Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (the movie)

[Mewberries151]

Potter's foster family hates him. They don't buy him new clothes. They make him sleep in a closet. They mock him at every turn. So why in God's name did they decide to take the darn orphan in? They could of all soooooo easilly just said NO when the state came to drop him off. Even better, just put him up for adoption. They don't like him, why spend the money to feed him? Doesn't make sense. So what if the mom his Potter's late mom's sister? She freaking hates him, her parents and her sister.

In later books, it is explained that they were "strongly obliged" to take him in under Dumbledore's wish. If there's one thing the Dursley's fear, it's a very powerful wizard that could make their lives miserable with magic, or somehow let it slip that they're associated with the Magical World...and make them miserable that way. I believe that's explained in either Book 5 or 6.

Okay heres another, then the letter comes and the people jsut freak and become determined not to let Potter go to the academy. This makes no sense WHAT-SO-EVER. Here it is, the golden freaking ticket. They can be done spending money feeding this schmuck but no, they go out of their way to spend even MORE MONEY trying to run from the letters and the guy with the beard shows up to take Potter away and they still fight for seemingly no reason.

MAKE UP YOUR BLOODY MIND JK! DO THEY CARE ABOUT HIM OR NOT?!?!

Again, in the later books, it is explained that they are obliged to keep him, and since they are obliged to keep him whether they like it or not, they certainly don't want him to learn magic on top of that and make their lives miserable in one way or another.

Seriously I read halfway threw the first book and stopped just because of that...

...Well that explains why you never got your answers then. ^^; Since when is every question ever answered in the first half of a book?

well that and why in god's name would you eat a bag of every flavor jelly bean? Flippin' A! What flavors today? Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Gasoline! Human Feces! Arsenic! YOUR MOM! *shudder* Theres more negative then positive there. Why would you do something that causes you pain? bleh.

...Same reason people enter eating contests, extreme sports (or sports in general), and reality shows, I guess. ^^;

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Potter's foster family hates him. They don't buy him new clothes. They make him sleep in a closet. They mock him at every turn. So why in God's name did they decide to take the darn orphan in? They could of all soooooo easilly just said NO when the state came to drop him off. Even better, just put him up for adoption. They don't like him, why spend the money to feed him? Doesn't make sense. So what if the mom his Potter's late mom's sister? She freaking hates him, her parents and her sister.

In later books, it is explained that they were "strongly obliged" to take him in under Dumbledore's wish. If there's one thing the Dursley's fear, it's a very powerful wizard that could make their lives miserable with magic, or somehow let it slip that they're associated with the Magical World...and make them miserable that way. I believe that's explained in either Book 5 or 6.

Okay heres another, then the letter comes and the people jsut freak and become determined not to let Potter go to the academy. This makes no sense WHAT-SO-EVER. Here it is, the golden freaking ticket. They can be done spending money feeding this schmuck but no, they go out of their way to spend even MORE MONEY trying to run from the letters and the guy with the beard shows up to take Potter away and they still fight for seemingly no reason.

MAKE UP YOUR BLOODY MIND JK! DO THEY CARE ABOUT HIM OR NOT?!?!

Again, in the later books, it is explained that they are obliged to keep him, and since they are obliged to keep him whether they like it or not, they certainly don't want him to learn magic on top of that and make their lives miserable in one way or another.

Seriously I read halfway threw the first book and stopped just because of that...

...Well that explains why you never got your answers then. ^^; Since when is every question ever answered in the first half of a book?

well that and why in god's name would you eat a bag of every flavor jelly bean? Flippin' A! What flavors today? Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Gasoline! Human Feces! Arsenic! YOUR MOM! *shudder* Theres more negative then positive there. Why would you do something that causes you pain? bleh.

...Same reason people enter eating contests, extreme sports (or sports in general), and reality shows, I guess. ^^;

Later books eh? Why does that just seem like lazy writing to me? Seems to me she just wrote the book as is with no explanation and didn't bother with it until later.

more importantly... then if I may... Dumbledoor is the head principal dude right? Why in heck would it matter if they gave Harry to them or not really? As shown by the letter freaking following them everywhere they'd always know where Harry was so it's not like it really mattered. bleh.

[Mewberries151]

Later books eh? Why does that just seem like lazy writing to me? Seems to me she just wrote the book as is with no explanation and didn't bother with it until later.

