Dates and stuff....

[Lani offline]

Hehe - remember though Lani, when Jeremie made the October 9th Diary Entry, he then went on to say the events of the episode happened several weeks ago - and already he's started doing overnight shifts on the computer - ah that Materialisation program is gonna take some time

Okay, so, let's assume the events of 'XANA Awakens' takes place in the first few weeks of 2004's school year (in September) - a year later we have the events of 'The Trap', and then we come to our current date.

The kids have been fighting XANA for two years - tough on them

Really? Wait, I thought that the diary entry was just about him finding the supercompy, and the events in the episode take place on that day or the day after.... And 2004? ........>>; I think I'm confusing myself, wait..........

Okay wait, so, XANA Awakens takes place in the beginning of '04 schoolyear right? If that's so, then The Trap would be beginning of '05 schoolyear, and in S3 when they start a new schoolyear for '06 they're sophomores and juniors? So then the first 13 episodes of S1 would be spaced throughout the 04~05 schoolyear, right?

Roar! I need my 8th grade planner...

[Rail Runner offline]

That timeline seems correct...possibly.

[Cassius335 offline]

Though that means the latter year (05 through 06) is VERY ep-heavy.

[Lani offline]

I fixed it!!

Indeed, Cassius - '04 to '05 is really, REALLY sparse as you can tell, only just about one or two XANA attacks a month. Of course, that will change as they go along!

And one thing I noticed while watching the first XANA Awakens with Rachael: When you see Jeremie's reflection on his screen, he's in his pajamas, and looks groggy. I'm going to guess it's the morning. Then, he only recaps him finding the supercomputer and turning it on. THEN begins the day. 10/9 in 2004 fell on a Saturday, and they did have class in that ep. The next episode AND the day after, we never see them in class. So I guess Yumi only came to rematch Ulrich for more practice.

Since they always seem to have a dance before a break, I put Teddygozilla on the Saturday before. Then that gives a lot of time between XANA Awakens 2 and the first eppy.

Same with Holiday in the Fog, except it's right before a holiday instead of a dance sooo ya.

And this also means that when they start out school this year in S3, Jeremie's 14, Ulrich and Odd are 15, and Yumi's 16.

And I STILL don't know when the latter three birthdays are! D: Wahh.

[Cassius335 offline]

And poor Aelita's the baby of the group... (if you don't count time off-line...)

[TB3]

Hmm - I'd point out that when we see Jeremie go to the factory, it probably isn't how he found it.

We see him get in the elevator, check around and then descend with a smug grin - clearly he's done it before.

I think October 9th might be the day when Ulrich found out and Jeremie turned the power on - later in the ep Jeremie had a large notebook he was using to help him, so he's clearly been studying the thing for some time.

Also, think of how Jeremie would have to have accessed the complex.

1. Work out that the elevator works and that there's something down there.

2. Find the hidden panel in the control box and enter the code.

Franz designed the complex to be secret, so I doubt Jeremie could have gotten in THAT easily.

I reckon he would have been scrounging for parts in the machine rooms and lower levels, and then probably accidentally got into the control room through that shaft in the wall above the support track for his console, subsequently discovering the elevator from the inside out.

The problem is the episode is very wooly about the details, but I would hazard this:

Mid September, Jermie finds the supercomputer and begins learning about it's hardware.

---OPTION 1---

October 9th/10th (Sat/Sun did you say Lani?) - late at night Jeremie flips the power on having decided in favour of it, and then discovers Aelita.

October 11th (Monday) - the events of how Ulrich joined the group, and the trial run which ends with Odd arriving on Lyoko.

---OPTION 2---

After the events of 'Xana Awakens', Jeremie writes it all up in his diary at the end of a long week of school and developing the materialisation program (only a few more days and I'm sure you'll get it - drive on laddie )

---OPTION 3---

That both of the above are wrong and October 9th has no real relevance to what we saw.

