Let's Talk Tech II - Over a year of Tech! :)

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Well guys, with S3 finished, any thoughts on what in LTT needs to be redrafted?

[Reesane offline]

The XANA posesion document, prehaps?

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The XANA posesion document, prehaps?

Yes, yes indeed

Any other thoughts guys? Open forum here.

[Reesane offline]

Give them some time, the only other thing I can think of is finding an explanation for William's dreams....


Things to add to the posesion essay:

1. Posible efects of a long term posesion (And they all laughed at me for sugesting it..... Not in LTT, but elswhere....)
2. Will XANA (god forbid) retain some of William's personality if/when he is pureged? Vise versa?
3. Will a long turm poseshion cause any damage to William?
4. Could there be any spicific reasone for XANA's selection of William?
5. How do mass posesions work?

[Vora Lyoko offline]

I have one.
6. Is William even alive?

[AmericanLyokoTeam offline]

What all exactly was routed through Lyoko in the supercomputer? Are any of the other functions like return trips, super scan, whatever tied to it? Basically how much functionality was lost beyond just virtualization/Lyoko.

[Reesane offline]

My new theory of XANA's selection of william: William is the only body XANA hasn't test driven that he had the capabilty to. In theory, a body will be more exepting of a viruse if it has never encounterd one, or if it is "empty" (CIP- ulrickes body in "No One in Preticuler"). Considering the size of the viruse that had to have been implanted in him, he probubly would have made the best choice. However.....

....I have a sneeking supicions that XANA realy whants Jeremie as a host.......

[Sithking Zero offline]

My new theory of XANA's selection of william: William is the only body XANA hasn't test driven that he had the capabilty to. In theory, a body will be more exepting of a viruse if it has never encounterd one, or if it is "empty" (CIP- ulrickes body in "No One in Preticuler"). Considering the size of the viruse that had to have been implanted in him, he probubly would have made the best choice. However.....

....I have a sneeking supicions that XANA realy whants Jeremie as a host.......

Perhaps it had more to do with William's personal interests.

Consider: One's subconcious mind determines what one's Lyoko ID would look like. Correct?

Now, also consider William's virtual ID. Look at it closely, and contrast it to the other Lyoko warriors. With the others, you get a sort of mythical, middle-ages, fantastical, or oriental look to them. with William, his outfit more resembles some sort of high-tech battlesuit with a Kick-(BKO) sword type thing. William, unlike the rest of the Lyoko gang, looks like he'd be right at home in Carthage, the supertechnological center of the Supercomputer.

Once XANA saw this, he understood that William's subconcious desires and fantisies about technology and a slight lust for power (consider the episode where he and Yumi were fighting the bomb guy on the bridge, I can't recall the name right now, where he wouldn't let Yumi pass by him without a kiss)

XANA knew that this would allow for a much easier possession then if he was to try to take over Ulrich, or Yumi, or even Odd, because their subconcious desires reflect ideals of nature or of honor. Or, of purple cats. . Once he was possessing William, he was able to controll the body much easier then he was with Ulrich's body, or Aelita's body, allowing him to swiftly deal with both the total destruction of Lyoko and the Lyoko warriors.

As to why he is XANA's host body? Perhaps for the same reasons. I personally think that when the energy feedback from the core of Lyoko surged back into William, it left his physical body unharmed, but Annihilated his mind and his soul, leaving an empty vessal, free for XANA to take. Once XANA moved in, he had a corporeal form, and that's the last we've seen of our evil friend.

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Sorry that I've been away for a few days guys - the new computer arrived and so I've been tweaking the hardware and software etc, and getting it rolling.

[Cassius335 offline]

Glad to know that finally arrived. So the vids back in production then?

And nice theory, Sithking

[Reesane offline]

Yes, I gues if XANA's personalityey is more compatable to his host's natural personality, we wouldn't have the "going against the grain" problem. Sithking, your explanation is much better than mine. However, Jeremie's subconcions(sp, Gotta find that dictionary...) might also be equaly sutable for XANA as william's. Fourtunatly, XANA doesn't realy have much of a chance to captur and take over jeremie's body. Thus, this leaves William.... Even if William had followed orders, XANA would have gotten to him eventualy.

[Tangent128 offline]

Where exactly on the Internet is XANA? The Internet itself is just a communication network- there isn't any place in it for an AI (or an uploaded conciousness, for that matter) to hide.

Maybe Xana created a super-powerful distributed computer by installing a peer-to-peer type client on a bunch of computers? Or maybe he used those activated towers to modify the network itself, giving it computational capacity?

In any case, what kinds of attacks can be launched without Lyoko?

[Key offline]

Exactly, and that's the question that's been on everyone's minds.

What can XANA do from the Internet? Spread a virus?

Well, if I can remember clearly, XANA went from the Internet, to an outlet, which he used to turn people to stone in a Season 3 episode.

