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Postby Astro-Xana » Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:05 pm

Cassius335 wrote:And you were doing so well for the first paragraph...

Now how can that be? My 2nd paragraph was much more creative and interesting than the 1st! I mean, I was talking about how Xana might escape and what he would do once he was out into the real world which is obviously more interesting than simply explaining what I did in the 1st paragraph about the outfits. But as for Xana escaping into the real world, what does Xana require? Doesn't he require system resources? Therefore, don't you think that Xana not only took over multiple supercomputers for the whole Replika thing to take place, but also for him to acquire the system resources of these many supercomputers?

Carth wrote:I think he/she was going on a wild tangent there. (What gender are you, Astronomical XANA?)

But I do agree, your first paragraph makes some good points. Except for the fact that we saw Ulrich's new form in 3D, in that magazine. And there are models. But still, the plot's still in development.

I am a male and also a human (in case you didn't know). But wouldn't both the real world and the virtual world feature them in 3D? Also, because of Translation, wouldn't Xana be able to materialize any monster he wants into the real world which is why Team Lyoko has their new outfits in the real world to fight these monsters just like they would in the virtual world? Also, what is this "Inverse Translation" I made up? Isn't that something Xana has made by modifying the Translation process Jeremy created which would result in Team Lyoko being separated from themselves just like Ulrich was in "Nobody in Particular" leaving the helpless ones in their normal real world outfits in the virtual world while the possessed ones are in the real world with those new outfits (or wait, would it be the other way around)? Also, do you think that Jeremy will somehow learn how Xana did Inverse Translation and then use Inverse Translation to bring William back to normal (separate him from Xana) leaving the evil William in the virtual world who would then have to be defeated and the good William having to be fused with his body the moment it is devirtualized like Ulrich did in "Nobody in Particular?"

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Postby Writing_Addict » Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:48 pm

Is this an episode idea? Because I'm confused...
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Postby AmericanLyokoTeam » Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:20 am

nice fanfic, etc.

Moving on, I too would like to see some more of the new stuff, particularly I want to see what Yumi actually turns out like since we had an highly incomplete 3d render at best that looked closer to her old design than the new one drawn there which actually looked pretty nice. I'll keep my eyes pealed, but it'll probably be a while.
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Postby Writing_Addict » Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:54 am

It look simple too. It would have been a PAIN to animate her Geisha outfit on lyoko before. I always say that to myself everytime I see her on Lyoko.


Actually it's a pain to animate anything...
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Postby Taelia » Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:01 am

Season 4's production is happening right now, so I'm guessing that the Warriors will retain their special powers.
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Postby Ghost Guest » Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:26 pm

Astronomical X.A.N.A. wrote:
Cassius335 wrote:And you were doing so well for the first paragraph...

Now how can that be? My 2nd paragraph was much more creative and interesting than the 1st!


If you say so. Look, there's nothing wrong with sharing your ideas, just be sure to do so in the proper place. The stuff your're talking about is just too random for this thread.
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Postby Cassius335 » Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:28 pm

Astronomical X.A.N.A. wrote:
Cassius335 wrote:And you were doing so well for the first paragraph...

Now how can that be? My 2nd paragraph was much more creative and interesting than the 1st!


Looks more to me like you pulled half the dictionary out of a hat at random.
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Postby Mewberries151 » Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:29 am

JxA Addiction wrote:Actually it's a pain to animate anything...


:*D And how! XD

It's a great joy though, to see one's animations move and come to life...but the process of creating one... *faints* ;D
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Postby Writing_Addict » Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:45 pm

I'd like to see some of my friends characters come to life. Now how to get someone do that not my problem.

So I guess MoonScoop is pretty busy.
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Postby TB3 » Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:19 pm

JxA Addiction wrote:So I guess MoonScoop is pretty busy.


You'd better believe it.

Put it this way - when we visited Paris in August, just over a month before S3 came out, we established with Jerome that the best time to call him at his office was at 10 o' clock.

