well! And I picture this Lyoko in the Internet as a different version of Lyoko which looks highly advanced with whole new sectors and monsters which look like futuristic figures of light! And as for the atmosphere of each sector (sky), highly advanced as well with vivid detail and color! Also, my idea would be that (maybe, I don't know) this would be a whole new version of Lyoko created by Xana contained within the Internet. And another idea which is that the message Franz Hopper gave at the end of this show from the Internet is a message on how Lyoko can be recreated within the Internet!

[animenologist offline]

Don't really know any Nielsen ratings, atleast any recent ones. Only way to get them for sure would be to get it as a Nielsen client, but from what ratings I can gather from past times are about even with Ben 10 and Teen Titans around the same time period of around 2/10. In other words, 2% of American households, or roughly 2,200,000 households and 10 percent of all participating television sets. The fact that CN bought 4 seasons worth means that they feel they're getting their monies worth.

And really, ending the series with William being captured with and the gang in melancholy would be a poor series ending, with or without Franz Hopper at the end. Unless they meant to make the series tragic, and even than, a more definitive ending showing their loss would have been better.