Let's Talk Tech II - Over a year of Tech! :)

[Cassius335 offline]

Works for me, though that means GivR is right (horror!) and XANA is writing the New Lyoko... which can't be good for the Warriors. At best, he's gonna have different locks, so the old 'Keys to Lyoko' will be useless...

[TB3]

Works for me, though that means GivR is right (horror!) and XANA is writing the New Lyoko... which can't be good for the Warriors. At best, he's gonna have different locks, so the old 'Keys to Lyoko' will be useless...

Lol - I just realised that XANA has become a true member of the net community - he's pirating software!

[Cassius335 offline]

Nah, he'd probably argue that he part-owns it anyway...

[Key offline]

I always end up being right...you just haven't seen it yet...

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Although, it would be nice to see this event in action.

What do you think of a Code Lyoko Desktop Buddy?

Like BonziBUDDY, but without the spamware...

[AmericanLyokoTeam offline]

Hmm, I have some questions to raise, and I know the answers are nothing but speculation, but that's fine, thats what we do.

1) How much did XANA know about the hardware of the supercomputer? Presumeably he'd know whatever he wanted to about the software in use, being a program with near complete access able to read all the other programming. However unless he spent extensive time using some external source to study the computer, he might only know about the 'drivers' so to speak, the software to understand the signals on the hardware. Basically I'm wondering if XANA already has the knowledge to build a Hopperian quantum computer of his own. Presumeable hiding in digital networks somewhere he can use any linked up construction robot or what have you, and use those to build better tools and so on, bootstrapping himself to a point of reconstructing his own version of the supercomputer somewhere else on the planet, presumeably out of reach from the gang.

2) I sorta asked this before, but I want to restate it now. How much did Lyoko control on the supercomputer? Hopper sure seemed intent on running any nessecary command from Lyoko itself, so I'm wondering if perhaps a lot of linked functions, potentially almost everything was lost with the system itself. Hopper orriginally had to write Lyoko from the outside, so some level of functionality probably still exists, but it could be nothing more than a minimum prompt.

I had some other things to ask, but I think I'll hold off and read the speculation for a while.

[Sithking Zero offline]

Hmm, I have some questions to raise, and I know the answers are nothing but speculation, but that's fine, thats what we do.

1) How much did XANA know about the hardware of the supercomputer? Presumeably he'd know whatever he wanted to about the software in use, being a program with near complete access able to read all the other programming. However unless he spent extensive time using some external source to study the computer, he might only know about the 'drivers' so to speak, the software to understand the signals on the hardware. Basically I'm wondering if XANA already has the knowledge to build a Hopperian quantum computer of his own. Presumeable hiding in digital networks somewhere he can use any linked up construction robot or what have you, and use those to build better tools and so on, bootstrapping himself to a point of reconstructing his own version of the supercomputer somewhere else on the planet, presumeably out of reach from the gang.

2) I sorta asked this before, but I want to restate it now. How much did Lyoko control on the supercomputer? Hopper sure seemed intent on running any nessecary command from Lyoko itself, so I'm wondering if perhaps a lot of linked functions, potentially almost everything was lost with the system itself. Hopper orriginally had to write Lyoko from the outside, so some level of functionality probably still exists, but it could be nothing more than a minimum prompt.

I had some other things to ask, but I think I'll hold off and read the speculation for a while.

What I want to know is, what was the point of Lyoko? I mean, it seems like a huge waste of time and rescources to make something like that. Sure, it allowed for some higher-level functions, but couldn't those have been controlled by an external access point?

[AmericanLyokoTeam offline]

I tend to think of Lyoko as a system designed to translate the management of the supercomputer into signals a virtualized human could intuitively understand and use to control what was happening. (for a cute example of what I sorta mean, see http://www.cs.unm.edu/~dlchao/flake/doom/ ) It seems to be something more of a simulation at the same time from how it's treated in the show. Hopper wanted to be able to hidet here with Aelita afterall. A cross between a control system and a virtual world, perhaps? Just my poor two cents though, I'm sure The Lyokologists already have a better explaination back there somewhere if you want to find it.

