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[jaimehlers offline]

Hmm. Wait: Wasn't Yumi trapped in a Guardian once? Maybe XANA got a REAL good look at her code then.

True - it's also worth keeping in mind that the supercomputer probably stores the most recent scan of a subject as a back-up (hence Jeremie's magical-self-healing ankle in S1's finale) - also, Jeremie's comment that a specific tower houses William's Digital DNA may mean that this is routine and that the same applies to the other users. For example, the tower housing Yumi's data may be the one used by XANA in 'Image Problem', and the same for Jeremie in 'Double Act'.

Except didn't Jeremie use the same tower for both his and William's clones in that episode? At least, that's the impression I got from seeing the tower used in both cases.

[TB3]

Hmm. Wait: Wasn't Yumi trapped in a Guardian once? Maybe XANA got a REAL good look at her code then.

True - it's also worth keeping in mind that the supercomputer probably stores the most recent scan of a subject as a back-up (hence Jeremie's magical-self-healing ankle in S1's finale) - also, Jeremie's comment that a specific tower houses William's Digital DNA may mean that this is routine and that the same applies to the other users. For example, the tower housing Yumi's data may be the one used by XANA in 'Image Problem', and the same for Jeremie in 'Double Act'.

Except didn't Jeremie use the same tower for both his and William's clones in that episode? At least, that's the impression I got from seeing the tower used in both cases.

For all we know both sets of data could turn up in the same tower - Lyoko seems to function on random memory allocation - there's no data-tree that you can use to easily access files. I'm guessing Franz wrote this so as to make it harder for rougue elements to easily access the more important stuff (remember that Jeremie didn't find Carthage until over a year after he turned the computer on, and even then only found it because XANA showed it to him).

[Cassius335 offline]

For all we know both sets of data could turn up in the same tower - Lyoko seems to function on random memory allocation - there's no data-tree that you can use to easily access files. I'm guessing Franz wrote this so as to make it harder for rougue elements to easily access the more important stuff (remember that Jeremie didn't find Carthage until over a year after he turned the computer on, and even then only found it because XANA showed it to him).

Unusually nice of him, that.

But yeah, who knows what's still hidden away somewhere in the system?

Quick thought: Does Carthage Tower lead anywhere? We know the other towers connect the various bits of Lyoko to each other. Maybe Carthage Tower is connected to an unknown mysterious somewhere...

[TB3]

Unusually nice of him, that.

But yeah, who knows what's still hidden away somewhere in the system?

Quick thought: Does Carthage Tower lead anywhere? We know the other towers connect the various bits of Lyoko to each other. Maybe Carthage Tower is connected to an unknown mysterious somewhere...

Hmm - as far as we know, the Carthage Tower was 'possibly' Franz's prison - anything else is a blank. My personal theory though is that tower is the hub of Lyoko's Data-Processing system - just as the sector towers connect to the way-towers, I think the way-towers connect to the Carthage Tower.

As for what's hidden in the system, who's to say...the supercomputer has a vast amount of disk space (probably solid-state-memory) and RAM - it has to just to perform what we percieve as it's basic functions (maintaining Lyoko and the subjects scanned into it) - those are perhaps the biggest chunks of data it handles, and yet there's presumably more data squirrelled away inside the memory systems - some clue, some file, some data that could spin the kid's world on it's head - and what's aggravating is that all those files could be accessed in a second, if you knew the right command to type in...

[Cassius335 offline]

My personal theory though is that tower is the hub of Lyoko's Data-Processing system - just as the sector towers connect to the way-towers, I think the way-towers connect to the Carthage Tower.

Though it doesn't appear possible for the kids to use the Way Towers to Travel to Cartharge Tower...

[TB3]

My personal theory though is that tower is the hub of Lyoko's Data-Processing system - just as the sector towers connect to the way-towers, I think the way-towers connect to the Carthage Tower.

Though it doesn't appear possible for the kids to use the Way Towers to Travel to Cartharge Tower...

I think we suggested one time that they travel through that tower every time they travel from sector-to-sector - that to do that they have to travel through Carthage, but there's a block to prevent you just stepping off.

It's kinda like a train - you can get on and off at whatever station it stops at, but you're not the one at the throttle deciding where it stops. It also seems to apply to which tower you could travel to - you could get on at any tower, but only come out at the way tower.

[SilverPrince offline]

In short, Aelita's new 'flight power' may function like warp-drive in Star-Trek - they use Aelita's abilities to warp the immediate locality and move her around, and the actual pink, feathery wings are just for show - done by Jeremie for simple aesthetics - how's that?

Hooray for Warp Theory!