At night.

If he was working shifts until that late during the period for wrapping up S3, imagine what it must be like pushing to meet S4's now-already-looming deadline, especially when we consider that the character models have all been changed, all new environments have to be created, and 2D animation must now include dynamic fight scenes.

Kinda makes you appreciate how much effort goes into a bunch of 22-minute episodes.

With that in mind, I'm certain that S3 was filler not just for plot reasons, but also so that Moonscoop, Antefilms and Hong Kong Animation could begin ramping up production for S4 - I'm now convinced that one of the backgrounds I saw being painted in August is for one of these new Supercomputer Rooms, which proves in my mind that the effort going into S4 beggars belief.
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Postby Taelia » Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:07 pm

New...WHAT?! :D
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Postby DarkestSoul X21 » Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:25 pm

When I go the Subdigitals CD, I got subscribed to this secert Code Lyoko Club and when Season 4 is around the corner, I will get a lot of info and a couple of pictures.
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Postby Skorpigeist » Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:01 am

I just have to say that I am liking some of the concepts that have been verified, as well as looking at other people's ideas. I am interested in the avenues that this story could take. I am also impressed by those that got to go visit Moonscoop. I bet that was quite the experience. living here in the states, trips like that are very very rare.

Again though, I have to express my only fault with season three was a lack of explanation of why Xana "turned evil" as it were. Also, I wanted to know more about Franz Hopper. I guess these will be answered in Season 4, but I was hopping that 3 would do that for me.
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Postby Sithking Zero » Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:53 am

Dude.

Lyoko forms in the real world.


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Postby Writing_Addict » Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:10 am

TB3 wrote:
With that in mind, I'm certain that S3 was filler not just for plot reasons, but also so that Moonscoop, Antefilms and Hong Kong Animation could begin ramping up production for S4 - I'm now convinced that one of the backgrounds I saw being painted in August is for one of these new Supercomputer Rooms, which proves in my mind that the effort going into S4 beggars belief.


Oh well then...that ends my suspicions about new computers...
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Postby Jeremified » Sat Dec 16, 2006 8:18 pm

Waitwaitwait. (I love making up compound words ^^;) Lyoko merges with the real world? :O
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Postby Cassius335 » Sat Dec 16, 2006 8:22 pm

No. But Jeremie's apparently found a way to send the gang, in (new?) Lyoko form, to various parts of the real world in order to destroy or otherwise deal with infected supercomputers.
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Postby Tangent128 » Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:56 am

So, what was Jeremy meaning when he talked about sending them to the Internet, then?

Was he refering to the Replikas or Translation, or will they be sent online as well?
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Postby Naton » Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:58 am

I think he's just guessing that Xana will use internet for future attacks, and wants the ability to send the team wherever online when that time comes. It didn't matter where they're going at the time, so long as the means were ready, and I'm guessing that sending people on the internet isn't an easy task to figure out..
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Postby Overcaffeinated Sloth » Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:20 pm

Cassius335 wrote:No. But Jeremie's apparently found a way to send the gang, in (new?) Lyoko form, to various parts of the real world in order to destroy or otherwise deal with infected supercomputers.


If you're basing that on the 2d pictures shown in that frame, remember that you can't just have an idea and begin to shape up a block of polygons and triangles into a 2nd mesh 3d charachter.You have to have someone to make those for you, to figure out a good charachter without too many moving parts, while still interesting.

besides, if you didn't have the merge between 23 and 3d animation, then the show would lose it's kick, like, oh what was it... that power rangers/code lyoko ripoff... started with a z.... something.

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Postby Mewberries151 » Sat Dec 23, 2006 12:54 am

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Cassius335 wrote:No. But Jeremie's apparently found a way to send the gang, in (new?) Lyoko form, to various parts of the real world in order to destroy or otherwise deal with infected supercomputers.


