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[Astro-Xana offline]

Well considering how long Odd and Yumi survived (weren't decinigrated yet) which may have been for more than just 10 minutes (considering that they were already unstable in the real world before they even went into Lyoko), I'm not sure how long this one virtual being would last who is the fusion of all the Lyoko warriors. But still, it would be interesting to see Jeremy design a giant scanner for all the Lyoko warriors to enter and for him to do Virtual Fusion to fuse all the Lyoko warriors into one being into the virtual world in order to battle Xana William.

Now with my 1st question out of the way, I would like to ask another interesting question which is that in Season 2, Jeremy was so close to programming that anti-virus for Aelita (with the only thing missing was the data from Sector 5 as stated by Xana Franz Hopper). Jeremy obviously thought Xana had given Aelita a virus which is why he was going to program her an anti-virus. But obviously it wasn't a virus and it was just her missing fragment. But then it turns out that in Season 3, Xana does give Aelita a virus through the Scyphozoa (in possessing her to enter Code Xana in deleting the sectors). So my question is why is it that Jeremy didn't finish programming Aelita's anti-virus because if he did that, then while the Scyphozoa was giving Aelita a virus, Jeremy could launch the anti-virus in preventing Aelita from being possessed, and thus preventing the sectors from being deleted? Which also arises the question of could Aeltia's anti-virus be used for William as well? Or does it require that Jeremy program William his own anti-virus?

[nap* offline]

Jeremie's not very logical sometimes, because he could of done a number of things, like devirtialized the overboard when she first got possesed, started the devirtulization progress, although we may have ended up with evil Alieta (yay).
Jeremie was probably worried about the welfare of Alieta to be thinking a making of an antivirus, also the destruction of lyoko was also a big priority.

I think william would need an antivirus of his own, because that virus even though the same that as the one that attacks Alieta could have taken over his body much more easily, this is because Alieta has been stuck in lyoko for years meaning she has the most resistance to X.A.N.A's possesion attacks, william on 5 - 10 mins, and now that X.A.N.A has unlimited access to the internet, he can get the latest viruses made to beat Jermies antivirus.

[Cassius335 offline]

So the computer would have to do an avarage between every cell in the body, but that would take a long time! If it reads only one, which one is it and what would happen if that cell had a mutation (big one) in the DNA strand?

Good question. I'd assume it reads various cells from various bits of the body (not all of the bodies cells, but enough for a decent sample) and cross-references the ones it has.

After that... it just depends how pervasive the mutation is. If it's present in a minority of the sample, it won't effect the Avatar. If is in a majority... bad things will happen.

[JeremyHopper offline]

Ah, bad things happen, that makes sense. Then again, maybe the computer has a basic blueprint of what human DNA is supposed to be like, and if there are any abnormalities then it will compensate. Meh, maybe not, because it's abnormalities that make people different from each other.

On a different subject, maybe the way they will get William un-possesed will be an anti-virus program. I imagine that XANA might have some kind of shield around William so that he can't have a program downloaded into him, and then the gang might have to destroy the shield without killing William. There's another question, do you think that if they killed William that he would devirtualize or be lost forever?

[Cassius335 offline]

Maybe he'd just devirtualise. And I hope there'd be no miracle cure for Xana. If there was, there's be no more show.

[DarkestSoul X21 offline]

Well as I read the info about Season 4. XANAWilliam will be able to come to Earth to do who knows what. If they do devirtualised him he may still be XANA.

[Astro-Xana offline]

I was wondering, could the RTTP take on a different form besides a time bubble? For example, when the RTTP is launched, could it form a huge white beam of light towards the sky which would make the sky pure white and there would then be a bunch of white lightning (RTTP lightning) which only strikes certain things/people into the past? Another example would be if Aelita (in her new season 4 outfit) were to be in the real world and her Energy Field would be different in which Jeremy does something as to where she has RTTP orbs in place of her normal Energy Field orbs which are orbs she would use to blast certain things/people into the past. And what would be cool about these RTTP orbs as well is that when she forms them in her hands, they would make a rewinding sound instead of what the sound the normal orbs would make when they are formed.

[Cassius335 offline]

See what I mean?