So most likely, he can still attack. But he doesn't have to use a tower anymore. I mean, think about it. XANA is somekind of mythical force...he didn't just have black smoke coming out of the scanners when he was bound to the supercomputer. He went from the computer to an outlet, to the world.

It is through a host computer- such as the supercomputer, and (now) any computer in the world now that he's on the net- and electricity that he can do what he wants.

So...

THE INTERNET = XANA -> HOST COMPUTER -> OUTLET -> ATTACK


Any disagreements?

[Sithking Zero offline]

Well, also, he could concievably hack into secure military instalations via the internet, and then use those to launch nukes, or something. That's what I'd do if I was XANA. Or take over robotized factories and make armies of robots.

[TB3]

Exactly, and that's the question that's been on everyone's minds.

What can XANA do from the Internet? Spread a virus?

Well, if I can remember clearly, XANA went from the Internet, to an outlet, which he used to turn people to stone in a Season 3 episode.

So most likely, he can still attack. But he doesn't have to use a tower anymore. I mean, think about it. XANA is somekind of mythical force...he didn't just have black smoke coming out of the scanners when he was bound to the supercomputer. He went from the computer to an outlet, to the world.

It is through a host computer- such as the supercomputer, and (now) any computer in the world now that he's on the net- and electricity that he can do what he wants.

So...

THE INTERNET = XANA -> HOST COMPUTER -> OUTLET -> ATTACK


Any disagreements?

Yes - one thing which I think people fail to notice is that XANA needs the hardware of the supercomputer to launch his attacks - even when on the internet in S3, XANA needed to activate towers to generate a spectre.

In S4, either the supercomputer is still XANA's proxy (without Lyoko it could possibly now be either impossible or really easy to exploit it in such a manner), or he's found an alternative - but that alternative would need to be another Hopperian Supercomputer.

My other thought is HOW will the kids travel through the internet - I don't think there's enough data-storage capacity in the WWW to hold them!

If the internet is a series of tubes, then the kids are sure as hell gonna block them all up!

[Sithking Zero offline]

Exactly, and that's the question that's been on everyone's minds.

What can XANA do from the Internet? Spread a virus?

Well, if I can remember clearly, XANA went from the Internet, to an outlet, which he used to turn people to stone in a Season 3 episode.

So most likely, he can still attack. But he doesn't have to use a tower anymore. I mean, think about it. XANA is somekind of mythical force...he didn't just have black smoke coming out of the scanners when he was bound to the supercomputer. He went from the computer to an outlet, to the world.

It is through a host computer- such as the supercomputer, and (now) any computer in the world now that he's on the net- and electricity that he can do what he wants.

So...

THE INTERNET = XANA -> HOST COMPUTER -> OUTLET -> ATTACK


Any disagreements?

Yes - one thing which I think people fail to notice is that XANA needs the hardware of the supercomputer to launch his attacks - even when on the internet in S3, XANA needed to activate towers to generate a spectre.

In S4, either the supercomputer is still XANA's proxy (without Lyoko it could possibly now be either impossible or really easy to exploit it in such a manner), or he's found an alternative - but that alternative would need to be another Hopperian Supercomputer.

My other thought is HOW will the kids travel through the internet - I don't think there's enough data-storage capacity in the WWW to hold them!

If the internet is a series of tubes, then the kids are sure as hell gonna block them all up!

Well, maybe he only neeeded the towers to physically alter the real world, and his future attacks will be much more subtle.

But you have a very valid point.

[Reesane offline]

Exactly, and that's the question that's been on everyone's minds.

What can XANA do from the Internet? Spread a virus?

Well, if I can remember clearly, XANA went from the Internet, to an outlet, which he used to turn people to stone in a Season 3 episode.

So most likely, he can still attack. But he doesn't have to use a tower anymore. I mean, think about it. XANA is somekind of mythical force...he didn't just have black smoke coming out of the scanners when he was bound to the supercomputer. He went from the computer to an outlet, to the world.

It is through a host computer- such as the supercomputer, and (now) any computer in the world now that he's on the net- and electricity that he can do what he wants.

So...

THE INTERNET = XANA -> HOST COMPUTER -> OUTLET -> ATTACK


Any disagreements?

Yes - one thing which I think people fail to notice is that XANA needs the hardware of the supercomputer to launch his attacks - even when on the internet in S3, XANA needed to activate towers to generate a spectre.

In S4, either the supercomputer is still XANA's proxy (without Lyoko it could possibly now be either impossible or really easy to exploit it in such a manner), or he's found an alternative - but that alternative would need to be another Hopperian Supercomputer.

My other thought is HOW will the kids travel through the internet - I don't think there's enough data-storage capacity in the WWW to hold them!

If the internet is a series of tubes, then the kids are sure as hell gonna block them all up!

We never did find out what the " Gaint Vortex of Doom" (hear on refured to as GVOD), was. Why would he nead a GVOD if he was excaping onto the internet? Could he use what ever was in the GVOD to start an attact?