If you're basing that on the 2d pictures shown in that frame, remember that you can't just have an idea and begin to shape up a block of polygons and triangles into a 2nd mesh 3d charachter.You have to have someone to make those for you, to figure out a good charachter without too many moving parts, while still interesting.

besides, if you didn't have the merge between 23 and 3d animation, then the show would lose it's kick, like, oh what was it... that power rangers/code lyoko ripoff... started with a z.... something.


Er...well, actually he's basing that off of info gained from a French Magazine which suggested that season 4 would include precisely that...Team Lyoko being able to keep their virtual forms in the real world in order to destroy these other infected super computers.

Apparently it involves a new process, the "Translation" process, and can only be done through the use of one of the Replikas.
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Postby Sithking Zero » Sat Dec 23, 2006 1:27 am

I actually hypothisized that this was possible when I first heard about how the scanners worked... Now if only there was a way to do it faster then light, it would be possible to teleport people/things!

Man, I miss LTT...

But back on topic, I don't think "Destroy the other supercomputers" is a good idea. How would they get back to Kadic once the computer was destroyed?
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Postby Aurabolt » Sat Dec 23, 2006 3:27 am

Sigh...Although the prospect of having Lyoko forms in the real world is extremely promising, and trust me; it is, I'm not liking it as much as I want to, really. Sure, giving them power works so they can no longer be targeted, that I can live with. But I can already see three big problems with this.

1) The problems with others seeing these abilities. They are basically becoming superheroes, and students, as well as faculty members, know what they look like. It's a VERY bad idea to be involved in this matter, especially if Xana attacks a public area or the school. Too many people seeing those faces would cause mass suspicison, perhaps even things a Return to the Past cannot fix.

2) This completely reasserts the targets for Xana. Without remorse, Xana will target Jeremie, in many ways his archenemy, and I'm sick of that. Sure, Aelita and the others will protect him, but the fact remains is that he is now the lifeline to defeating Xana, and he needs to be able do something if the others are all on Lyoko.

3) As such, Jeremie has to find a way of giving himself either the ability to defend himself in the real world, gain a Virtual form and do what the others do, or both. I will not stand for someone who has given his all to help these people, especially Aelita EVERY STEP OF THE WAY, to be continually targeted. He has to be able to defend himself and those around him. End of story.
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Postby AmericanLyokoTeam » Sat Dec 23, 2006 3:54 am

correct me if I'm way off base here, but wasn't the notion that they would only leave the system with powers when translated to an enemy suptercomputer system and dropped off there to destroy it. I figure the notion is as soon as they destroy the remote computers they would return somehow and come out the orriginal system normal. Thus it wouldn't really change the Kadic segmements, they'd still be vulnerable until virtualized and Jeremie would indeed lack protection all the time.

Was anybody else getting that from the info we had so far?
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Postby Rycr » Sat Dec 23, 2006 5:10 pm

AmericanLyokoTeam wrote:correct me if I'm way off base here, but wasn't the notion that they would only leave the system with powers when translated to an enemy suptercomputer system and dropped off there to destroy it. I figure the notion is as soon as they destroy the remote computers they would return somehow and come out the orriginal system normal. Thus it wouldn't really change the Kadic segmements, they'd still be vulnerable until virtualized and Jeremie would indeed lack protection all the time.

Was anybody else getting that from the info we had so far?

Well, I think XANA will be using these new supercomputers to attack locally, so some or all of them will be transferred to the real world through that computer to fight whatever XANA is doing in the real world probably involving William, while others will remain in the Replika itself to deactivate the tower or delete it or something. This means we probably won't see Aelita in her new outfit in the real world, since she has to stay in the Replika, but you never know...

Well, now we know that those 2D drawings of the new lyoko forms aren't just concept art for the 3D models!

You know what? If they DO destroy the new supercomputers one by one, I can see some very awkward situations where they have to figure out how they are getting back to France. No matter what happens, season 4 has the potential to be the greatest Code Lyoko season yet! Now we just have to wait and see if MoonScoop can pull it off!
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