Yes, we have. Time and time again.
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by Keiji » Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:48 am
*sigh* You guys are missing the obvious thing. The switch on the supercomputer contains a solenoid, so it can be properly switched off from software.
Computers are not synonymous with windows. Windows isn't the only OS that can tell a computer to halt. >_>
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Computers are not synonymous with windows. Windows isn't the only OS that can tell a computer to halt. >_>
by Cassius335 » Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:05 am
Rob wrote:*sigh* You guys are missing the obvious thing. The switch on the supercomputer contains a solenoid, so it can be properly switched off from software.
*looks up solenoid*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solenoid
You have seen how big the switch is, right? I doubt you can use a software shutdown to physically flip that. And someone clearly did turn it off at the big switch.
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by Keiji » Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:45 pm
It doesn't matter how big the switch is; a solenoid and a powerful enough spring will easily flip it. Such a mechanism however would only work one-way, so Franz Hopper could have designed the switch so that it could be turned off from software, but can only be turned on manually. Of course, there's no need for software to be able to turn the switch on.
by Cassius335 » Tue Oct 31, 2006 2:27 pm
I dunno. Not sure it fits when the Supercomputer is (going by Tb3's theories) supposed to pack in as much processing power as possible into.
Then again, I doubt Franz wouldn't give himself a way to "lock the door" behind him.
*sigh* Feels like somethings missing somehow.
Then again, I doubt Franz wouldn't give himself a way to "lock the door" behind him.
*sigh* Feels like somethings missing somehow.
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by Tangent128 » Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:52 pm
I forget...
When the computer was turned on, was the switch flipped up or down? I know it was flipped down to turn it off, but it could be a spring-loaded lever instead of a switch- pulling it down turns the power on and off, like the front buttons on many computers today.
It seems logical that XANA would establish himself as a peer-to-peer system- it is safer than a central location, allows sufficient processing power to be obtained, and easy to create by hacking (if you're a supercomputer).
I'm still wondering if the Internet has enough processing power; the supercomputer was established to be quite powerful. Maybe XANA modified a bunch of computers with specters to boost their power before escaping? If that extra power was hidden from the operating system, nobody would notice.
Also, I found an interesting idea called "programmable matter." See: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/network/2004/01/09/quantumdots.html and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programmable_matter
To summarize:
When you crowd electrons onto a quantum dot, they form clouds very similar to the electron clouds of atoms. They also show similar chemical properties, leading them to be called artifical atoms. The cool part is that they can be instantly changed to act like other elements by adding/removing electrons through electrodes. (or SAPs?)
Does this have any application to specters?
When the computer was turned on, was the switch flipped up or down? I know it was flipped down to turn it off, but it could be a spring-loaded lever instead of a switch- pulling it down turns the power on and off, like the front buttons on many computers today.
It seems logical that XANA would establish himself as a peer-to-peer system- it is safer than a central location, allows sufficient processing power to be obtained, and easy to create by hacking (if you're a supercomputer).
I'm still wondering if the Internet has enough processing power; the supercomputer was established to be quite powerful. Maybe XANA modified a bunch of computers with specters to boost their power before escaping? If that extra power was hidden from the operating system, nobody would notice.
Also, I found an interesting idea called "programmable matter." See: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/network/2004/01/09/quantumdots.html and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programmable_matter
To summarize:
When you crowd electrons onto a quantum dot, they form clouds very similar to the electron clouds of atoms. They also show similar chemical properties, leading them to be called artifical atoms. The cool part is that they can be instantly changed to act like other elements by adding/removing electrons through electrodes. (or SAPs?)
Does this have any application to specters?
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by Lyokofreak » Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:27 pm
Tangent128 wrote:I forget...
When the computer was turned on, was the switch flipped up or down? I know it was flipped down to turn it off, but it could be a spring-loaded lever instead of a switch- pulling it down turns the power on and off, like the front buttons on many computers today.
It seems logical that XANA would establish himself as a peer-to-peer system- it is safer than a central location, allows sufficient processing power to be obtained, and easy to create by hacking (if you're a supercomputer).