[Cassius335 offline]

What I want to know is, what was the point of Lyoko?

'A World Without Danger' for Franz and his daughter to hide in (a concept which, apparently, lasted all of five seconds, but was still the original idea). Any other functions got slaved to that.

[DarkestSoul X21 offline]

That's where the song comes in.

[Reesane offline]

That's where the song comes in.

True dat.

[Sithking Zero offline]

Still, doesn't it seem a little wasteful? I would think that if all functions were slaved to a simple point-and-click interface, efficiency would have been improved many, many times exponentially. Not to mention that there would be no guardian program of Lyoko to turn evil and start trying to kill people...

In fact, I can see no sane reason why Lyoko could exist aside from the "World without danger" thing. THe whole Lyoko project seems frought with inefficiency and waste. An entire underground complex? The fact that the body has to be destroyed to go to Lyoko, when a simple brain-download thingy like they use in the Matrix (or Pulse trasmission system in the Megaman games) could be used with possibly less energy? The digital world itself? the towers?

My biggest question about the whole lyoko thing is that I don't know why it has to be so big. If it was smaller, Lyoko would have taken up less memory, and thusly, more space for the computer to do more stuff. Plus, if the towers were more centralized, it would allow the beings in Lyoko to change things easier without having to hike all over the world.

Then again, it is near-common concensus that Franz didn't exactly have all his screws fastened in...

[Key offline]

Still, doesn't it seem a little wasteful? I would think that if all functions were slaved to a simple point-and-click interface, efficiency would have been improved many, many times exponentially. Not to mention that there would be no guardian program of Lyoko to turn evil and start trying to kill people...

In fact, I can see no sane reason why Lyoko could exist aside from the "World without danger" thing. THe whole Lyoko project seems frought with inefficiency and waste. An entire underground complex? The fact that the body has to be destroyed to go to Lyoko, when a simple brain-download thingy like they use in the Matrix (or Pulse trasmission system in the Megaman games) could be used with possibly less energy? The digital world itself? the towers?

My biggest question about the whole lyoko thing is that I don't know why it has to be so big. If it was smaller, Lyoko would have taken up less memory, and thusly, more space for the computer to do more stuff. Plus, if the towers were more centralized, it would allow the beings in Lyoko to change things easier without having to hike all over the world.

Then again, it is near-common concensus that Franz didn't exactly have all his screws fastened in...

Lyoko was created solely for him and his daughter to escape a world that was trying to hunt them down. A safe haven, a world without danger, a place where they would be safe.

Lyoko was created as an offset. It was created at the last minute. It wasn't even completley finished.

XANA was created as a tangent to delete Carthage. Allegedly, Franz got in some kind of trouble, that was too deep to get out of, so he had no other choice but to leave earth. Live in a vast digital world.

XANA gained control, took over, and forced Franz Hopper to shutdown the supercomputer in order to save all humanity. He did it with honor, in hopes that someone would free them. That someone would rescue them.

Lyoko wasn't created to fight in. It was created to live in. I think if Hopper would have finished it, there may have been more features.

[Jazzy Josh offline]

My theory is that XANA is using a system like Folding @ Home, automatically downloading himself automatically and undetectably, and then, also undetectably, running himself simultaneously on millions of computers, as well as the SC, enabling him to many millions of more processes per second.

[Cassius335 offline]

Still, doesn't it seem a little wasteful? I would think that if all functions were slaved to a simple point-and-click interface, efficiency would have been improved many, many times exponentially. Not to mention that there would be no guardian program of Lyoko to turn evil and start trying to kill people...

In fact, I can see no sane reason why Lyoko could exist aside from the "World without danger" thing. THe whole Lyoko project seems frought with inefficiency and waste. An entire underground complex? The fact that the body has to be destroyed to go to Lyoko, when a simple brain-download thingy like they use in the Matrix (or Pulse trasmission system in the Megaman games) could be used with possibly less energy? The digital world itself? the towers?

My biggest question about the whole lyoko thing is that I don't know why it has to be so big. If it was smaller, Lyoko would have taken up less memory, and thusly, more space for the computer to do more stuff. Plus, if the towers were more centralized, it would allow the beings in Lyoko to change things easier without having to hike all over the world.