It's not lazy writing, anymore than Tolkien was a lazy writer for leaving a lot of his plot twists until his later books. If you're planning on writing a series from the start (which J.K was if you watch the documentaries and read the biographies), then you like to leave certain revelations for the readers to discover later.

more importantly... then if I may... Dumbledoor is the head principal dude right? Why in heck would it matter if they gave Harry to them or not really? As shown by the letter freaking following them everywhere they'd always know where Harry was so it's not like it really mattered. bleh.

It's Dumbledore. ^^;

In addition to that, it matters because they were the only Muggle family he had. Again, if you read the books (and this is in the first on even, I believe), Dumbledore didn't want him to stay with a magical family because he'd grow up "famous" and have a huge ego because of it. It was much better if he grew up away from all that, and since the Dursleys were his only family, and leaving him at an orphanage might prove even worse than living with the Dursleys he had to stay with them.

[zex marquise offline]

I saw it, too, Makeyourself85, but it wasn't as good. I saw many things wrong with the film, with it not talking about religion. Please enter some Christianity in there, J.K. Rowling, not wizards!!

... Wow. You know what movie you would like? The Matrix. First one. It has all sorts of Christianity-themes in it, most obviously being Neo as Jesus Christ. Google it to see just how much there is in that movie.

Please enter some non-stupidity into your brain.

I'm gonna memorize that last one for later use. One should always take the time to stop and admire a really good burn, esp. when the burner uses Dr. Cox for an avatar.

I saw the movie and thought it was great, but I haven't read the book, so they may have screwed it up. Keep in mind the alterations we've come to expect from HP movies and you should enjoy it. Otherwise, you'll probably hate it as usual.

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Later books eh? Why does that just seem like lazy writing to me? Seems to me she just wrote the book as is with no explanation and didn't bother with it until later.

It's not lazy writing, anymore than Tolkien was a lazy writer for leaving a lot of his plot twists until his later books. If you're planning on writing a series from the start (which J.K was if you watch the documentaries and read the biographies), then you like to leave certain revelations for the readers to discover later.

more importantly... then if I may... Dumbledoor is the head principal dude right? Why in heck would it matter if they gave Harry to them or not really? As shown by the letter freaking following them everywhere they'd always know where Harry was so it's not like it really mattered. bleh.

It's Dumbledore. ^^;

In addition to that, it matters because they were the only Muggle family he had. Again, if you read the books (and this is in the first on even, I believe), Dumbledore didn't want him to stay with a magical family because he'd grow up "famous" and have a huge ego because of it. It was much better if he grew up away from all that, and since the Dursleys were his only family, and leaving him at an orphanage might prove even worse than living with the Dursleys he had to stay with them.

Still seems like she wrote it and figured she'd come up with an explanation later.

Heres my last thing. All his years of being alive, why didn't he ever like... ya know go to a teacher and say "They're making me living inside a closet!!!!"

[zex marquise offline]

Actually, I think he did. Dumbledore or Hagrid or one of those guys (it's been a long time since I read it) got PO'd and told the Dursleys that they had to give him a respectable room or else. That's why he lives upstairs now in a bedroom... Have you actually watched the movies?

[Mewberries151]

Later books eh? Why does that just seem like lazy writing to me? Seems to me she just wrote the book as is with no explanation and didn't bother with it until later.

It's not lazy writing, anymore than Tolkien was a lazy writer for leaving a lot of his plot twists until his later books. If you're planning on writing a series from the start (which J.K was if you watch the documentaries and read the biographies), then you like to leave certain revelations for the readers to discover later.

more importantly... then if I may... Dumbledoor is the head principal dude right? Why in heck would it matter if they gave Harry to them or not really? As shown by the letter freaking following them everywhere they'd always know where Harry was so it's not like it really mattered. bleh.

It's Dumbledore. ^^;

In addition to that, it matters because they were the only Muggle family he had. Again, if you read the books (and this is in the first on even, I believe), Dumbledore didn't want him to stay with a magical family because he'd grow up "famous" and have a huge ego because of it. It was much better if he grew up away from all that, and since the Dursleys were his only family, and leaving him at an orphanage might prove even worse than living with the Dursleys he had to stay with them.