I'm still wondering if the Internet has enough processing power; the supercomputer was established to be quite powerful. Maybe XANA modified a bunch of computers with specters to boost their power before escaping? If that extra power was hidden from the operating system, nobody would notice.
Also, I found an interesting idea called "programmable matter." See: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/network/2004/01/09/quantumdots.html and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programmable_matter
To summarize:
When you crowd electrons onto a quantum dot, they form clouds very similar to the electron clouds of atoms. They also show similar chemical properties, leading them to be called artifical atoms. The cool part is that they can be instantly changed to act like other elements by adding/removing electrons through electrodes. (or SAPs?)
Does this have any application to specters?
I don't think the Internet has processing power... Maybe bandwith...
Nontheless, interesting.
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by Cassius335 » Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:27 pm
Tangent128 wrote:I forget...
When the computer was turned on, was the switch flipped up or down? I know it was flipped down to turn it off, but it could be a spring-loaded lever instead of a switch- pulling it down turns the power on and off, like the front buttons on many computers today.
*shakes head* If I Remember Correctly, 'up' is 'on'; in other words the supercomputer's switch is not like a modern computer power button, which, now Tangent brings it up, I think is why I'm not quite buying the solenoid theory.
Could someone put up pics of the switch/lever in both postitions?
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by Key » Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:31 pm
This is ridiculous.
It's obvious that once Franz was in the supercomputer, XANA had him held hostage.
You actually think that XANA would've let Franz get out of the supercomputer? Or let him do anything for that matter.
All this mindless talk about spings and all that is uncalled for. Stick to the status quo.
Now, I totally agree with Tangent128 who says that the switch can be turned on and off. I mean, it's not like a light switch. It's a computer. A supercomputer at that...
Franz created the system, and I believe that he didn't need to leave the supercomputer to turn it off. Perhaps he put in a code- I don't know, "Franz" or something, and turned it off from there.
And I'm not trying to be mean, I realize that I come on a little strong. PLEASE don't take it the wrong way.
It's obvious that once Franz was in the supercomputer, XANA had him held hostage.
You actually think that XANA would've let Franz get out of the supercomputer? Or let him do anything for that matter.
All this mindless talk about spings and all that is uncalled for. Stick to the status quo.
Now, I totally agree with Tangent128 who says that the switch can be turned on and off. I mean, it's not like a light switch. It's a computer. A supercomputer at that...
Franz created the system, and I believe that he didn't need to leave the supercomputer to turn it off. Perhaps he put in a code- I don't know, "Franz" or something, and turned it off from there.
And I'm not trying to be mean, I realize that I come on a little strong. PLEASE don't take it the wrong way.
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by Cassius335 » Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:35 pm
GivR wrote:This is ridiculous.
It's obvious that once Franz was in the supercomputer, XANA had him held hostage.
You actually think that XANA would've let Franz get out of the supercomputer? Or let him do anything for that matter.
I don't think Franz escaped for a couple of seasons, at least. Someone turned the super computer off. Franz was certainly planning to according to the 'Aelita' ep, so until we learn otherwise I think it's reasonable to assume he did.
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by Key » Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:49 pm
I'm talking about in episode "Aelita". It was discovered, (in a flashback) that when they arrived to Lyoko...
1.) Franz was communicating with XANA, that they could live in peace.
2.) XANA was too powerful, he wanted to eliminate.
3.) Franz had to shut it down. In order to save all humanity.
My only question is: You say that Franz left the supercomputer to turn it off. If that is the case, why would he go back in?
I mean, he's like: "Oh, no! The whole world is in danger, let me get out, and shut it down." Then he wakes up, in Lyoko, trapped.
Why would you think that?
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If not that, who could he possibly know to turn it off for him? Think rationally. Who? It doesn't even make sense.
1.) Franz was communicating with XANA, that they could live in peace.
2.) XANA was too powerful, he wanted to eliminate.