EDIT: Damn, that makes no sense unless someone reads the other thread first

[JeremyHopper offline]

Yes it would be cool, but we're trying as hard as we can to talk about things that could really happen. Maybe if you could explain to us how this could happen we'd be interested, but... I'm not so sure this is a thread for just posting "cool ideas".

[Cassius335 offline]

but... I'm not so sure this is a thread for just posting "cool ideas".

That would be my interpretation too.

[Astro-Xana offline]

Yes it would be cool, but we're trying as hard as we can to talk about things that could really happen. Maybe if you could explain to us how this could happen we'd be interested, but... I'm not so sure this is a thread for just posting "cool ideas".

But I'm asking you how this would happen. I hardly know anything about computers and technology which is why was thinking you could answer the question of how the RTTP taking on different forms (with my examples of RTTP lightning and in the form of Energy Field for Aelita) would work. And you do notice that some of the ideas that I come up with don't make any sense at all. That is because I do not possess the knowledge of computers and technology to explain my ideas in order for them to make sense. But seriously, if I did have a lot of knowledge of computers and technology and physics, etc., then I would be able to explain my ideas in which they would make perfect sense and that instead of them just being "cool ideas," they would be more than that. They would be nonsensical ideas that have actually become real, make perfect sense, and worth discussing!

[TL.]

Astro, please listen. The Astro XANA theory and the time bubble that can change the future...they are simply several ideas you would find in poor fan fiction. The ideas are not based in fact. There is no scientific fact to support it. LTT is proud of the fact that its theories are based in fact. Not only that, several parts of it, like Quantum dots have been endorsed by Moonscoop for instance, heck Jerome tried to convince the producer TWICE to get it published. The only fictional aspect of LTT is the superconductor.

Your ideas are nonsense. They simply use ideas that don't work. They are merely a fanboy's fantasy. Seeing you trying to sell your ideas to the other Lyokologists are plain annoying. Please stop.

[Cassius335 offline]

Nice one, TL. You put that far better than I ever could.

Now if we could just get your admin brother in here and make it Law.

[Taelia offline]

I heard "quantum" in an S3 episode too, so...

[Tangent128 offline]

Your ideas are nonsense. They simply use ideas that don't work. They are merely a fanboy's fantasy. Seeing you trying to sell your ideas to the other Lyokologists are plain annoying. Please stop.

A rather harsh way to put it, don't you think?

LTT is proud of the fact that its theories are based in fact.

but... I'm not so sure this is a thread for just posting "cool ideas".

Maybe creating a "cool ideas" thread would be the best way to get LTT back on track? We don't want to stifle the use of LTT concepts in fanfiction, but at the same time, fanfiction is irrelevant when you're trying to reverse-engineer what appears in the actual show.

In other words, separate the hypothesizing speculation from the what-else-could-be-done spectulation.

[JeremyHopper offline]

Well the craziest "fan-boy fantasies" are what spawned the technology we have today, so go easy. I think it's mainly the words AX used that threw us off. I mean, RTTP lightning may not be the right phrase to use. Maybe what he meant was "directed energy RTTP". See, that makes a lot more sense.

[Cassius335 offline]

No, not really!

[JeremyHopper offline]

Um... instead of an ever-expanding bubble, the RTTP would be directed towards a source, in a linear fashion.

[Reesane offline]

*Pokes head in.*
I appologise if I am interuptin somthing, but this was bugging me:

Can you overtake the RTTP bubble? It moves at a definitive speed, and (from what I understand) only things that are within the "bubble" are affected. Also, the "bubble" must travel across the entire univers. (Otherwise, they would be having some problems right now.) So, theoreticly speeking of couse, if you had a fast enough space ship you should be abbile to over take the RTTP.

Can it be done? Or is the edge of the "bubble" unreachable once you are consumed by it?

[TB3]

*Pokes head in.*
I appologise if I am interuptin somthing, but this was bugging me:

Can you overtake the RTTP bubble? It moves at a definitive speed, and (from what I understand) only things that are within the "bubble" are affected. Also, the "bubble" must travel across the entire univers. (Otherwise, they would be having some problems right now.) So, theoreticly speeking of couse, if you had a fast enough space ship you should be abbile to over take the RTTP.

Can it be done? Or is the edge of the "bubble" unreachable once you are consumed by it?