Hehe - unless we can get a canon statement, the meaning of this date is then up in the air - but it is reason to wish you a very Happy Birthday Lani

PS: In history I can only find one possible relevance to this date aside from the birht of a few French composers and so on:

October 9th 1514 - marriage of Louis XII of France and Mary Tudor

The union of two people from two different worlds, one of which is France - much like how Jeremie and Aelita came together, possibly on this date.

PPS: Assuming the Supercomputer shut down (for reasons unknown) on June 6th 1994, and assuming Jeremie flipped on the power on October 9th 2004, then it had been offline for 3778 days or 10 years, 4 months, 3 days, and Aelita with it.

[Lani offline]

I think October 9th might be the day when Ulrich found out and Jeremie turned the power on - later in the ep Jeremie had a large notebook he was using to help him, so he's clearly been studying the thing for some time.

That's what I was thinking, too. :O

Mid September, Jermie finds the supercomputer and begins learning about it's hardware.

---OPTION 1---

October 9th/10th (Sat/Sun did you say Lani?) - late at night Jeremie flips the power on having decided in favour of it, and then discovers Aelita.

October 11th (Monday) - the events of how Ulrich joined the group, and the trial run which ends with Odd arriving on Lyoko.

---OPTION 2---

After the events of 'Xana Awakens', Jeremie writes it all up in his diary at the end of a long week of school and developing the materialisation program (only a few more days and I'm sure you'll get it - drive on laddie )

---OPTION 3---

That both of the above are wrong and October 9th has no real relevance to what we saw.

Hehe - unless we can get a canon statement, the meaning of this date is then up in the air - but it is reason to wish you a very Happy Birthday Lani

I interrupt this quote to say Thanks

PS: In history I can only find one possible relevance to this date aside from the birht of a few French composers and so on:

October 9th 1514 - marriage of Louis XII of France and Mary Tudor

The union of two people from two different worlds, one of which is France - much like how Jeremie and Aelita came together, possibly on this date.

PPS: Assuming the Supercomputer shut down (for reasons unknown) on June 6th 1994, and assuming Jeremie flipped on the power on October 9th 2004, then it had been offline for 3778 days or 10 years, 4 months, 3 days, and Aelita with it.

The marriage thing I do find interesting. I'll keep that in mind cause it might be useful later...

But I think for now, since we have so many options, let's just keep the date up in the air, and I'll go fix my timeline later when we get more canon evidence... In the meanwhile I'll go work on putting the other 17 episodes in place

[Rail Runner offline]

The more I look at the evidence...a weekend discovery is awesome. I cant wait until we can plant the dates firmly and create an actual timeline.

[TB3]

I just realised Lani, that whenever Jeremie made that diary entry must be several days if not at least a week after the events of the prequel - because his computer has been reconfigured to run an interface with Lyoko (all the Aurebesh symbols on the screen).

Jeremie would have had to do this in order to construct the materialisation program and communicate with Maya, uh Aelita, but it appears he had to write it himself as it is subtly different to Franz's design - this would take up several days at least, and he probably started the day after the prequel when he realised the materialisation program wouldn't be a one-night job.

Grr, the meaning of October 9th is even more ambigious then ever.

[Shi_Min_Xi offline]

Awesome job, espically Lani and TB3, I appulad you for that. *claps* I think it's pretty cool how so many historical things tie in with CL. Though look at the list, I'm thinking there's some incosistency...

Late September - Jeremie discovers supercomputer etc.
October 9th - XANA Awakens Part 1
October 10th - XANA Awakens Part 2

October 8th - The Trap (Exactly a year since they met Aelita! It's not put on Sunday because they have no class on Sunday, and I do remember they had some tests)

I'm pretty sure it's just trival unless they were just like, "Yea, it's just a day off," since as Lani points out, October 9th of last year is a Sunday...However, looking at Wikipedia's recap of the whole episode for "The Trap," it mentions nothing about tests. Though, October 8th could work it you designate it to be the beginning of the episode which is, I assuming, the night before the marked-year anniversary. Just my two cents. Other than that, fantastic job you guys.