3.) Franz had to shut it down. In order to save all humanity.
My only question is: You say that Franz left the supercomputer to turn it off. If that is the case, why would he go back in?
I mean, he's like: "Oh, no! The whole world is in danger, let me get out, and shut it down." Then he wakes up, in Lyoko, trapped.
Why would you think that?
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If not that, who could he possibly know to turn it off for him? Think rationally. Who? It doesn't even make sense.
by Cassius335 » Tue Oct 31, 2006 11:10 pm
You haven't been paying attention to the thread AT ALL have you? 
No, I personally think Franz, in Lyoko, used a specter to do the deed. Rob said...something about solenoids which I'll let him re-explain.
No, I personally think Franz, in Lyoko, used a specter to do the deed. Rob said...something about solenoids which I'll let him re-explain.
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by Tangent128 » Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:01 am
Lyoko Freak wrote:Tangent128 wrote:...
I don't think the Internet has processing power... Maybe bandwith...
Nontheless, interesting.
Sorry, I meant the processing power of all the computers connected to the Internet- you're right, it has no power on its own.
My bad.
I never thought I'd see such a vicious argument over a switch...
Okay, let me see if I understand all the positions:
- The switch has a solenoid (magnet) that lets the computer switch it off.
The switch is a lever, acting like a power button.
The switch was turned off by a specter.
The computer was shut down, but not turned off- like earlier Windows computers with the "It is now safe to turn off the computer." message. Somebody else (Jeremy, or a MIB) turned the switch off, before Jeremy turned it back on.
The switch is ALIVE!
I think any one would work...
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A few nerdy newish projects are here. )by AmericanLyokoTeam » Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:43 am
GivR wrote:This is ridiculous.
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All this mindless talk about spings and all that is uncalled for. Stick to the status quo.
Please, LTT is all about inventing multiple solutions and debating the worth of each. These guys simply have the theory that it was controlled internally by a signal, that it was rigged up to be interuptable from lack of current. Solenoids were brought in as basically current induced switches. It's easy to see how blocking the flow of current to one by some sort of logic control chip could drop the (and I think I know what I'm talking about, anyway) magnetic core of the solenoid which, being used to complete a circuit, kills the power draw for the whole supercomputer. A spring was mentioned as another way to change the position of the solenoid's core manually, although I'm not clear if this was for starting, shutting down, or both, the computer.
Anyway, no need to yell and take sides, you can produce what evidence you want for any argument, but try to not invest too much emotionally, this topic is not for the feint of heart when it comes to having theories shot down left and right.
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by Cassius335 » Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:26 pm
Reesane wrote:I'll give you a hint: MIB
I'm not in the mood to explane....
Someone earlier mentioned that the MIB wouldn't stop at just turning off the computer, they'd take it apart.
EDIT: found it...
Sithking Zero wrote:And, who turned off the computer? I mean, if it was the government, they wouldn't have left it there. They would have picked it apart until they got every erg of power out of the thing.
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by Cassius335 » Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:17 pm
And...who cleaned up after them?
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by Key » Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:59 pm
Nobody. Because it didn't happen.
"You haven't been paying attention to the thread AT ALL have you?
No, I personally think Franz, in Lyoko, used a specter to do the deed. Rob said...something about solenoids which I'll let him re-explain."
-Cassius335
Actually, I have been paying attention. But I decided not to mention that. I decided, I wouldn't understand exactly how he would do it, because there are numerous possibilities.
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Okay, let me get this straight.
The Men In Black switched it off.
If they'd found out where the factory was located, the whole area would be under investigation, and/or destroyed.
The switch is a magnet.
What evidence indicates this?
A Spectre was used to turn it off.
If XANA is so powerful, why and how would he manage to let Franz Hopper get away with creating a spectre?
The computer was shutdown, but not turned off.
Veeeery possible!! But then why would Jeremy have to flip the switch on?
Now we all know, ANYTHING could have happened. Most of these ARE possible. So there's nothing to get mad about.
"You haven't been paying attention to the thread AT ALL have you?
