Suicide.

[Paige offline]

Here's a REAL topic for you guys.

And NO, I'm NOT planning to attempt it.

And this won't be a long rant at all, I just need to know some.. opinions or reasoning behind why you people even think about possibly doing it, OR actually attempting to...

Yeah, I know life SUCKS sometimes, but I'm sure that not EVERYONE hates you that much that you actually have to kill yourself!

Please explain this.... idea to me, aren't you SCARED to do it?

[Gauntlet offline]

I'm pretty much sure everyone has thought about suicide, whether they want to or not. I believe those who focus on the results of committing suicide instead of actually killing themselves are the ones who don't think about it constantly, and have no intention of suicide.

I've thought about suicide as well, but I snap out of it and realize how cruel that would be to my family. My parents are in their late 40s, and my autistic brother is going to have to fall into someone's hands. Without it sounding totally sappy, I have to be there for him when he gets older, financially and with love and care.

I can't say I've ever cut myself or attempted suicide, nor can I say I have a degree in psychological matters, but the answer is pretty clear. Without having this sound offensive or claiming people who hurt/kill themselves are dumb, I don't think they grew up with proper care. Most people who kill themselves have fallen into hardships in life, and feel they can't handle it.

Yeah, everyone has hardships, and life does suck indeed, but learning how to handle it, and understanding people do love you is the deciding factor to me in most cases.


To answer your final question, if I ever got to the point where it was suicide, I think I would be scared. Not for myself so much, but more for my brother and my family, knowing the kind of stress it'd put my old folks under, and especially any problems my brother will have when he's an adult and my parents are long gone.


Going to vote "no", I haven't thought about killing myself seriously. The thought has crossed my mind a few times, but never would I consider it the only option.

[jayde_child offline]

Some peoples life may suck but suicide isn't a reasonable answer.

Suicidal people are freakin selfish. There are people out there who have cancer and they would pay hundreds just to have one more minute of life. Their life has been limited and suicidal people are trying to kill themselves right now?

It's just stupid. You guys should watch the movie saw.

[. offline]

Saw was a piss poor excuse movie. Watch Requiem For A Dream instead.

I'll admit I've been guilty of debate of throwing myself into on comming traffic as of late. Is it selfish? yes. Well it bring me happiness and peace? no, I'll still be miserable and rotting in hell but... ah I'm not going into it.

[Carth]

It does wander into my mind every once in a while. Usually on Wednesdays.

But I push it away pretty quickly. Okay, so if I look at it, my life isn't 'perfect'- I have few to no friends at school, I'm oversensitive, and I spend a good chunk of my life wishing I was older so I could actually make a difference in things. But...as said, life is finite, and we really should savor every second we can, cause we'll want it when it's leaving us.

Not only that...I've read too many stories about suicide victim families, and I never, ever, EVER want to put my folks through that. And if I have that fear, then I love someone, and I know they love me back. There's no reason to die.

That, and I'd never get to see S4! What's the fun in that?

[KayLenny#7 offline]

It's not really fair to call suicidal people names. Just because some people may have it worse than them doesn't mean anything. I learned in health class (we did a unit on depression) that "any problem that is significant to you is important. It's not about what society defines as what problem is the worst, it's about how it makes you feel because you have to live with your feelings, not society's."

[Gauntlet offline]

It's not really fair to call suicidal people names. Just because some people may have it worse than them doesn't mean anything. I learned in health class (we did a unit on depression) that "any problem that is significant to you is important. It's not about what society defines as what problem is the worst, it's about how it makes you feel because you have to live with your feelings, not society's."

I agree with that statement, namely about not calling victims of suicide names, and your quote. However, there is always a better option that suicide. I don't see victims of suicide as bad people, just ones who made wrong decisions.

There are counselors, health care professionals, suicide hotlines, and even your friend(s) would be a deciding factor. I've talked to one of my friends while he was drunk; he logged on to the MMORPG I play, and began talking about suicide in the middle of town, in public view. Apparently everyone ignored him, as his sister logged on the next day thank me for being the only one talking him out of it.

So, with the above in mind, there isn't really a justifiable option for suicide. There's always an alternative.

[Lola offline]

I used to think if someones case was bad enough that suicide could be justified. I was soon after taught very wrong and I believe to what I was taught very well. there are ALWAYS other options. and there is always a light at the end of the tunnel no matter how long and how dark it is. Thats how my good friend described it to me. he also shed light on me to the fact that there is no such thing as a perfect life. That everyone has a purpose though they have free will if they want to fulfil it or not. Everyone has needs and responsibilities. and Everyone is needed by someone. no matter how dim it may seem. and though I never SERIOUSLY thought about killing myself I did at one time believe it could be justified. I used to argue with Nick about it and offer situations where it could be. that wasn't very smart. In a matter of seconds he'd come up with an easy fix-up to some of the most complicated and harsh things I could think of. thats when I learned it was wrong and that there was no reason for it ever.

