A good/bad rant. Depends how you look at it.

[Tom Bone offline]

Characters: Tommy (Me), Mike (bully) Melissa (friend), Steven (other friend).

Scenario: Walking to the busses on Thursday afternoon after a hard day at (Insert what ever name you feel like here) Middle School.

Story: So Steven, Melissa and I were walking to the busses. Steven, unfortunately, is bullied a lot, and one of those stereotypical-type football players, Mike, pushed Steven into the wall. I get pissed and give Mike the finger. (dum dum dum).
"Are you doin' that to me?" Mike asks angrilly.
"Yeah," I retort, "What are you going to do about it? I'm just sticking up for my friend."
"You want me to punch your face in, you little *bleep*
I sighed. "I'm not afraid of you, Mike."

My friends and I walk away.

"Nice work, Tommy." Melissa says.
"Thanks." Steven says.
"Well," I brag. "That's just me: 'making the world better for kids like Steven'!"

Meanwhile, that Jack-A, Mike comes up behind me and pushes me from behind and if I hadn't caught my ballance, all my teeth would've shattered from the fall to the floor. As Melissa and Steven gasp, I turn around and say to Mike (who is dashing around the corner to get away from me), "You f***in Jack@$$! Why don't you do that while I'm looking! I'll kick your @$$ for me and Steven!"

Melissa an Steven congradulate me.

The End.

Well, I feel good for getting that off my chest.

(I hope I spelled everything right. )

[MY85 offline]

As it was good that you defended your friend, now your new current problem will be facing the bully again. And bullies won't settle things down verbally. So you're gonna have to endure the bully again.

If you're weaker than the bully, there are still ways to endure this.

1) The brokeback (from a bully's POV) or correct way to endure this would be accusating the bully to the teachers, but hey, teachers have to endure with more problems than just dealing with a mere bully who happens to be on the football team.

2) You can kick his ass. If you're in the classroom, low blow him and then bash a chair on his head with no mercy and use anything you got inside a classroom to make the bully bleed.

Hope that's helpful, because it's a given that now the bully will go against you, Tom.

[CotS offline]

sounds like you did the right thing.
just watch your back for a while. If what I know of bullys (which is not a lot considering that I've never met one) is right, than if you don't act scared than he'll get bored and go after someone who he can scare. (at least that works with some of them)
Hope that helps.

[Lyokofreak offline]

2) You can kick his ass. If you're in the classroom, low blow him and then bash a chair on his head with no mercy and use anything you got inside a classroom to make the bully bleed.

Hope that's helpful, because it's a given that now the bully will go against you, Tom.

I like that method

[Jeremified offline]

What you did right: You stood up for your friends! You came out of the 85% of the bystanders* and defended your friend! (*National survey: 5% population were bullies, 10% population were victims, rest were bystanders)

What you did wrong: Cussing may be effective, but I find it unnecessary.

[CotS offline]

What you did wrong: Cussing may be effective, but I find it unnecessary.

I agree.

[Tom Bone offline]

What you did wrong: Cussing may be effective, but I find it unnecessary.

I agree.

I as well. I regret that...kinda.

[Ulrich's lil bro offline]

YAY! That was awesome! I think you did right all the way. Real friends do that ya know. But, now you have another problem on your hands.

The bully is coming after you now (dum dum dum ) so you have to find some way to beat him. you could tell someone, but I doubt that'll be very effective. the beating him up might fail unless you come up with a plan or the best one... you jump him. A good ol fashioned jumping. You, your 2 friends and anybody else you can rally, find him somewhere alone, and you all team up on him and kick his sorry little pathetic bully wannabe @$$. Like that song by Eminem. "You ain't no m******* bully, and I ain't bowin to no m******* bully...."

I think that the cursing was good. It was plenty effective and added to the dissing. I wish I could be with ya, it would be my first real bully. KICK HIS ******** @$$! And I would dis him like crazy, ya know what I'm sayin.

[Writing_Addict offline]

That was a good and bad thing....mostly good!

Hopefully the guy won't come back for thirds....

Atleast your bully doesn't live around the corner....

[Lola offline]

YAY! That was awesome! I think you did right all the way. Real friends do that ya know. But, now you have another problem on your hands.

The bully is coming after you now (dum dum dum ) so you have to find some way to beat him. you could tell someone, but I doubt that'll be very effective. the beating him up might fail unless you come up with a plan or the best one... you jump him. A good ol fashioned jumping. You, your 2 friends and anybody else you can rally, find him somewhere alone, and you all team up on him and kick his sorry little pathetic bully wannabe @$$. Like that song by Eminem. "You ain't no m******* bully, and I ain't bowin to no m******* bully...."