Then again, it is near-common concensus that Franz didn't exactly have all his screws fastened in...

Lyoko was created solely for him and his daughter to escape a world that was trying to hunt them down. A safe haven, a world without danger, a place where they would be safe.

Lyoko was created as an offset. It was created at the last minute. It wasn't even completley finished.

XANA was created as a tangent to delete Carthage. Allegedly, Franz got in some kind of trouble, that was too deep to get out of, so he had no other choice but to leave earth. Live in a vast digital world.

XANA gained control, took over, and forced Franz Hopper to shutdown the supercomputer in order to save all humanity. He did it with honor, in hopes that someone would free them. That someone would rescue them.

Lyoko wasn't created to fight in. It was created to live in. I think if Hopper would have finished it, there may have been more features.

'm not sure what scares me more at this point. That Sithking so casually dismisses one of the core ideas of the show or that GvR is starting to sound actually sane.

Sith, Franz did not want to be found. Hence underground complex. He certainly didn't want to be in a position where his enemies could simply turn-up to his unconscious body and shoot him. Hence destroying the body instead of the Matrix approach. And hence a place that couldn't be destroyed by somone'v walking into the Scanner Room, pointing the mouse cursor and clicking 'Delete'.

If everything was 'more centralised', XANA might have wiped out Lyoko in one go.

Efficency? Not exactly a priority.

[Key offline]

Well said, Cassius335.

Here's another thought.

I think that the dissappearence of Aelita's mother indicates a deeper, darker part to the story of Lyoko.

It doesn't add up quite nicely when you think about it. There's secrets that have yet to be revealed. I believe that Franz Hopper wouldn't have just created Lyoko for to simply hide from something, or someone.

A part of the story needs to be elaborated. Why exactly did Franz want to run from his problems?

Is he a lover, not a fighter?

Basically, what was so bad that he would give his life up to a virtual program? Living forever is one thing, but he'd be isolated from the rest of the world.

[TB3]

(stares)

Wow - rock on guys!

[Sithking Zero offline]

Well said, Cassius335.

Here's another thought.

I think that the dissappearence of Aelita's mother indicates a deeper, darker part to the story of Lyoko.

It doesn't add up quite nicely when you think about it. There's secrets that have yet to be revealed. I believe that Franz Hopper wouldn't have just created Lyoko for to simply hide from something, or someone.

A part of the story needs to be elaborated. Why exactly did Franz want to run from his problems?

Is he a lover, not a fighter?

Basically, what was so bad that he would give his life up to a virtual program? Living forever is one thing, but he'd be isolated from the rest of the world.

Not to mention, what was he so afraid of that he ran to a very dangerous virtual world, with no guarantee of surviving the transfer, with an incomplete virtual avatar (Without any visible means of attack and/or defense, might I add?)

And, who turned off the computer? I mean, if it was the government, they wouldn't have left it there. They would have picked it apart until they got every erg of power out of the thing.

Also, how did Aelita survive while the Supercomputer was turned off? As we've seen, the towers go bye-bye when it's turned off, so she would have- and should have- fallen into the digital sea.

Or maybe that's why she remembers nothing! She fell into the digital sea, but Franz rescued her and put her in a file that would become a tower when the computer was re-activated. However, XANA was able to steal her memories and tie her to Lyoko...

The fourth season better answer a LOT of these questions...

[Cassius335 offline]

Also, how did Aelita survive while the Supercomputer was turned off? As we've seen, the towers go bye-bye when it's turned off, so she would have- and should have- fallen into the digital sea.

Or maybe that's why she remembers nothing! She fell into the digital sea, but Franz rescued her and put her in a file that would become a tower when the computer was re-activated. However, XANA was able to steal her memories and tie her to Lyoko...

The fourth season better answer a LOT of these questions...

Well, "Common Interest" is what happens when the power fails. It's possible that when the SuperComputer is deliberarely (and properly) shut down, anything and everything on Lyoko is saved to hard disk...

[Chosen_one offline]

And, who turned off the computer? I mean, if it was the government, they wouldn't have left it there. They would have picked it apart until they got every erg of power out of the thing.