[Darkborn offline]

Well, I've cut myself plenty of times. I'm not really scared of hurting myself anymore. I'll proboly get rid of this problem later on.

[Chosen_one offline]

Life is a valuable thing. We don't know how it works. But there are some things that are certain.

Life cannot be perfect. If it was, then life cannot exist. This is because there are not enough resources, either physical, mental, emotional, or demographical, to satisfy the needs of all humans. Our resources are limited, and therefore our lives cannot be perfect.

However, life is still a miracle. We have been blessed by our creator with the ability to think, consider, control, manipulate, and reason. We have the privelege of being members of the most sophisticated and intelligent species on the face of the Earth. We are lucky to be alive.

So now consider our opportunities. Yes, some of us don't have friends. Some of us are depressed. Some of us have lost loved ones. But consider how lucky we are not only to be alive, but to be able to live the lifestyle that we live. If you're reading this, then your family can afford to go on the Internet or to go to someplace with Internet access. You have a computer. You probably live in a house. You probably have food in your house. People in poverished places such as North Korea are STARVING. They live on just $900 per year. That's less than my father makes in a month. Two-thirds of North Korea are dying of hunger. Yet we people, living in industrialized nations such as the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Japan, China, Peru, Mexico, etc., with so many opportunities in life, with governments that protect us in the name of safety and peace rather than use us as puppets to make themselves look good, with opportunities for labor, something that so many people, including my own family, dream about. (My family immigrated to America because we wanted better job opportunities.) And then among us, the ones that are much better off than third-world nations, are people taking their lives for granted for stupid reasons. Friendship is important. Understanding is important. But is it so important that you can't live without it? By killing yourself, you are wasting what your family has dedicated to you. By killing yourself, you are preventing all future possibilities to achieve your goals. By killing yourself, you are wasting resources that could save a poor person. You are lucky enough to have the things you have, and you are willing to throw it all away, so nobody can ever use it, because you don't have everything that you want at the moment. Because you have not surpassed the impossible. Because you have not defied nature's law of balance.

What a pathetic reason to die.

That's my response for today.

[Paige offline]

Alright so, after reading Chosen_One's and Gauntlet's responses, I'm glad that I'm not the only one who shares your views.

My dad once told me, [when I was asking him for advice on what to do about a friend of mine who felt like she wanted to kill herself] "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temorary problem."

That has been like, my suicide.. philosophy if you will. I totally think that suicide is selfish and a cry for attention. Because if you're really gonna commit it, you're not exactly gonna tell someone.... unless you want them to stop you. [sunconciously you may be thinking this as well] So basically, by telling someone, you're just seeing if they care enough about you to stop you, and if they will give you more attention. I think it is so ridiculous to do that, I HATE it when people tell me they are going to kill themselves. I literrally think, "Oh, here we go again." And then I have to spend like allll night trying to convince my friend not to do it. It is actually kind of inconvenient.

I have to say, I've thought ABOUT suicide yes, but never with the intention of attempting it. I mean, that thought has never crossed my mind. I know I have a family who loves me. I have oh so many friends that all love me too, and I just overall have an excellent life, and I don't mean to gloat or anything, it's just my situation. Yes, there are downsides to it, but I always get through them with the supposrt of my family and freinds, or just through my own will, because I'm not gonna let something so stupid like losing a friend or breaking up with a boyfriend ultimately cause me to lose my life. That just is lame, and then it puts all the blame on the person whom you claim is the cause.

I always ask people so many questions when talking to them about why or what is causing them to want to commit suicide. First of all by just asking someone why they want to, gets a LOAD off their chest, because just talking about anything helps to get over it even just a little. Second, I ask them, "Would you really want to do this and have your family and friends suffer and be sad that you were gone?" "Why would you want to give up a good life when some people are doing WHATEVER they can to stay alive."

It's lame, ridiculous, pathetic and STUPID to end your life that way. I wouldn't be sad if a friend of mine killed themself. I would be mad that they would be so selfish to leave their family and friends in the position of no longer having that friend anymore.

The reason I even brought this up though was because I visited a freidn of mine in the hospital yesterday, and she was in there becase she tried to overdose on tylenol, but my friend and I forced her to go to the office and we called her mom and made her mom take her to the hospital. She would have died if she had gotten there like 3 or 4 hours later. I wanted to ask her WHY she really went through with it, especially over a STUPID boy, but she just said I wouldn't understand.

I TRY to understand, I do, but I just don't think I could EVER understand why a person would want to kill themselves.

