Return to the past PLEASE LOCK!

[YDV offline]

But then, how does it send everyone else's mind back?

It doesn't. That's why they don't remember anything from the attack.

TB3, uh... nice theory.. but hopefully you know that you're WAYYYY over-analyzing it.

[bduddy offline]

No... it sends the gang's minds backl in time, in their current state, but with everyone else, simply restores them to how they were before (barring death). That's what I meant, anyway...

[YDV offline]

No... it sends the gang's minds backl in time, in their current state, but with everyone else, simply restores them to how they were before (barring death). That's what I meant, anyway...

Okay... explain how a computer rips the "minds" out of people that aren't transferred to Lyoko (meaning having their virtual DNA and consciousness stored on the Super Calculator) and somehow sends the.. brainstuff.. back in time, because they're not all always in Lyoko and yet they retain their memory.

I think it just has who to send back in a list somewhere, and (after sweeping through Lyoko), the white RTTP light exits through the main processor and "picks them up" whenever it gets to them, after "pausing" time/terminating the XANA attack.

Like this:

1. Jeremie enters Temporal Coordinates
2. Presses the Enter key and activates the RTTP program
3. The time travel process begins, starting from the core of Lyoko-- Carthage, where I believe it is located-- and out into the sectors through the tunnels, which lead to the towers
4. After a complete sweep of Lyoko (which should only take about a second), the RTTP program exits through the main processor of the Super Calculator
5. It exits the chamber through the holomap (as seen in Exploration)
6. Sweeps over the whole planet (I think.. though it may just be limited to France)

*Through the process, it "adds" Jeremie, Aelita, Odd, Ulrich, and Yumi to a sort of "cache" of Kids To Be Sent Back In Time. Once the sweep is over, they are sent back and the XANA attack never happens.

Occam's Razor... I think that's the simplest explanation and it makes the most sense.

[Cecilia offline]

-sigh- I'm going to throw in my random thoughts, being the lazy person that I am and feeling that if I attempt to untangle these thoughts, I'll end up angry with at least three people with whom I agree.

1. The entire idea of time travel within itself will ALWAYS cause controversy even if someday a hard-based fact comes along. (This includes the debunkering of the grandfather clause, but that's beside the point.)

2. As far as it being -just- the "kids" and XANA, either XANA -is- "tagging" them or something or there is some other method that prevents them from receiving the same type of so-called mind-wiping that the others get (though for some reason I keep thinking there's an instance where one of the team didn't remember a mission...)

3. Concerning death: While it's true that humans are extremely complex creatures, it's just that: they're creatures. WE are creatures (on the other side of a keyboard, of course.) The difference between us and any other animal/plant/bacterium physically is/can be great, but mentally there is a much larger gap. Most "regular" animals have set instincts; easy to replicate. Humans vary so greatly that it becomes a never-ending chore to even formulate an idea for one. So...to recreate a dead person...

It would have to be as an animal...it would/could still have a "soul", but not a distinct mind.

O.o;; Personally, time and death make a VERY bad pair and...I'm not even sure we were meant to delve this deep into the workings of the show...but then, I don't think they expected people of this intellect to be interested in the show. xD To them, we're probably overthinking the issue.

I know I'm going to regret posting this...

[Mewberries151]

I know I'm going to regret posting this...

^_^ No you won't. You make some really excellent points, especially regarding the RTTP and death. And you're right...we are going really deep into this, and likely alot deeper than Antefilms would expect.

*snickers* We're probably the only people who, if Jeremie were to explain exactly how the RTTP works in full detail, would listen with full attention. He'd love this.

[Snarky Jargon offline]

Yeah, time travel really is just going to give us a headache, but heh, it's fun to overthink!

X.A.N.A. tagging them is an interesting point, though. How did X.A.N.A. tag them? We know that Ulrich, Odd, Yumi, Jeremie and Aelita have "cards" for their Lyoko form--but how does a person get the card? At first, I assumed you got it from going on to Lyoko, but Jeremie had his card before "Mister Puck" and "Ghost Channel." So we can inference it's done manually.

Let's say that the white flash that goes off just before acts like a camera on freezeframe. At that moment, X.A.N.A. takes a look at what he's done and evaluates his performance, then records the memories of the Lyoko gang, and then sends them all into the past. Odd, Ulrich and co. retain their memories because X.A.N.A. or the supercomputer got them down before resetting time--so any damage done to their bodies or the buildings are reversed.

Heh. It'd be interesting, though, if X.A.N.A. recorded the memories of, say, Sissy. Let Sissy think she's going crazy for a few hours or so.

[bduddy offline]

If XANA was that directly associated with the RTTP program, I'm sure s/he/it'd have found a way to mess with it by now. I mean, XANA is capable of astounding errors of judgement, but there's no way s/he/it could overlook something <I>that</I> obvious...

[Snarky Jargon offline]

Heh, yeah, it was just a theory. I suppose it'd be better if the supercomputer was the one saving everything, but no one ever said timetraveling made any sense.