No, I personally think Franz, in Lyoko, used a specter to do the deed. Rob said...something about solenoids which I'll let him re-explain."
-Cassius335
Actually, I have been paying attention. But I decided not to mention that. I decided, I wouldn't understand exactly how he would do it, because there are numerous possibilities.
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Okay, let me get this straight.
The Men In Black switched it off.
If they'd found out where the factory was located, the whole area would be under investigation, and/or destroyed.
The switch is a magnet.
What evidence indicates this?
A Spectre was used to turn it off.
If XANA is so powerful, why and how would he manage to let Franz Hopper get away with creating a spectre?
The computer was shutdown, but not turned off.
Veeeery possible!! But then why would Jeremy have to flip the switch on?
Now we all know, ANYTHING could have happened. Most of these ARE possible. So there's nothing to get mad about.
by TB3 » Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:48 pm
Hi guys - sorry that I've been away of late - lots of commitments.
I just wanted to mention two interesting things I've seen tonight.
1. TORCHWOOD - the third episode of a new UK TV Show, which deals with a sort of 'Men-In'Black' organisation - in this episode they find an alien device which they describe as a 'Quantum Transducer' - which allows you to 'see' the ghost imprints left on Quantum Reality - glimpses of the past, flashes of a possible future.
Sound familiar?
2. DEJA VU - a new film coming out, I saw this trailer by accident and it instantly reminded me of our own theories - enjoy!
Deja Vu Trailer
And regarding the debate about the power switch.
We used to think it was turned off by an external force, person or agency - I'm on the side of an internal shutdown based on what we now know - triggered by Franz or Aelita.
Secondly, on the debate as to the operation of the switch - the voltage in the Power Drive is too high to be routed through the switch directly - it's dangerous - a short-circuit could fry the person holding the switch.
Instead it's more likely that the switch closes a small circuit, which in turn is electrically trips the main relays/circuit breakers inside the supercomputer - like in Jurassic Park where the main power systems could not be closed by hand, and so Laura Dern had to generate a small primer charge to flip the circuit breakers.
I just wanted to mention two interesting things I've seen tonight.
1. TORCHWOOD - the third episode of a new UK TV Show, which deals with a sort of 'Men-In'Black' organisation - in this episode they find an alien device which they describe as a 'Quantum Transducer' - which allows you to 'see' the ghost imprints left on Quantum Reality - glimpses of the past, flashes of a possible future.
Sound familiar?
2. DEJA VU - a new film coming out, I saw this trailer by accident and it instantly reminded me of our own theories - enjoy!
Deja Vu Trailer
And regarding the debate about the power switch.
We used to think it was turned off by an external force, person or agency - I'm on the side of an internal shutdown based on what we now know - triggered by Franz or Aelita.
Secondly, on the debate as to the operation of the switch - the voltage in the Power Drive is too high to be routed through the switch directly - it's dangerous - a short-circuit could fry the person holding the switch.
Instead it's more likely that the switch closes a small circuit, which in turn is electrically trips the main relays/circuit breakers inside the supercomputer - like in Jurassic Park where the main power systems could not be closed by hand, and so Laura Dern had to generate a small primer charge to flip the circuit breakers.
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by Rudger » Thu Nov 02, 2006 1:24 am
GivR wrote:
If not that, who could he possibly know to turn it off for him? Think rationally. Who? It doesn't even make sense.
sorry If Im barging in but when I read this I just thought. Waldo shauffer or whatever his name is from the credits. You know what I'm talking about right? sorry I just had to say that.
by Cassius335 » Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:39 pm
Quick unrelated thought: Given that Jeremy's card didn't seem to show his Lyoko form, can we assume he deleted it? Or did he have so little imaginbation he just showed up as himself (in normal clothes)?
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by Sithking Zero » Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:42 pm
I doubt it was that. Like Ulrich and Odd said, his Lyoko outfit was, quote, "Rediculous." it's possible he changed the picture on his profile so he didn't have to look at it.
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