[Gauntlet offline]

My dad once told me, [when I was asking him for advice on what to do about a friend of mine who felt like she wanted to kill herself] "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temorary problem."

I really like that quote. I think I've heard it elsewhere, like years ago, but I can't recall for certain.

That has been like, my suicide.. philosophy if you will. I totally think that suicide is selfish and a cry for attention. Because if you're really gonna commit it, you're not exactly gonna tell someone.... unless you want them to stop you. [sunconciously you may be thinking this as well] So basically, by telling someone, you're just seeing if they care enough about you to stop you, and if they will give you more attention. I think it is so ridiculous to do that, I HATE it when people tell me they are going to kill themselves. I literrally think, "Oh, here we go again." And then I have to spend like allll night trying to convince my friend not to do it. It is actually kind of inconvenient.

Ah, yeah, I know what you mean. I haven't had anyone who had threatened to kill him/herself just for my attention, but I've had friends who deal with that problem. They used to, rather. They dropped them after getting fed up with it, and I guess they found someone else to leech attention off.

It irks me as well, but I think I'd probably have to get to know the person before ignoring them. Most situations aren't the same, although I wish they were. It'd be that much easier to find a solution.

I always ask people so many questions when talking to them about why or what is causing them to want to commit suicide. First of all by just asking someone why they want to, gets a LOAD off their chest, because just talking about anything helps to get over it even just a little. Second, I ask them, "Would you really want to do this and have your family and friends suffer and be sad that you were gone?" "Why would you want to give up a good life when some people are doing WHATEVER they can to stay alive."

I appreciate it when people give and receive a listening ear. You're right, it does really lift the weights from their chest if they can talk to someone. That night, when my friend (not really a best friend, just met him a long time ago and remembered him) logged on drunk and I talked him out of it, he logged on shortly after his sister did. Letting him talk really did help, and I'm sure it'll help everyone else.

The reason I even brought this up though was because I visited a freidn of mine in the hospital yesterday, and she was in there becase she tried to overdose on tylenol, but my friend and I forced her to go to the office and we called her mom and made her mom take her to the hospital. She would have died if she had gotten there like 3 or 4 hours later. I wanted to ask her WHY she really went through with it, especially over a STUPID boy, but she just said I wouldn't understand.

I TRY to understand, I do, but I just don't think I could EVER understand why a person would want to kill themselves.

I'm glad to hear she has such good friends. My cousin downed close to a hundred pain killers year or two back; he told his parents he took some, but didn't say how much. My father went over there, and forced him to speak, and we got him to the hospital in time. He had a pretty roughed up childhood though, namely his father's abuse. They lived in Jordan, and we brought them over here.

He's really out of it most of the time, and his sister wants to go back to him, and his mom wants her husband to come over to live with them: twisted minds to put it simply. So, in a way, I feel like this pertains to your issue.

Like I said earlier, I don't claim to be Dr. Psychologist, or have a degree in any related field, but my mother usually talks to me about these things. I believe, more than seeking attention as I stated above, she needs help. I don't know how close you are to her, so I'm going to assume she's a close friend, and that it's tough on you. You know, her putting all this emotional stress and dependency on you, and literally placing her life in your hands? Attempting to commit suicide to a boyfriend? Seems like she needs a bit of help.

Anyways, I hate saying those kind of things because it makes it sound like I'm making the other person out to be wrong-doing/evil all the time, but I don't know how else to put it. I don't think "she can never be a friend", or "can never stop making wrong decisions in life", but I believe it's just that she needs some professional help on these kind of problems.

I hope your friend gets out of the hospital soon, keep us updated!

[Paige offline]

Yeah, she just got out today. I'm really happy she's out and okay... but now she's not gonna have ANY privacy and her parents aren't gonna trust her...

And I STILL don't understand why she did it.

[Tom Bone offline]

Even though how horrible my life is (being made fun of by kids older and younger than me on daily basis), I have never thought about suicide. Though it would be weird to see what life without yourself would be like. And what's waiting for us on the other side anyway?

*waits for answer*

That's right! We don't know! So before I die (which will probably be a murder considering what I say to some people to defend myslef), I wanna make the most of my life here.

[HYDEfangirl offline]

@ Tom Bone: I never knew younger too.

My life is pretty horrible too. Spending 4 days in a hospital, finding out you have 1 kideny, hypertension, diabeties the works. I also found this out in a span of 2 months. So many doctors and meds that I have to take. I never thought it would have come to the point that I would commit suicide. I am surronded by all my friends and family and my boyfriend and his family. No I would never do that. I may go goth to make a statement about myself but nothing that drastic. No I would never do it. I live life to the fullest.

[Lola offline]

Life is a valuable thing. We don't know how it works. But there are some things that are certain.