I think that the cursing was good. It was plenty effective and added to the dissing. I wish I could be with ya, it would be my first real bully. KICK HIS ******** @$$! And I would dis him like crazy, ya know what I'm sayin.

I love that song!!!! but you did the right thing. always stand up for your friends...

[. offline]

As it was good that you defended your friend, now your new current problem will be facing the bully again. And bullies won't settle things down verbally. So you're gonna have to endure the bully again.

If you're weaker than the bully, there are still ways to endure this.

1) The brokeback (from a bully's POV) or correct way to endure this would be accusating the bully to the teachers, but hey, teachers have to endure with more problems than just dealing with a mere bully who happens to be on the football team.

2) You can kick his ass. If you're in the classroom, low blow him and then bash a chair on his head with no mercy and use anything you got inside a classroom to make the bully bleed.

Hope that's helpful, because it's a given that now the bully will go against you, Tom.

No.

Only the bad guy hits the low blow. Just sock him in the mouth and improvise from there.

[HYDEfangirl offline]

You did the right thing Tommy but my suguestion would be to tell Steven to tell Mrs.Saliva so Mike can get in trouble for pushing YOU AND STEVEN around. Or just go to guidence on Mike because if he still does that he can get kicked off the bus and get suspended for what he did. And as a few other people the cursing wasn't nessary.

and to the other people who said to fight him back: VIOLENCE DOESN'T SOLVE ANYTHING

[Ulrich's lil bro offline]

and to the other people who said to fight him back: VIOLENCE DOESN'T SOLVE ANYTHING

Here we go again.I gotta admit that i took it a little too far, but, you're wrong there. Hasen't anyone realized that the saying is just a bunch of bull. Me, I'm not a mean person, but I can tell when there's a situation that gets outta hand. Volence does solve many things. One of them just so happens to be painful, but,

A. Telling someone like a teacher won't do any good, because the bully can come back easily and can't be stripped of his right to go to school. Unless he gets expelled, cuz that's different. Probably all they'll do is to make him apologize, but that won't change a thing.

B. As I stated, violence does solve more things than people expect. But, you're not supposed to enjoy it that much. (You can enjoy it a little) Violence will intimidate him into thinking "Oh, i better not mess with him anymore" But, it's not something to take for granted. Also, #1 rule, Don't get caught.

Of course, you can't help but feel a little bad about it. But, it's necessary to teach that guy a lesson.

[Mewberries151]

and to the other people who said to fight him back: VIOLENCE DOESN'T SOLVE ANYTHING

Here we go again.I gotta admit that i took it a little too far, but, you're wrong there. Hasen't anyone realized that the saying is just a bunch of bull. Me, I'm not a mean person, but I can tell when there's a situation that gets outta hand. Volence does solve many things. One of them just so happens to be painful, but,

I'm inclined to think you have it backward...I've yet to see violence solve anything on any plane. Someone always walks away mad and unhappy, and once you start being violent as well, you've only lowered yourself down to the bullies level. The idea that "violence solves problems" is utter nonsense really, to me.

A. Telling someone like a teacher won't do any good, because the bully can come back easily and can't be stripped of his right to go to school. Unless he gets expelled, cuz that's different. Probably all they'll do is to make him apologize, but that won't change a thing.

Actually, this in itself isn't true either. There are many things a school can do to get rid of a bully, in addition to expelling. What's more, most bullies only pick on people they know won't fight back (because they don't want anyone to know they're doing it). It's not a myth that some bullies aren't intimidated by teachers getting wind of what they're doing, but most bullies will back off if they know you're not going to hesitate to involve the teachers and/or the authorities. Most of them don't want to end up in Juvenile Hall (or worse).

B. As I stated, violence does solve more things than people expect. But, you're not supposed to enjoy it that much. (You can enjoy it a little)

You're joking right? Enjoy hurting someone? That's completely ridiculous. Why would any sane person take pleasure out of intentionally causing someone pain?

And if you're talking about enjoying the "taste of revenge" or something, remember this, "what goes around comes around". Once you start dishing out harm onto others (even if they hurt you first) it will come back to you, more than likely by the person you dealt it too.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Violence will intimidate him into thinking "Oh, i better not mess with him anymore" But, it's not something to take for granted. Also, #1 rule, Don't get caught.

Ah, key phrase there though, "Don't get caught". The minute one lowers themselves to the bullies level and begins picking fights with him, you're asking for that because eventually you will get caught. It's quite possible the "bully" will tell on you himself, just to get you into trouble. The likelihood of them deciding that "Oh, because he fought back, I better not mess with him", is slim. He'll want to have his own "revenge" and gain back his "face", and according to this code, "violence will solve that problem".