This most recent discussion and brought up an old question of mine... what happens if you jump off the bottom platform of a non-way tower? Perhaps you just end up at that sector's way tower, or perhaps you could just fall out of the bottom and go into the Digital Sea... But I've always wondered that because the towers are for data storage/access, perhaps you are broken down into data and sent through the wires and sent to Carthage... perhaps the infamous Tower 0?

I don't know... I just figured it could happen...

[Malkmusian offline]

How can you get destroyed while being scanned into Lyoko. I mean, do you feel pain? I think you actually have to in order to focus partially on life....and how come Aelita gets a new body in season 2 so many times, but it keeps on having the same outfit as the body before?

[Cassius335 offline]

While she did get a new body each time, they were all made from basically the same data.

[Malkmusian offline]

I think you feel pain when you get "destroyed" into Lyoko. It has to be logically possible. I'm not trying to Mike Teevee, but I'm just telling how it's supposed to be.

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I think you feel pain when you get "destroyed" into Lyoko. It has to be logically possible. I'm not trying to Mike Teevee, but I'm just telling how it's supposed to be.

(shrugs) possibly - remember though that many severe injuries in real life are so painful that the mind refuses to feel it - you know, shock. And I doubt there's anything much more severe than having your molecules stripped apart.

Or, the process may not hurt at all - it's not like your nerves are being traumatised or anything, they are simple ceasing to be - if anything you might feel a numbness from your extremeties moving rapidly up to the trunk of your body as those limbs cease to be and the mind stops recieving sensor neuron messages from them.

It's also worth pointing out that the kids may not remember the actual final stage of the virtualisation process - as far as we know the conciousness is transferred during the 'scanner' stage, and they thus they would only remember up to that point prior to the actual 'shift' to Lyoko.

[jaimehlers offline]

I'm not sure, but I seem to recall an episode in the second season where Xana took over Herb and made it so that the kids felt pain while on Lyoko (with the implication that if they took too much damage, they might die from it). I think the pain they feel is probably more like an electric shock, but it's not real pain in the sense of an injury or something like that.

[TB3]

I'm not sure, but I seem to recall an episode in the second season where Xana took over Herb and made it so that the kids felt pain while on Lyoko (with the implication that if they took too much damage, they might die from it). I think the pain they feel is probably more like an electric shock, but it's not real pain in the sense of an injury or something like that.

This one I can explain easily - on Lyoko the kids have a virtual nervous system which would cause them to feel pain.

However, Jeremie is able to tweak the settings of their virtual bodies (avatars) so that that pain response is muted somewhat (not gone entirely but toned down) - modifying other parameters of the avatars also allows them to perform the superhuman feats of endurance, balance and agility that we see them do - it's like customising your computer settings to suit the individual user in 'My Computer'.

All XANA did when he possessed Nick was set all those parameters to 'off' - remember what Ulrich said when he looked at the screen ("everythings blank") - all Jeremie had to do was bring those settings back into play and viola - the kids are all better.

[Kamekai offline]

It seems that air particles are not virtualized, yet the clothes are temporarily stored in the supercomputers. memory. does it store the air, if not, how does it know the difference?
And Ulrich, when separated from his body, can still access the scanners with only his subconscious intact. where was his body, still in the memory? If so, wouldn't Jeremie simply have needed to restore Ulrich's body instead of going through all this programming? Which brings us back to the question, where did Ulrich's body go?

just some ideas to toy with.

[Malkmusian offline]

I know that about the virtualization, but wouldn't the radiation leaking from the batteries in the supercompter kill Aelita or Jeremy if they got too close if they were not protected? I mean, how can Peter Duncan survive radiation when controlled by XANA?

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Kamekai - we believe the supercomputer has the ability to seperate out air particles from the bodies - if it can scan every particle at the subatomic particle and seperate clothing from biological data, and stuff like glasses, fillings and jewelry, then it can probably seperate out the air.

Also, Ulrich's body (while he existed as a sort of 'quantum ghost') was transferred to Lyoko where XANA took control of it.

I know that about the virtualization, but wouldn't the radiation leaking from the batteries in the supercompter kill Aelita or Jeremy if they got too close if they were not protected? I mean, how can Peter Duncan survive radiation when controlled by XANA?

We've done some research and think that the Battery doesn't use Uranium, beause if it did Jeremie would have high-level radiation-posioning from standing around the depleteted battery and when Duncan was carrying him. Btw, the depleated batteryis probably still stored in the factory, possibly wherever that radiation suit is kept, so if it was high-grade Uranium I expect all of the kids to be suffering from poisoning.

Also, Uranium would have had a high-enough RAD output to power the computer for centuries.