Still seems like she wrote it and figured she'd come up with an explanation later.

Heres my last thing. All his years of being alive, why didn't he ever like... ya know go to a teacher and say "They're making me living inside a closet!!!!"

Either because he figured no one would believe him (considering the Dursleys kept sending him to "juvenile hall"-like schools) or because he succumbed to the "telling an adult when you're in trouble makes you a wuss" kind of thinking. It's not that uncommon a plot concept really. Just look at the "Unfortunate Events" series. ^^;

At any rate, Zex makes a good point as well. He gets Dudley's old room from the second book onward because Hagrid and Dumbledore gave the Dursley's a talking to.

...This is why quitting in the middle of the book before you get the answers you want is a bad idea. *sweatdrops*

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He gets Dudley's old room from the second book onward because Hagrid and Dumbledore gave the Dursley's a talking to.

...This is why quitting in the middle of the book before you get the answers you want is a bad idea. *sweatdrops*

Isn't this information a bit revealed in the first movie? I can't remember how it went, but I think when the dursleys got Harry, there was also a letter with Potter as well. I don't remember much of it. D:

[zex marquise offline]

Yeah, they got a letter. I think it basically told them that the Potters had died and they had better take care of Harry or else. It didn't specify how to treat him, so they treated him like crap. I don't remember what happened exactly, but by the second movie he is living in Dudley's old room.

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Allright, let me try and set this conversation straight.

Roughly a day after Voldemort's demise, Dumbeldore, P.McGonagall, and Hagrid show up to deliver Harry. McGonagall advises against Dumbeldore's leaving Harry with the Dursleys. Dumbeldore insists saying that they are the only family he has and that he's better off growing up away from wizards. Dumbeldore's reasoning behind this is reveald in the final chapters of the fifth book, revealing that when They took Harry in, they granted him an ultimate protection against Voldemort until his 17th birthday and coming of age in the wizarding world. Although this protection activated, it certainly didn't keep the dursleys from mistreating him in almost every way possible. When Dumbeldore appears before the Dursleys in the sixth book, he clearly frowns upon how they treated him and says that at least he didn't end up a brat like dudley.

You guys should thouroughly read the story instead of just 1-2 sentances per paragraph(not trying to bash anybody by that)

[zex marquise offline]

Thanks for clearing that up.

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Allright, let me try and set this conversation straight.

Roughly a day after Voldemort's demise, Dumbeldore, P.McGonagall, and Hagrid show up to deliver Harry. McGonagall advises against Dumbeldore's leaving Harry with the Dursleys. Dumbeldore insists saying that they are the only family he has and that he's better off growing up away from wizards. Dumbeldore's reasoning behind this is reveald in the final chapters of the fifth book, revealing that when They took Harry in, they granted him an ultimate protection against Voldemort until his 17th birthday and coming of age in the wizarding world. Although this protection activated, it certainly didn't keep the dursleys from mistreating him in almost every way possible. When Dumbeldore appears before the Dursleys in the sixth book, he clearly frowns upon how they treated him and says that at least he didn't end up a brat like dudley.

You guys should thouroughly read the story instead of just 1-2 sentances per paragraph(not trying to bash anybody by that)

I read half the first book. I'm sorry but if it's not good enough to keep my interest in that length of time it's not worth reading. And I read a lot I have you know. Catcher In The Rye, The Great Gatsby, Macbeth, Romeo + Juliet, Tietam Brown ect....

[Stonecreek]

Allright, let me try and set this conversation straight.

Roughly a day after Voldemort's demise, Dumbeldore, P.McGonagall, and Hagrid show up to deliver Harry. McGonagall advises against Dumbeldore's leaving Harry with the Dursleys. Dumbeldore insists saying that they are the only family he has and that he's better off growing up away from wizards. Dumbeldore's reasoning behind this is reveald in the final chapters of the fifth book, revealing that when They took Harry in, they granted him an ultimate protection against Voldemort until his 17th birthday and coming of age in the wizarding world. Although this protection activated, it certainly didn't keep the dursleys from mistreating him in almost every way possible. When Dumbeldore appears before the Dursleys in the sixth book, he clearly frowns upon how they treated him and says that at least he didn't end up a brat like dudley.

