Christians

[JesusFreak offline]

One thing, then I'm done.

If evolution is constantly occuring, where are all our modern transitional forms?

[Tangent128 offline]

If you want to discuss that, a new thread may be in order.

[JesusFreak offline]

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Of course!

One problem, Who's gonna make it? If I, you, Potterfreak, or anybody else I can't think of right now who's a christian or my church friends make it, it will immediately be denounced as one-sided. If a secular-Humanist *coughATHEISTcough* makes it, I fear the same in reverse
Perhaps a mod should start it?

[Mewberries151]

JF, you do realize how hurtful and insensitive half the things you say about Atheists and non-Christians are, yes? This is the second time you've spoken down about them today (the other being in the Would You Rather thread at Games). It's rude, and it's becoming annoying. Please stop it.

[JesusFreak offline]

Actually, I don't. Social skills aren't my Forte. I apologize.


Wait, how is it hurtful when I simply describe a Secular-Humanism by what it truly is-Atheism? I mean no offense. If I walked around saying I was a supporter of Traditionalist Values and believed in a higher power, would that be insulting to me if someone typed *coughREPUBLICANcough*?

And what did I say to insult Atheists when I asked if one would rather die or listen to polka music for all of eternity?

Or did you refer to when I asked if you would rather live a pauper and go to Heaven or a rich man and go to Hell? I don't see a problem with that either. Unless you are worried about someone geting all offended because I was insinuating there was an afterlife?

Or did I misunderstand something?


Or should I also be offended that you didn't deny that an evolution thread by a Christian is one-sided?




I mean no disrespect with this post, but I can't see anything insulting to Atheists and non-Christians with what I said. I know several great people who aren't Christians. I'm not saying CHristians are better than everyone else, We're just forgiven


EDIT You must mean my remark about Pakistan. Look at what they do to Christians converted from Islam. I have a book of Martyrs (called the JesusFreaks. I modeled my username from the book, not the song. I heard the song much later) that practivally has a whole section on Middle-Eastern Christian Prejudice. Do you want examples?

EDIT II: Can't find the book, so rain check on that?

[Darth Grale offline]

JF, you do realize how hurtful and insensitive half the things you say about Atheists and non-Christians are, yes? This is the second time you've spoken down about them today (the other being in the Would You Rather thread at Games). It's rude, and it's becoming annoying. Please stop it.

Hurtful? Insensitive?

So, the truth is hurtful and insensitive, eh? Is it hurtful and insensitive because its not a politically correct distortion of what is going on? Yes, I know that not every Muslim wants to blow away America (and I'm pretty sure he knows too) but they aren't who he was talkig about here, I'll bring up exactly what he said:

I'd be admin of LF, bcause they kill "infidels" in Pakistan.

So you're denying that Christians are being killed in Pakistan?
I suggest you go to w ww.prisoneralert.com. (don't wanna link it)

[JesusFreak offline]

Hmm...

Ths could be described as off-topic, but I don't think it is. This is about Christians in other parts of the world, but i'm just a hurtful insensitive bubble-burster so don't mind me.

[Overcaffeinated Sloth offline]

JesusFreak. I've warned you several times about going off topic. You obviously can't listen to directions. I'm afraid I have no choice. I mean, i JUST got done telling you.

I'm locking this for the weekend. It will open again on MONDAY, NOVEMBER 5TH, sometime around 3 PM EST. If any other mods or admins could unlock this then if I can't get to it, that'll be great.

Meanwhile, I thinkyou should look over just what you've been posting these last few pages, and either tell me how it relates to Christianity, or Rethink your posts.

Sorry it came to this.

-AngelBolt

[Carth]

Well, locking time is over. JF, I advise you to look over Angel's post very, very well.

[JesusFreak offline]

I did. Twas a misunderstanding.

To clarify about my sig's stat, 98% of CHRISTIAN Teens won't stand up for God. Standing up for something isn't the same as believing in.

[Reesane offline]

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I'm just going to correct a common mistake here, but atheist=/= Secular Humanists. An atheist can be a highly religious person, they just can not believe in (a) higher power(s).
However, secular humanists, by definition, must be atheists.

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And on a side note, I believe good and evil are an entirely opinion based matter. That doesn't mean that there is no right or wrong. instead, you have to be empathetic and try to think about the other person before you act. We can spend all day debating a moral absolute, but I think (hope?) that we can all sit back for a moment to see things from another person's point of view.

[JesusFreak offline]

That's what I said. Secular Humanists are Atheists.