It was mentioned in "Aelita" that Franz Hopper manually switched off the supercomputer.

Also, how did Aelita survive while the Supercomputer was turned off? As we've seen, the towers go bye-bye when it's turned off, so she would have- and should have- fallen into the digital sea.

It's most likely that Franz Hopper stored Aelita in the supercomputer's hard drive while he virtualized her.

Or maybe that's why she remembers nothing! She fell into the digital sea, but Franz rescued her and put her in a file that would become a tower when the computer was re-activated. However, XANA was able to steal her memories and tie her to Lyoko...

That sounds like a good explanation.

The fourth season better answer a LOT of these questions...

I have a feeling it might.

[Sithking Zero offline]

How is that physically possible to turn off a computer (and FLIP A SWITCH) when you're INSIDE THE COMPUTER?!?

I mean, with windows, you just go and shut down from the start menu. But the supercomputer has a lever. You'd need to be outside the computer to do it... Wait.

Oh. My. GOD.

Is it possible that Franz Hopper is no longer in the supercomputer, but is merely operating from an external access location? We've seen that you don't need to be on Lyoko to activate towers, and that you can do it from a computer terminal. Is it possible that Franz... escaped?

[Cassius335 offline]

How is that physically possible to turn off a computer (and FLIP A SWITCH) when you're INSIDE THE COMPUTER?!?

I mean, with windows, you just go and shut down from the start menu. But the supercomputer has a lever. You'd need to be outside the computer to do it... Wait.

Oh. My. GOD.

Is it possible that Franz Hopper is no longer in the supercomputer, but is merely operating from an external access location? We've seen that you don't need to be on Lyoko to activate towers, and that you can do it from a computer terminal. Is it possible that Franz... escaped?

It's possible, but there's another explanation: Once everything was saved, Franz used a spectre to flip the power switch. We've seen Lyoko's dissappearence takes time, so there could have easily been enough energy left for the computer to close itself down without anything (or anyone) getting damaged or lost...

[Chosen_one offline]

Is it possible that Franz... escaped?

Probably not. At the end of "Final Round," Franz sent a message from a web server to Jeremie without any kind of email. Although, it is possible that Franz hacked Jeremie's laptop and used malware to automatically download the message.

[AmericanLyokoTeam offline]

Long gone are the days where the power to a personal computer has to have a physical i/o switch to be cut off. When you shut down windows these days, a signal from inside interupts the power and terminates the operation of the hardware. As for the switch on the supercomputer, you need a manual button to give the signal start your computer back up again afterall. No need for any of the fancy stuff like specters here, just basic computer operation.

[Key offline]

Did you guys even pay attention to the episode "Aelita"?

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How is that physically possible to turn off a computer (and FLIP A SWITCH) when you're INSIDE THE COMPUTER?!?


The truth is that once Franz and Aelita first arrived to Lyoko, XANA gained control. Franz attempted to reason with XANA, stating that they can "live together in peace". But XANA was too powerful. And from INSIDE Lyoko, he managed to shutdown the Interface. He didn't have to leave Lyoko to shut it down. He may have done it inside a tower.

Besides, when Aelita was inside the tower, something (namely Franz) MUST have protected her from being erased.

We've seen in the S1 Finale that shutting off the supercomputer doesn't delete Lyoko. It shouldn't anyway. Have you ever used a computer that deletes its own interface after shutdown? No!

The most probable explanation is that Jeremie had to have flipped the switch off, and then back on when he first discovered the factory. That's how all the computers I've used work.

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As for how Aelita had no memory, the show indicated that XANA may have stolen it before Lyoko was shutdown, or that shutting down Lyoko causes your whole memory to be erased. Which is probably why they never wanted to shutdown the supercomputer while Aelita was in it. Hence, explaining years worth of information and memories.

Obviously the most likely reason is that XANA stole them, because Franz had to recover her WHOLE memory because well, it was in Lyoko somewhere.

But S4 should clear all this up.

[Cassius335 offline]

True, but we know the Supercomputer has a switch to flip. We've seen Jeremy turn it on, after all.