And X.A.N.A. already found a way to mess around with the RTTP--"A Great Day" proves that. (Although I'm a little fuzzy on the details of that episode. Has X.A.N.A. always been getting power from the RTTP, or was that only just after A Great Day?)

[MY85 offline]

Has X.A.N.A. always been getting power from the RTTP, or was that only just after A Great Day?)

I assume they figured out that XANA gets more powerful every time they use the RTTP. So, now it's awesome to see how to figure out to save the day without the RTTP...

[Lyokofreak offline]

I think...

RTTP makes Xana stornger each time the program is activated , i would like to see what Xana can do if he gets 2X stornger , possess candy? Blow up every persons computer in the world? WHO CARES , i jus wana c Xana kick sum a**

[TL.]

Snarky Jargon Siad:

Well, when they say "return to the past" I think they literally mean returning to it--it's like setting back a clock a few hours, or hitting the rewind button. Time is reset to the point where X.A.N.A.'s tower first activated or when he began making the moves on Earth--whichever is more convinent.

What bugs me about the RTTP is does it send the body of a person back, or their minds? And if it's just their minds, as the show suggests (that broken arm from 'The Trap' would've been hard to explain otherwise), how do they do it? Also note that while injuries don't follow them back, exhaustion does. As for the buildings... hahawow I don't want to think about that. Property damage is just... fixed?

And what about on Lyoko? Is the damage done there reversed, too? Does X.A.N.A. come back with all his memory, or does it all get wiped out and leaves him drained for a few days?



This is the basic theory that I believe, despite being raised listening to TB3's ranting on Back to the Future.

[Cassius335 offline]

maybe Matt or Jodi should ask the scriptwriters to come down here and have a laugh at us (if they can read English) - they might even get a few ideas.

That would be good (if they could use our idea's, of course).

[Astro-Xana offline]

You already know that in the past, your former self is there (previous self). Therefore, when everyone returns to the past, why is it that they do not meet their former selves?

[TB3]

You already know that in the past, your former self is there (previous self). Therefore, when everyone returns to the past, why is it that they do not meet their former selves?

*sigh*

Astro XANA, you should know the rules about digging up old threads, and this one hasn't been used in over a year.

Also, I thought you of all people would have read LTT by now and would understand the established principles behind the RTTP - it doesn't physically move people into the past, it sends data back in time and then that data is integrated into the memories of the kids and the memory banks of the supercomputer, preventing XANA's attack via foreknowledge.

I guess I really should get around to starting LTT3, but this thread is not going to become it - it's old, outdated, and redundant, so I'm gonna lock it - no offense intended towards you though.

LOCKED

[MY85 offline]

Just because TB3's LTT exists already doesn't mean there shouldn't be a thread avaiable for the RTTP subject. Jesus.

If anything, let's give this topic some life. Let's ask some questions to the CL fans.

Which RTTP moment you hated the most?

Which RTTP moment you liked the most?


Easily, I'd say I hated it when Jeremie pulled the RTTP on Routine. But I was glad when he did the RTTP on Cold War.

Yeah, this thread can live, regardless of some LTT thread.

[Sithking Zero offline]

- Routine, then we could have ended 98% of all UXY angst, but NOOOOOOO, Jeremie had to be a little (BKO) and leave me SUFFERING!!!!! JEREMIE (BKO)!!

+ I can't remember the episode title, but it's the one where they go to the factory at night, but Yumi's parents and the teachers follow Kiwi there, and they all scatter, but Jeremie takes Jim to the lab and does a RTTP.

[MY85 offline]

+ I can't remember the episode title, but it's the one where they go to the factory at night, but Yumi's parents and the teachers follow Kiwi there, and they all scatter, but Jeremie takes Jim to the lab and does a RTTP.

Exploration, Season 2. Yep, lots of people inside the factory sounds pretty screwed up.

[Sithking Zero offline]

Yeah, that one. Thanks!

The other one I think was cool was when the satelite fired the superlaser at Yumi's head in S1, when she was trying to draw its fire from the protestors, and the RTTP stopped a FRIGGEN SUPERLASER a FOOT from her head. THAT was freaking awesome.

[Ghost Guest offline]

I hated it when Jeremie pulled the RTTP on Routine.

Yeah, That RTTP was a shame... but Jeremie didn't launch it. It sort of activated itself... like it used to happen sometimes in season 1.

My favorite RTTP is actually the collection of RTTPs that occured in "A Great Day".

[Cassius335 offline]

I can only assume there's an Auto-Program for the RRTP so it activates whenever a tower is deactivated... only it hasn't been active for two seasons

[Sithking Zero offline]

I think Jeremie deactivated the deactivation-triggered RTTP after he figured out it was just making XANA stronger.

[Cassius335 offline]

Exactly.

[Saphire-089 offline]

Sorry for a little "bump",

But does it matter how far back they go, or does XANA gain the same amount of power each time, regardless if it's 2 days into the past, or two weeks (Which is probably unlikely they'll go back that far).

[Taelia offline]

Which RTTP moment you hated the most?

When Jim lost his memories of the Factory and being kind to the little ones. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

Which RTTP moment you liked the most?

When Ulrich nearly got wolf-bitten.