What is religion without a higher power though?
EDIT: Oh yeah, Bhuddists.


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That's where God (through the Bible) comes in. I have to strongly emphasize that when I say God, I say what It says in the Bible taken into the context of the theme and surrounding verses. many people have used God as a reason to fight. Take the Crusades.

[Malkmusian offline]

Well, if Jesus told every Christians not to follow the examples of the Pharisees, why is it that some Christians, like the Mennonites and the Amish follow certain rules? Why is it?

[JesusFreak offline]

I don't know much about the Mennonites, but I can tell you part of the whole "Amish" business:


Amish roots go back 500 years to the Protestant Reformation in Europe with a radical group of Swiss Protestants called the Anabaptists. The Amish are a Slpinter group founded by Jacob Amman (hence the name). Amman's followers wanted a stricter seperation between them and the world to better preserve their faith.

Basically, the Amish want to seperate themselves from the world to protect their faith. However, in the Bible it says to "be in the world, but not of it." That means (this is open to other interpretation) To live your life in the world, not in a tightly closed community. Otherwise, you migth not touch someone's life that God wants you to. That's not to say they are doing anything wrong, because the real world still occasionally visits.

[Darth Grale offline]

What about the whole "shunning" thing though?

[JesusFreak offline]

That's a good question....Uh......LOOKOVERTHEREATALKINGWAFFLE *Ducks and checks Wikipedia.*

[DeadViolet offline]

Do Mormons like black people?

[JesusFreak offline]

Well, It says in the Wiki:

In Mormonism, the racial interpretation of the curse of Cain has taken a circuitous route. Statements concerning the curse of Cain are unclear in Latter Day Saint scripture, and though the interpretation had, at one time, found general support within some Latter Day Saint denominations, all major denominations of Mormonism now officially reject it. However, the doctrine is an important element of Mormon fundamentalism, which constitutes a very small branch of the faith.

The Latter Day Saint movement was founded during the height of white Protestant acceptance of the curse of Cain doctrine in America, as well as the even more popular curse of Ham doctrine, which was even held by many abolitionists of the time. While Joseph Smith, Jr. indicated belief in the curse of Ham theory in a parenthetical reference as early as 1831 (Manuscript History 19 June 1831), the only early reference to the curse or mark of Cain was in his translation of the Bible, which included the following statement:

"And Enoch also beheld the residue of the people which were the sons of Adam; and they were a mixture of all the seed of Adam save it was the seed of Cain, for the seed of Cain were black, and had not place among them".
Nevertheless, according to other parts of Smith's translation, the descendants of Cain were destroyed in the deluge.[citation needed] This has led some to understand that the black people referred to by Smith were not the same as modern African peoples.

Despite Smith's idea that the descendants of Cain did not "mix" with the descendants of Adam, one of Smith's associates later argued that Cain's descendants did indeed survive the flood via the wife of Ham, son of Noah. On February 6, 1835, Smith's associate William Wines Phelps wrote a letter theorizing that the curse of Cain might have survived the deluge by passing through the wife of Ham, son of Noah, who according to Phelps must have been a descendant of Cain. (Messenger and Advocate 1:82) In effect, Phelps was attempting to provide a rational link between the curse of Cain and the curse of Ham. There is no clear indication that Smith agreed with Phelps on this idea; in 1842, however, he did write parenthetically in his notes the following:

"In the evening debated with John C. Bennett and others to show that the Indians have greater cause to complain of the treatment of the whites, than the negroes or sons of Cain".

[Overcaffeinated Sloth offline]

One thing that should tip you off there.
WIKI.

[JesusFreak offline]

So? It's decent enough to use from time to time. I didn't have the <s> patience</s> time to rewrite what i've read on the subject. It pretty much lines up with it.

In a nutshell: Most used to hate them entirely, but not anymore.

THe curse of Cain is a stupid argument for persecution of our African-American Brothers.

[Jeremified offline]

Just thought I'd bring this up in here, since it has very controversial views. ConservaPedia - A very controversial view

[JesusFreak offline]

Yes, Cpedia ALWAYS has a controversial view on everything but Ninjas. I can't see how stats on parasites and meth use is controversial however...

[ConcreteAngel offline]

One thing that should tip you off there.
WIKI.

funny, I checked the article and it had this thing called SOURCES. You know, the little numbers that tell you where the info was found...JF took em out because they didnt' link to anything.

[JesusFreak offline]

How do you know?!

[ConcreteAngel offline]

because i tried something like that somewhere else at some other time.