Life cannot be perfect. If it was, then life cannot exist. This is because there are not enough resources, either physical, mental, emotional, or demographical, to satisfy the needs of all humans. Our resources are limited, and therefore our lives cannot be perfect.

However, life is still a miracle. We have been blessed by our creator with the ability to think, consider, control, manipulate, and reason. We have the privelege of being members of the most sophisticated and intelligent species on the face of the Earth. We are lucky to be alive.

So now consider our opportunities. Yes, some of us don't have friends. Some of us are depressed. Some of us have lost loved ones. But consider how lucky we are not only to be alive, but to be able to live the lifestyle that we live. If you're reading this, then your family can afford to go on the Internet or to go to someplace with Internet access. You have a computer. You probably live in a house. You probably have food in your house. People in poverished places such as North Korea are STARVING. They live on just $900 per year. That's less than my father makes in a month. Two-thirds of North Korea are dying of hunger. Yet we people, living in industrialized nations such as the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Japan, China, Peru, Mexico, etc., with so many opportunities in life, with governments that protect us in the name of safety and peace rather than use us as puppets to make themselves look good, with opportunities for labor, something that so many people, including my own family, dream about. (My family immigrated to America because we wanted better job opportunities.) And then among us, the ones that are much better off than third-world nations, are people taking their lives for granted for stupid reasons. Friendship is important. Understanding is important. But is it so important that you can't live without it? By killing yourself, you are wasting what your family has dedicated to you. By killing yourself, you are preventing all future possibilities to achieve your goals. By killing yourself, you are wasting resources that could save a poor person. You are lucky enough to have the things you have, and you are willing to throw it all away, so nobody can ever use it, because you don't have everything that you want at the moment. Because you have not surpassed the impossible. Because you have not defied nature's law of balance.

What a pathetic reason to die.

That's my response for today.

GO CHOSEN ONE!!!

[Paige offline]

I agree.

[ji45ojperjfenfpen offline]

Well, I've thought of suicide. I dont really have a good reason to continue living, but there are little things that other people would think are stupid. Like if I killed myself I wouldnt be able to play a future kingodm hearts game or read new chapters of my favs fanfics out there when they are updated. Plus death scares me, but yet it doesnt....but if something really embaressing happens to me or if I fail the 8th grade, I will consider killing myself...

[mooshie offline]

I think suicide just has to do with one's outlook on life, pesonaly as a reductionist, nihilist, aetheist, and oppurtunist, I see human life as pointless, so the only reason to stay alive is self preservation if you think you genes are worthy to be passed on, and happiness, and I'm sure at least one of those applies to you, if not, I'm not going to say "go for it" but personally the wasy I see it if you have such little self preservation that you are willing to commit suicide than you should be removed from the gene pool (members of LF excluded obviously beacause they're awesome!)

[Osiris offline]

i myself have thaught of suicide especily a few years ago when my life got kinda crap....but what make me stop is when i think of the effect it would have on my family it just wouldent be fair besides if your life sucks now it might be okay later as one of you said "suicide is a perminant solution to a temporary problem" but it all really depends on your frame of mind because i have also heard the quote "Suicide is a tried and tested formula for release" people who feel alone and that they have no reason to go on it seems like a way to end there pain

personaly i think its a bit selfish but i can symathise with some of the cases you hear about

[Paige offline]

I think that ever single person in the world has the potential to become amazingly great, but not everyone always lives up to their full potential.

Now with that in mind, why would you want to kill yourself if you could could change the world?

[MY85 offline]

Now with that in mind, why would you want to kill yourself if you could could change the world?

One of my friends killed himself for some reasons:
-First off, he drove a car drunk with 4 friends. Crashed the car, killed his girlfriend and the others got injured.
-He would end up going to jail for 8 years for accusations of murder.
-Had elevated depression and was on drugs.
-Couldn't stand the fact that he commited murder, felt his life had no more sense and took his life away.

The end of a life. He used to consume yeyo and pot and was a drunkie.

[Darkborn offline]

This is what I say.

"If you kill yourself, you die and everyone else you knew will just go on living."

[HaloFan136 offline]

I've thought about it once, but my best friend talked me out of it. Suicide isn't the answer to anything. Work out the problem and live a great life. That's what I say.

[Jeremified offline]

I made a debate on assisted suicide, but mostly learned about suicide. Here's my final opinion:

For mental depression or illnesses:
1. Therapy usually helps.
2. If it's an illness, ask a doctor for help- there's a pill or something to help you most likely.

For physical pain:
1. Take painkillers, so long as it's safe and non-addictive.
2. Again, ask a doctor for help.
3. If 1 and 2 both fail, suicide might be the only way out, unless this works:

For either:
PRAYER. It has been known to do countless miracles, including for me.