[Lani offline]

Noooo! I remember tests in The Trap; hold on... *puts on eppie*

Aelita asks, "What classes do you have tomorrow morning?"

Jeremie responds, "First we've got physics, and chemistry with Ms. Hertz, and then a math exam with Mrs. Meyer."

Math exam!!

And thanks, ;D

[Cassius335 offline]

Ressurecting this to ask: What's Lyoko's date of death (or 'deletion', if you prefer)?

[Lani offline]

:O!!~ Death of Lyoko Day?! I must figure that out... I haven't been touching the dates lately mostly cause I don't have constant access to S3 eppies.... Boo DDx But I'm pretty sure it's gonna be either Wednesday, Saturday, or Sunday, because the fact they didn't have school in Final Round... But I will figure it out in time.

[Cassius335 offline]

We still need most of the birthdays, too...

[Lani offline]

Tru dat. But so far in the 67 eps that have aired, none of the characters besides Jeremie have had actual birthdays that were shown Dx; I can figure out the year, but the specific date is a poo...

[TB3]

Guys, I got something for you!

Cl.net have the French scripts, and looking over Jeremie's October 9th diary entry I found a word the English dub dropped.

"Tonight, I decided to turn on the supercomputer."

So, when Jeremie discovered the computer is unknown, but at least a week or two earlier - October 9th is OFFICIALLY the day Jeremie turned the power on.

So, we now know EXACTLY how long the computer was offline.

June 6th 1994 - October 9th 2004 = 3779 days, or 10 years, 4 months, 4 days.

Cool huh?

Also, in my conversations with Moonscop I found they DO have a detailed chronology of events, so if we really do our work on this I could always send this to them like we did with LTT.

[Lani offline]

October 9th is OFFICIALLY the day Jeremie turned the power on.

So, we now know EXACTLY how long the computer was offline.

June 6th 1994 - October 9th 2004 = 3779 days, or 10 years, 4 months, 4 days.

Cool huh?

FDSGDGDFGGSGF <s>I ALWAYS KNEW I WAS SPECIAL</s> W00TS *puts it*

Also, in my conversations with Moonscop I found they DO have a detailed chronology of events, so if we really do our work on this I could always send this to them like we did with LTT.

Yay! Schweet. When I get back to school I'm gonna copy the calendar template I have and get back to work on S3! Well... get TO work on S3. Because I wasn't working on S3 in the first place... >>; Hehe.

[TB3]

Hmm - this thread has been silent for a while, but we finally have a statement in the show regarding time, and it's problematic.

Jeremie stated in 'A lack of goodwill' that they've been fighting XANA for about two years now - that would make the current 'time' late 2006.

This presents a major problem - as we know, Jeremie discovered the supercomputer in October 2004 - a year later Season One was in effect and in February 2006 we had 'St. Valentine's Day'

In 'The Key' we then see end-of-year events and in Season 3 the kids have moved up a grade, meaning Summer 2006 has passed.

The problem is, this then leaves Seasons 3 and 4 compressed into TWO MONTHS!

It simply won't fly, and it's the first time the show has contradicted it's own evidence.

So, how can we explain or twist this to our advantage? Could we pass it off as 'three years' by suggesting the writers forgot over a year had already passed by the middle of S1?

Hm, maybe I should e-mail Sophie again on the subject...

NB: At some point in S3 Jeremie and Aelita did a report on WW1 - possibly this was to co-incide with November 11th, which in France and the UK is known as Armistice Day (the day Imperial Germany surrendered to end WW1).

NBB: I found a website that lists phases of the moon as well as dates - we know that the day after Aelita came to Earth in False Start there was a full moon when she and Jeremie went out - if this moment occurs somewhere between October (The Trap) and Feburary (St. Valentine's Day), the day she arrived on Earth is most likely Monday, November 14th 2005, because the full moon occured 57 minutes after midnight on Wednesday the 16th, allowing a day in between for Aelita's arrival at Kadic.