You see what ends up happening? It's a vicious cycle, that continues to get worse and worse.

Lowering yourself to violence isn't necessary. The teachers are there for a reason, and unlike in most cartoons, they actually can do something about your situation (and so can your parents). Remember, a bully will always be far more intimidated by an adult or authority figure then they will of you.

[. offline]

You did the right thing Tommy but my suguestion would be to tell Steven to tell Mrs.Saliva so Mike can get in trouble for pushing YOU AND STEVEN around. Or just go to guidence on Mike because if he still does that he can get kicked off the bus and get suspended for what he did. And as a few other people the cursing wasn't nessary.

and to the other people who said to fight him back: VIOLENCE DOESN'T SOLVE ANYTHING

World War I, World War II, every episode of Justice League. Don't give me that that two are wars, and one is fake. Violence is VIOLENCE. A fight is a fight.

The point is, if your going to use force, you're sure you 'ought to. That meaning the guy your opposing is just as much looking for a FIGHT as you are. That if you punch him he's going to hit you back twice as hard. And also of course, that you don't kill the guy.

A good fight, ideally will be the explosion and cool everyone down and IDEALLY only leave people pretty bruised up. it's NOT FIGHTING and using words that tends to excalade the situation.

[Mewberries151]

A good fight, ideally will be the explosion and cool everyone down and IDEALLY only leave people pretty bruised up. it's NOT FIGHTING and using words that tends to excalade the situation.

Hmmm...I really have to disagree with you there though. There's proof in a lot of the more recent news stories that fighting back escalates a situation to a dangerous level.

I don't see how a fight will "cool" anyone down, past maybe burning off some of the pent-up steam. However, it's really a given though, that the loser isn't going to be happy with being the "loser", particularly when it comes to a "reputation". And depending upon what kind of person they are, and how serious they want to take things...you could be looking at a lot of trouble.

And there's still the added trick of "not getting caught", which is frankly an impossibility...because you will eventually be caught.

[MY85 offline]

Lowering yourself to violence isn't necessary. The teachers are there for a reason, and unlike in most cartoons, they actually can do something about your situation (and so can your parents). Remember, a bully will always be far more intimidated by an adult or authority figure then they will of you.

Have you ever been bullied, Mew? Congratulations if you haven't got beaten up in your life once.

Okay... we all know that Tom's current problem will be facing the bully. Indeed that a bully would fear authority, but that is just temporal, once the authority fades away from the bully's sight, the bully will go back to his anthics again.

You think a teacher will solve everything? Sure that they will focus on Tom for a while, but there's more problems at a school that can easily take more priority than Tom's problem and that's when his situation gets ignored and then he's on his own again. Which is kind of why most people here were suggesting to do this on his own. Sure he could report the alert of this bully, but he won't be the only one with problems. Many people have all kinds of problems at school and Tom's problem can get shoved aside easily.

The only moments when school take inmediate action is when a person gets constantly reported for doing the same actions or when somebody does something that goes against the school's economy. In my school, most bullies didn't got expelled, just threatened, but that didn't solve anything (in my opinion, murder would be the right choice for some of them). Only few get expelled easily and that was when it involved blood. It's easier to get expelled in my ex-school when a kid snatched many tickets for sandwichs and gave it to all his friends and people were constantly eating sandwiches for free and the school quickly expelled that kid for harming the school that way.

[Tom Bone offline]

I told the guidence counseler about this little incident yesterday and she said Mike (insert random last name that you want here; I prefer dumb@$$) is going to be punished for bullying Steven AND me. Thank's for all your help, everyone!

[Gauntlet offline]

Mewberries, I think it sounds like revenge and self-defense are a little bit mixed up. Although, I do agree on some of your points, I don't quite agree with others.

You're joking right? Enjoy hurting someone? That's completely ridiculous. Why would any sane person take pleasure out of intentionally causing someone pain?

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Two wrongs don't make a right.

I agree with this completely. That's how I was raised. I do think it is absurd to enjoy causing pain in someone, though Ulrich's lil bro does have a point, even if it wasn't explained properly. If you let the bully nag on you, you've lost the war already. They only look for grief or unhappiness in others, but once you stand your ground, they'll move onto the next victim.

Getting teachers involved won't really do much. Bullies are grade-A actors. Behind the scenes, they're cruel to their victims with no sympathy. Once a teacher is in the area, the bully and the victim are the best of buddies. Like I said, once you fight back, the bully is pretty much done with you for the most part. He doesn't want a fight, he just wants to dominate someone.