You guys should thouroughly read the story instead of just 1-2 sentances per paragraph(not trying to bash anybody by that)

I read half the first book. I'm sorry but if it's not good enough to keep my interest in that length of time it's not worth reading. And I read a lot I have you know. Catcher In The Rye, The Great Gatsby, Macbeth, Romeo + Juliet, Tietam Brown ect....

The first book is much more a kid's book than any of the others. by the 5th and 6th books, you canmake the argument that kids shouldn't be readint hem anymore. The point it, as I 'm sure you've gathered from other users, is give it a chance. Get through the 1st book (it's not long at all) and maybe you won't read the others. But to give soemthing only half a chance is lame.

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Allright, let me try and set this conversation straight.

Roughly a day after Voldemort's demise, Dumbeldore, P.McGonagall, and Hagrid show up to deliver Harry. McGonagall advises against Dumbeldore's leaving Harry with the Dursleys. Dumbeldore insists saying that they are the only family he has and that he's better off growing up away from wizards. Dumbeldore's reasoning behind this is reveald in the final chapters of the fifth book, revealing that when They took Harry in, they granted him an ultimate protection against Voldemort until his 17th birthday and coming of age in the wizarding world. Although this protection activated, it certainly didn't keep the dursleys from mistreating him in almost every way possible. When Dumbeldore appears before the Dursleys in the sixth book, he clearly frowns upon how they treated him and says that at least he didn't end up a brat like dudley.

You guys should thouroughly read the story instead of just 1-2 sentances per paragraph(not trying to bash anybody by that)

I read half the first book. I'm sorry but if it's not good enough to keep my interest in that length of time it's not worth reading. And I read a lot I have you know. Catcher In The Rye, The Great Gatsby, Macbeth, Romeo + Juliet, Tietam Brown ect....

The first book is much more a kid's book than any of the others. by the 5th and 6th books, you canmake the argument that kids shouldn't be readint hem anymore. The point it, as I 'm sure you've gathered from other users, is give it a chance. Get through the 1st book (it's not long at all) and maybe you won't read the others. But to give soemthing only half a chance is lame.

Technically the actual rule is to read the first sentence of the first page and see if it grabs you. Half a book is more than a chance and more than any book deserves to get.

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I read half the first book. I'm sorry but if it's not good enough to keep my interest in that length of time it's not worth reading. And I read a lot I have you know. Catcher In The Rye, The Great Gatsby, Macbeth, Romeo + Juliet, Tietam Brown ect....

Good god, man, you can read CATCHER IN THE (explitive deleted) RYE BUT NOT HARRY POTTER?!?!?

Dear merciful heavens, Catcher was a two hundred page book where one hundred ninety pages were about him whining. I don't think that there was even a plot.

But I digress. The movie was okay, but...

PROFESSER UMBRIDGE IS THE NEW NURSE RATCHED. It is now official. The look... the kittens... the clothes... the laugh...

Just scary as (Explitive deleted)

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I read half the first book. I'm sorry but if it's not good enough to keep my interest in that length of time it's not worth reading. And I read a lot I have you know. Catcher In The Rye, The Great Gatsby, Macbeth, Romeo + Juliet, Tietam Brown ect....

Good god, man, you can read CATCHER IN THE (explitive deleted) RYE BUT NOT HARRY POTTER?!?!?

Dear merciful heavens, Catcher was a two hundred page book where one hundred ninety pages were about him whining. I don't think that there was even a plot.

But I digress. The movie was okay, but...

PROFESSER UMBRIDGE IS THE NEW NURSE RATCHED. It is now official. The look... the kittens... the clothes... the laugh...

Just scary as (Explitive deleted)

Holden gets a freakin' hooker and then decides not to sleep with her and gets the crap beat out of him by her pimp!!!! Thats plot!

One That Flew Over The Coo-Coo's Nest, thats another. McMurphy would not only Kick Potter's rear end in a fight, he'd rob him blind too.

[Malkmusian offline]

Actually, MacMurphy would choke him and Chief Bromden would throw a water fountain at a window. Trust me, PepsiPiper, I've seen the movie.

[Sithking Zero offline]

I read half the first book. I'm sorry but if it's not good enough to keep my interest in that length of time it's not worth reading. And I read a lot I have you know. Catcher In The Rye, The Great Gatsby, Macbeth, Romeo + Juliet, Tietam Brown ect....