The bubble theoretically can be outrun for a time depending on your personal stance, but it's pointless anyway.

Many people seem to assume that the Big White Bubble is the 'cause' of an RTTP, and consists of some awesome time-controlling-energy.

However, it's far more likely that the bubble is the 'effect' rather than the cause. In short, rather than being 'time energy', the bubble is the visual representation of the universe being erased since the timeline has been destroyed (like how Marty McFly begins to fade away in Back to the Future after preventing his own birth).

The evidence for this is that the cut-off-point for the timeline seems to be when Jeremie presses the key triggering the data-burst to the past. From that point this timeline has ceased to exist, and all we see after is the universe being erased.

Why do I think this - because the laser stopped!

Explanation: In Satelite Jeremie hits the RTTP button and we see the laser/particle beam STOP inches from hitting Yumi!

THIS, IS, IMPOSSIBLE! There is no way shutting down a tower/triggering an RTTP is going to cause a powerful particle/energy ray from stopping in mid air, any more than it could stop a light ray.

We've also seen (in 'Plauged') a XANA-controlled rat hovering in mid-air, frozen in mid-jump and about to bite a student, reaffirming that after the RTTP is triggered, things go strange.

Therefore, I think that what we see after the RTTP is triggered is not actual events but a metaphoric image - a sort of 'moment out of time'. None of the kids will remember anything that occurs after the RTTP button is pushed, because the data-burst only includes memories up to the point of hitting the button, nothing after (this may also explain why Jeremie keeps saying 'Return to the Past, now!' because he doesn't ever remember saying it unless he says it before hitting the button).

This also explains how the laser stopped - it did so because we saw it through Yumi's perspective - she only remembers what happened up to the point Jeremie whacked the button - since she doesn't remember anything from this point on, from Yumi's perspective time stops, and the laser does with it.

So, from a practical standpoint;

It's impossible to outrun the RTTP bubble according to our current understanding, because the flow of time grinds to a halt just after Jermie presses the button. The universe is then erased - however in order to make things more dramatic we have the time-bubble effect as a representation of this.

Sorry if this all sounds a bit confusing.

[Reesane offline]

Ah. That explanes alot, actualy.

[Ghost Guest offline]

However in Satellite we see Yumi changing her facial expression after the laser stopped. That couldn't have happened if that timeline had ceased to exist after Jeremie hit the key. And in Tidal Wave Odd yelled "I'm so hungry!" also after Jeremie had pressed the key. Not trying to sound rude, I just remembered that and thought I should mention it.

[TB3]

However in Satellite we see Yumi changing her facial expression after the laser stopped. That couldn't have happened if that timeline had ceased to exist after Jeremie hit the key. And in Tidal Wave Odd yelled "I'm so hungry!" also after Jeremie had pressed the key. Not trying to sound rude, I just remembered that and thought I should mention it.

Again, this is one of those problematic things - heck even with the 'rat frozen in mid air' the student it was about to bite was trembling.

As I said, what happens after Jeremie hits the key is metaphoric, since this is a moment that no-one will remember - it all gets confusing even for me - it might be worth going through the show and seeing what else of note has happened after Jeremie triggers an RTTP, whether any more things stop inexplicably or freeze in mid-air.

[JeremyHopper offline]

I remember we talked about this in LTT #1, and I thought the explaination we had was that only the beings under XANA's control get frozen? I'm sorry to say... this could just be some continuity error! If they showed EVERYTHING frozen in time after Jeremy pressed the RTTP button, then little kids watching the show would asking why everything stopped. That's about all I can think of at the moment...

[TB3]

I remember we talked about this in LTT #1, and I thought the explaination we had was that only the beings under XANA's control get frozen? I'm sorry to say... this could just be some continuity error! If they showed EVERYTHING frozen in time after Jeremy pressed the RTTP button, then little kids watching the show would asking why everything stopped. That's about all I can think of at the moment...

No offence JH but the idea of something controlled by XANA 'freezing' doesn't fly with me personally - I mean how? Mind-controlled rats won't suddenly hover in mid-air if you cut off the thing controlling them, nor will a highly destructive beam of charged particles (which weren't even under XANA's control technically, only the thing firing them).