..... Then again, maby this is what William's for.....

[Chosen_one offline]

My other thought is HOW will the kids travel through the internet - I don't think there's enough data-storage capacity in the WWW to hold them!

I'm sure that the creators assumed that Code Lyoko's viewers would have the common children's thought that there exists a "central hub of the Internet" with unlimited memory storage.

I think that XANA is actually on multiple servers at once, seperating its code and placing a piece of itself on various servers in Canada.

[TL.]

I'm sure that the creators assumed that Code Lyoko's viewers would have the common children's thought that there exists a "central hub of the Internet" with unlimited memory storage

Hopefully, my visit to them might have made them realise that teenagers and fully grown men(!) watch their show. We might get a better explanation because of this

[Chosen_one offline]

Even many adults are unaware of how the Internet works.

Most kids don't understand programming languages and operating systems and compatibility and such, so I'm guessing that the creators probably made Internet files seem like video game characters that can be destroyed. I even know this kid who thinks that if XANA somehow got into his XBox, he'll appear as a Halo 2 character that can be "shot" and "killed."

My guess is that Jeremie will create a new web browser compatible with the supercomputer that shows files as 3D sprites. This browser will turn the Lyoko gang's weapons into hacking software that can hack into a server and delete files.

[Cassius335 offline]

Even many adults are unaware of how the Internet works.

Most kids don't understand programming languages and operating systems and compatibility and such, so I'm guessing that the creators probably made Internet files seem like video game characters that can be destroyed. I even know this kid who thinks that if XANA somehow got into his XBox, he'll appear as a Halo 2 character that can be "shot" and "killed."

Let's hope XANA hasn't discovered MUGEN *stares worriedly at Omega Tom Hanks.*

My guess is that Jeremie will create a new web browser compatible with the supercomputer that shows files as 3D sprites. This browser will turn the Lyoko gang's weapons into hacking software that can hack into a server and delete files.

Plausible.

[Key offline]

I like the way you think, Chosen_one. That's how Jeremie would think.

The Internet is the worldwide, publicly accessible network of interconnected computer networks that transmit data by packet switching using the standard Internet Protocol (IP). It is a "network of networks" that consists of millions of smaller domestic, academic, business, and government networks, which together carry various information and services, such as electronic mail, online chat, file transfer, and the interlinked Web pages and other documents of the World Wide Web.

So this means that XANA must be at the top of the food chain. The network of networks.

The Internet and the World Wide Web aren't the same. If XANA is on the Internet, as Jeremie stated, he would be intwined into a number of Computer Networks, linked by connections.

Whereas if he was on the World Wide Web, he would be a document.

So, he's NOT on a webpage. He must be on a server. He must be a network.

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The application layer of the Internet is the 7 th seventh level of the seven-layer OSI model. It interfaces directly to and performs common application services for the application processes; it also issues requests to the presentation layer.

The common application layer services provide semantic conversion between associated application processes. Note: Examples of common application services of general interest include the virtual file, virtual terminal, and job transfer and manipulation protocols.

The application layer of the four layer and five layer TCP/IP models corresponds to the application layer, the presentation layer and session layer in the seven layer OSI model, which XANA could use to send viruses into the real world.

Whether or not how they can get into the Internet, since virtualization is a technology which allows a user to interact with a computer-simulated environment, be it a real or imagined one- is beyond me.

Most virtual reality environments are primarily visual experiences, displayed either on a computer screen or through special stereoscopic displays, so I really don't know how they would be able to battle on the Internet.

Unless...XANA creates some sort of program! That's it!

[Cassius335 offline]

Most virtual reality environments are primarily visual experiences, displayed either on a computer screen or through special stereoscopic displays, so I really don't know how they would be able to battle on the Internet.

Unless...XANA creates some sort of program! That's it!

Or Jeremy does, which would be decidedly safer for the Warriors!

[Key offline]

Cunning...

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Cunning...

Very nice work guys! I'm so proud!

I had a thought that the dark space where we see William/XANA at the end of S3 is not the Void left by Lyoko - it might be a new virtual environment in XANA's new home.

So all that orange energy we saw streaming in...

LYOKO'S SOURCE CODE!

i.e. when he ripped open the core, XANA copied/extracted the key data which would allow him to create a virtual environment and support himself as William, and then streamed that to the network where he is located (Jerome implied he was on 'a network') and installed it.

As for the kids, I think their new outfits (which look kinda like pressure suits with armour) might be a form of portable support code, which would allow them to enter computer networks which aren't constructed on a Hopperian OS.

As for how they will travel the internet - why couldn't Jeremie create an SAP (Spatial Anomally Passageway) link between the Supercomputer and Target network, using the internet data streams as guidance - this is how XANA used to get his spectres out from the computer to wall sockets etc, so why not as a means of connecting two networks without crashing the Internet?