Self-defense should not be confused with revenge. Revenge is in spite, just wanting to see another individual get hurt when there is another option available to settle the problem with. Self-defense is self-explanatory. If violence in retaliation wasn't allowed, Security Guards and Police Officers would be red flags for some punks to rough them up at the mall. The same applies for teenagers.

Children are simply too young to understand what's going on when another child begin bullying them. That's when the parents and teachers can step in and actually do something helpful. They're so superficial, almost anything will work, such as a color system (We used to have that at elementary. Did one bad thing, you change your color, and it works until they begin to grow older...). Once the children in question age, they're not so simple. Tricking teachers into the "we're buddies" scheme, psychological attacks and the like start to show is when bullies begin to bare their fangs.

I told the guidence counseler about this little incident yesterday and she said Mike (insert random last name that you want here; I prefer dumb@$$) is going to be punished for bullying Steven AND me. Winking Thank's for all your help, everyone!

Congratulations. Just watch your back. Either he'll back off and it'll work, or he'll come back twice as hard. I hope its the former, though. Keep us updated!

[HYDEfangirl offline]

Congrats Tommy. I hope everything works out I told all you people that violence doesn't solve anything

[Gauntlet offline]

I told all you people that violence doesn't solve anything

I hope you meant intentional violence, not self-defense. I'm ready to type up another essay to back it up!

[HYDEfangirl offline]

I told all you people that violence doesn't solve anything

I hope you meant intentional violence, not self-defense. I'm ready to type up another essay to back it up!

I ment intentional violence from the start.Self defence is a different story. and you couldn't have kept what I typed in small font.

[Mewberries151]

Mewberries, I think it sounds like revenge and self-defense are a little bit mixed up. Although, I do agree on some of your points, I don't quite agree with others.

I'm not mixing them up really. As a black belt in Tae Kwon Do (and having been a victim of bullying myself way back when), I simply advocate that violence isn't needed unless your life and health is in danger. By all means, if a bully has you pinned against the wall and is trying to beat you within an inch of your life, then absolutely, get out of there anyway you can. That's not bullying anymore though, that's assault, and a very serious offense. If it gets to that point, then not only would I advise involving the teachers but the authorities as well.

However, if you're being bullied, I do not find it in one's best interest to seek out the bully and then try and beat him up, as not only could that get you into trouble for fighting, but you've now given him a reason to fight back. It's far better to report and incident after it's happened and let those in a better position to deal with the situation, as that way, there's no way you can be implemented as helping the violence along.

And I completely think this concept of getting "revenge" is what has caused so much of the fear and horrific events that have been occuring in schools as of late. If these kids had simply told someone that they were being hurt or were in trouble, I can't imagine it would have come to that conclusion.
And I'm beginning to think it starts with kids who believe that myth that telling the adults doesn't help and that they have to deal with it on their own in any way possible.

Self-defense and revenge are too entirely different things. I'm not quite sure why you thought I was mixing them, although perhaps I didn't make it clear that if you're being beaten, then self-defense and "fighting back" in a sense is your only option. However, I would not say that were you in a situation like this, that fighting back to "win" would be the right course...fighting back to escape and get help, yes, but not to try and "turn the tables of power" on the bully.

These are just my own opinions though. I just really hate violence and the amount of violence in school's today just sickens me really. That's why I'm so opposed to the idea that "violence is the answer", because I just don't see how it can be, much less how it helps anyone in the long run.

In any case though, I'm glad things have been working out for you, Tom Bone.

[Gauntlet offline]

Self-defense and revenge are too entirely different things. I'm not quite sure why you thought I was mixing them, although perhaps I didn't make it clear that if you're being beaten, then self-defense and "fighting back" in a sense is your only option. However, I would not say that were you in a situation like this, that fighting back to "win" would be the right course...fighting back to escape and get help, yes, but not to try and "turn the tables of power" on the bully.

Ah. Alright, I understand. Sorry, I might have misread then. I do agree with the last thing you mentioned though, turning the tables, most of all.

Kudos!

[Mewberries151]

Self-defense and revenge are too entirely different things. I'm not quite sure why you thought I was mixing them, although perhaps I didn't make it clear that if you're being beaten, then self-defense and "fighting back" in a sense is your only option. However, I would not say that were you in a situation like this, that fighting back to "win" would be the right course...fighting back to escape and get help, yes, but not to try and "turn the tables of power" on the bully.

Ah. Alright, I understand. Sorry, I might have misread then. I do agree with the last thing you mentioned though, turning the tables, most of all.

Kudos!

Nah...don't worry about it. I type really weirdly sometimes, and I don't always explain myself fully, to be sure. ^^ Plus...I tend to get a little overly passionate sometimes about certain issues, and forget to make sure I fully clarify my opinions. *sweatdrops*

Kudos to you as well though.