The other possible date is Wednesday, December 14th which again, matches up with the full moon on the next day - however this is only a few days before the end of term for the Christmas holidays, and it seems unlikely that Aelita's introduction to Kadic would seem plausible to the staff 4 days before term broke up.

[Cassius335 offline]

The problem is, this then leaves Seasons 3 and 4 compressed into TWO MONTHS!

It simply won't fly, and it's the first time the show has contradicted it's own evidence.

So, how can we explain or twist this to our advantage? Could we pass it off as 'three years' by suggesting the writers forgot over a year had already passed by the middle of S1?

Hm, maybe I should e-mail Sophie again on the subject...

I've already commented on this in the other thread, but since S3 was a half season, I figured it was half a year (six months), leaving S4 occuring over 2007...

Besides, this is nothing. Pokemon's been going 10 years and Ash has yet to officially be considered 11...

[MY85 offline]

Besides, this is nothing. Pokemon's been going 10 years and Ash has yet to officially be considered 11...

Or a more accurate example: The Simpsons. You've seen celebrities as guest starts (going from Bret Hart, Billy Corgan to the likes of Simon Cowell, The White Stripes and Luadrcis, to mention a few) and during their prime or whatever reason they showed up, but the main characters simply don't age.

I remember that during Season 1, Jeremie mentions they've been fighting against Xana for like a year. For the life of me, I can't remember the title of the episode, but the episode ended with the characters eating cake in front of Aelita.

I think a few months passed by between Season 2's ending and Season 3's beginning. Same could be said for S3's ending and S4's beginning.

Two years is feasible. But the show has been going on in France since 2003 or something...

[Tangent128 offline]

The problem is, this then leaves Seasons 3 and 4 compressed into TWO MONTHS!

Well, Jeremie did say that they fought XANA nearly every day (by that point, anyway)...

30 episodes in from the start of S3 until "Goodwill" allows for one episode per two days on average. (Though we need to factor in the time rebuilding Lyoko)

No wonder Ulrich had trouble keeping up with his studies... those kids are busy...

[TB3]

The problem is, this then leaves Seasons 3 and 4 compressed into TWO MONTHS!

Well, Jeremie did say that they fought XANA nearly every day (by that point, anyway)...

30 episodes in from the start of S3 until "Goodwill" allows for one episode per two days on average. (Though we need to factor in the time rebuilding Lyoko)

No wonder Ulrich had trouble keeping up with his studies... those kids are busy...

The problem is that in the recent episode Milly and Tamiya comment that William's been spaced out for several months now - it still doesn't fly, and makes me weant to beat my head against the wall!

NB: Codelyoko.fr have these 'secret diaries' for the characters - I confirmed while at Moonscoop that Odd's was correct so we can say they came from the writers themsleves - thing is, each entry says which day of the month and week it is, so I was able to match events to calendars to get the year.

YUMI: Monday 20th March (2006) - events of 'Routine'
ULRICH: Thursday 19th October (2006) - events of 'Final Cut' (note, Ulrich refers in his entry back to the events of 'The Trap', which in S1 occured AFTER this episode).
AELITA: Monday 16th May (2005) - events of 'Uncharted Territory'
ODD: Tuesday 15th November (2005) - events of 'Zero Gravity Zone'
JEREMIE: Friday 12th May (2006) - events of 'Code: Earth'

As you can see, the dates are wildly skewed - if this were true, then somehow Uncharted Territory occurs a year before Code Earth, and Zero-Gravity-Zone occurs after the events of Uncharted Territory and 'Final Cut' occurs after that!

Sophie later admitted in an interview that they do get the dates mucked up at times, and this is the proof - so does this mean we can disregard the contradictory evidence given in 'A Lack of Goodwill' and change 'two years' to 'three years'?

(shrug)

[Tangent128 offline]

Hmm... maybe it was three years, and the "two years" was a reference to when XANA attacks began to become frequent enough that Lyoko fighting began becoming a full-time job? I need to see S1 again...

Or, we could change the "1 year anniversary" to, say, a "3 month anniversary". They didn't have the overall plot worked out during S1, after all...