Good god, man, you can read CATCHER IN THE (explitive deleted) RYE BUT NOT HARRY POTTER?!?!?

Dear merciful heavens, Catcher was a two hundred page book where one hundred ninety pages were about him whining. I don't think that there was even a plot.

But I digress. The movie was okay, but...

PROFESSER UMBRIDGE IS THE NEW NURSE RATCHED. It is now official. The look... the kittens... the clothes... the laugh...

Just scary as (Explitive deleted)

Holden gets a freakin' hooker and then decides not to sleep with her and gets the crap beat out of him by her pimp!!!! Thats plot!

One That Flew Over The Coo-Coo's Nest, thats another. McMurphy would not only Kick Potter's rear end in a fight, he'd rob him blind too.

No, no. I agree with you on the whole, "McMurphy could Kick Potter's rear" thing. In fact, I have a list of people who could kick it repeatedly, but let's not get into that now.

I'm sorry. It's just a differance of opinion. I didn't like "Catcher," you don't like "Potter."

And I'm serious, Umbridge and Ratched could be satan's caretakers, they're evil.

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I read half the first book. I'm sorry but if it's not good enough to keep my interest in that length of time it's not worth reading. And I read a lot I have you know. Catcher In The Rye, The Great Gatsby, Macbeth, Romeo + Juliet, Tietam Brown ect....

Good god, man, you can read CATCHER IN THE (explitive deleted) RYE BUT NOT HARRY POTTER?!?!?

Dear merciful heavens, Catcher was a two hundred page book where one hundred ninety pages were about him whining. I don't think that there was even a plot.

But I digress. The movie was okay, but...

PROFESSER UMBRIDGE IS THE NEW NURSE RATCHED. It is now official. The look... the kittens... the clothes... the laugh...

Just scary as (Explitive deleted)

Holden gets a freakin' hooker and then decides not to sleep with her and gets the crap beat out of him by her pimp!!!! Thats plot!

One That Flew Over The Coo-Coo's Nest, thats another. McMurphy would not only Kick Potter's rear end in a fight, he'd rob him blind too.

No, no. I agree with you on the whole, "McMurphy could Kick Potter's rear" thing. In fact, I have a list of people who could kick it repeatedly, but let's not get into that now.

I'm sorry. It's just a differance of opinion. I didn't like "Catcher," you don't like "Potter."

And I'm serious, Umbridge and Ratched could be satan's caretakers, they're evil.

Ya know, as far as Big Nurse goes, I wish the author would of had Cheif Broom stayed at the hospital a bit longer just to see her reaction to the death of Bill Bibbit seeing as how she was indirectly responsible for her best friends own death.

[zex marquise offline]

I once had an English teacher like Umbridge. You can imagine what a nightmare that was. "I'd rather not talk about it"-worthy.
I actually have to agree with PepsiPiper on this one. The movies p--- me off because they screw the books up so much, but the books... I just can't take Rowling's writing style. It's sooooo boring. She did a wonderful job creating the characters and the intricately detailed universe they live in, but the pacing of her books is terrible. I really tried hard to force my way through Goblet of Fire after making it all the way to the end of Azkaban, but I just couldn't do it. It was like John Knowles had written it. No, I take that back. Nothing is worse that John Knowles. But it was boring. Maybe someday when I'm older I'll have the patience for it. Until then, I must settle for the movies.

[Boss Tamsy offline]

I'm not an Admin but, let's focus more on Harry Potter and less on Holden Caulfield

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I once had an English teacher like Umbridge. You can imagine what a nightmare that was. "I'd rather not talk about it"-worthy.
I actually have to agree with PepsiPiper on this one. The movies p--- me off because they screw the books up so much, but the books... I just can't take Rowling's writing style. It's sooooo boring. She did a wonderful job creating the characters and the intricately detailed universe they live in, but the pacing of her books is terrible. I really tried hard to force my way through Goblet of Fire after making it all the way to the end of Azkaban, but I just couldn't do it. It was like John Knowles had written it. No, I take that back. Nothing is worse that John Knowles. But it was boring. Maybe someday when I'm older I'll have the patience for it. Until then, I must settle for the movies.

Well, you can't exactly fit all of that boring stuff into one 2 1/2 hour movie, especially with a practically one year quota!