So, we did some research and found a substance called Lead-210. It's a radioactive isotope of lead produced as a by-effect of Uranium mining. It also only produces alpha and beta particle radiation, which could be blocked by the perspex casing of the battery. It also has a half-life of about 22 years, which would be ideal if Franz stole the battery sometime between 1974 and 1994.

When I met the CL staff in Paris I put this idea to Jerome the director, who liked it - he also mentioned that Franz got the battery in 1984, which fits in perfectly.

So, the battery is perfectly safe to be around, if it's kept in the casing. If broken however then there is a chance of radiation poisoning, which is why Jeremie was wearing the radiation suit in case something went wrong during the battery-swap (i.e. if the old shield didn't reattach right and he pulled out the exposed fuel-rod).

[Kamekai offline]

thanks. I spent all night wondering about that.

[jaimehlers offline]

Something new...what happens when William takes too much damage? Ordinarily, he would be devirtualized and sent to a scanner like the others...but that didn't happen. My own theory is that Xana basically rewrote the programming code for his avatar so that he was inextricably linked to Xana, and that if he took too much damage he went back to wherever Xana is currently hiding to be reconstituted. It's probably what happens when he dives into the digital sea, too.

[Kamekai offline]

who knows, that might actually be covered in Season 4.

[TB3]

Something new...what happens when William takes too much damage? Ordinarily, he would be devirtualized and sent to a scanner like the others...but that didn't happen. My own theory is that Xana basically rewrote the programming code for his avatar so that he was inextricably linked to Xana, and that if he took too much damage he went back to wherever Xana is currently hiding to be reconstituted. It's probably what happens when he dives into the digital sea, too.

Well we saw that in 'Skidblanir' - Aelita whacked him with a really large energy ball and he collapsed into black smoke, which tallies with what the Moonscoop staff said happens to William if devirtualised.

On other notes, I'm watching the Israeli file of episode 80, and it tallies with one of our LTT theories when we learnt the kids would be virtualised to reality complete with their powers. Jeremie in the episode describes this process as 'an energy injection' which is similar to our theories which suggested Jeremie would use the supercomputer's SAP (wormhole) generation capacity to transmit power directly to the team on Earth, sorta like a very specific 'Jermification'.

(does happy dance)

I'M SO HAPPEEEEEEEE!

[Taelia offline]

Kinda like the Power Rangers' morphing! =D

[jaimehlers offline]

Well, it'd be nice if they could snap him back to normal just by devirtualizing him, but that would be too easy.

And yes, the kids being virtualized to reality would be awesome. Though that would lead to other problems, such as them being recognizable.

[TB3]

Hmm, not quite - I watched a bit more and Jeremie adds that their bodies aren't their true bodies, but Polymorphic spectres. His dialogue inmplied that the form is shaped by their their quantum residual image - it's sorta like Ulrich's Ghost in 'Nobody in Particular', except here the ghost is housed in a polymorphic body that shapes to their mental self-image and formats the power-feed from the supercomputer according to their Lyoko-powers. For example these bodies don't have organs and so-on in the usual sense, as Aelita pixelised for a period after getting attacked - they are spectres shaped by their Lyoko programming and self-image and housing their minds and conciousness.

Also, the supercomputer Aelita and Odd went to destroy was protected by a powerful 'Energy Field' that glowed white and absorbed energy fired at it...Zero-Point-Energy (an old LTT founding principle) anyone? That 'force-field' looked exactly like I imagine the inside of the Nuclear Battery chamber to look

[Astro-Xana offline]

Now I have a question which is that I'm thinking that when Franz Hopper created Sector 5 and Lyoko, he knew that Xana would turn evil and that the supercomputer might eventually be turned back on (which it did) resulting in Xana attacking the real world through activated towers and that Aelita would have to enter an activated tower and deactivate it by entering Code: Lyoko. And that Franz Hopper also knew that Xana would become more and more powerful over time and be able to activate multiple towers. As a result, could Franz Hopper of created Sector 5 and Lyoko in a way that Sector 5 is connected to all of Lyoko so that Aelita can operate the Sector 5 interface in deactivating multiple towers on Lyoko? Though Franz Hopper has not yet revealed to Aelita how to operate the Sector 5 interface in deactivating multiple towers on Lyoko. But if Franz Hopper did tell Aelita, she would then be operating the Sector 5 inteface in a very advanced way and as a result, it will be extremely hard in doing this and Aelita will have to practically be a genius in operating the interface. Furthermore, once Xana finds out, he will do all he can to prevent Aelita from accessing the interface.

[Taelia offline]

Still, I don't care, polymorphs or not.