Hillary gave up (election+general politics thread as well)

[Tangent128 offline]

Then what makes sapience so special?

@Lemiar: Nah, all is going according to her <s>Xanat</s> plan. She's just using unconventional campaign tactics.
Quite simple- no matter who wins, the Inauguration will be historic- first non-WAS in a Pres. or V.P. role. Surely some Companion will find that interesting.
So, all Clinton has to do is patrol the ceremony looking for a blue British Police Box...

[. offline]

On a side note, I hate reporters. If I ruled the world, all members of the press would be shot, just because they're the worst examples of human life.

But it's not human yet, you guys. The fetus, I mean. It has no thought process or even a nervous system. There is a time when the thing starts looking and behaving like a human being. Before that, it's just a lifeless, lumpy work-in-progress. It's not okay to destroy the human-behaving one because it is human. It's perfectly fine to dispose of the aglamation of cells if it will cause more trouble than it's worth once it changes. That's why the decision has to be made quickly. After a certain time, I'm cool with illegalizing abortion. Before that, being so close-minded about it just limits women's freedoms.

Here's the thing; IT WILL BE. It won't turn into a dog, or a daisy, or a penguin, or Jack Thompson, or a toaster or a shovel, or a monkey, or a weasel....



Also, I'm sick of Obama quoting one of my chikdhood heroes; Bob the builder. Yes.

so it's like that Tom Cruise movie? Where the police go back in time an arrest you for crimes you commit in the future?

[. offline]

It does if they're not even aware about it and don't care. Unborn fetuses are NOT human.

Doesn't make it right, because that's EUGENICS. I find it hilarious how you liberals claim to love everyone and so casually defend the right to kill off "unwanted" babies


Unborn babies can have different gender, blood type, eye color, hair color, personality, bellybutton and differing facial features.


And do you consider a ship under construction part of a dock, because its anchored to it and being worked on there?

I never claim to love anyone or anything, see the above where I wish death upon the mass media. I'm just saying instead of trying to do things according to what the church in Rome says, we form our rules based on... ya know... what works best in the real world. And women, seeing as how the flippin' thing is growing inside them should be the ones to make the call as to weather they'll do the deed or not.

What I find hilarious is that you would put an aborotion doctor on the same level with that as a guy who just walked in a nursery with a gun and began poppin' kids left and right.

[RySenkari offline]

Then what makes sapience so special?

Because it makes you self-aware. It's what separates us from the apes, for example.

[Tangent128 offline]

Does it? Some of them at least appear somewhat intelligent; I'm pretty sure they have the concept of self.

[JesusFreak offline]

It does if they're not even aware about it and don't care. Unborn fetuses are NOT human.

Doesn't make it right, because that's EUGENICS. I find it hilarious how you liberals claim to love everyone and so casually defend the right to kill off "unwanted" babies


Unborn babies can have different gender, blood type, eye color, hair color, personality, bellybutton and differing facial features.


And do you consider a ship under construction part of a dock, because its anchored to it and being worked on there?

I never claim to love anyone or anything, see the above where I wish death upon the mass media. I'm just saying instead of trying to do things according to what the church in Rome says, we form our rules based on... ya know... what works best in the real world. And women, seeing as how the flippin' thing is growing inside them should be the ones to make the call as to weather they'll do the deed or not.

What I find hilarious is that you would put an aborotion doctor on the same level with that as a guy who just walked in a nursery with a gun and began poppin' kids left and right.

I don't do what the church in Rome says, I cut out the middleman. Also, see the dock and shipyard thing above.

Nope. There's difference when the baby's even more helpless inside some lady. After the thing is born, it can be adopted. Dosn't mean both aren't awful things to do...

[JesusFreak offline]

Then what makes sapience so special?

Because it makes you self-aware. It's what separates us from the apes, for example.

So you think a mentally able ape is better than a mentally reetarded old person?

[RySenkari offline]

So you think a mentally able ape is better than a mentally reetarded old person?

That old person still has life experiences, attachments, thoughts.

[JesusFreak offline]

So you think a mentally able ape is better than a mentally reetarded old person?

That old person still has life experiences, attachments, thoughts.

And the baby will have those things within like 4 seconds of birth. Heck, it already has attatchments (no pun intended) to the mother in the womb. I have a six year younger sister...

[Tangent128 offline]

That old person still has life experiences, attachments, thoughts.

Pulling the thread, why are life experiences, attachments, thoughts of any value?

[RySenkari offline]

And the baby will have those things within like 4 seconds of birth. Heck, it already has attatchments (no pun intended) to the mother in the womb. I have a six year younger sister...

I'm not talking about aborting a baby after it's born. I'm talking about a twelve-week-old fetus.

Pulling the thread, why are life experiences, attachments, thoughts of any value?

Because they give us connections to another person. A fetus CANNOT form those.

Honestly, I think the real reason Christians are against abortion is because they're just against recreational sex in general. They're haunted by the thought that someone, somewhere, might be having fun.

[JesusFreak offline]

And the baby will have those things within like 4 seconds of birth. Heck, it already has attatchments (no pun intended) to the mother in the womb. I have a six year younger sister...

I'm not talking about aborting a baby after it's born. I'm talking about a twelve-week-old fetus.

I am too.

Pulling the thread, why are life experiences, attachments, thoughts of any value?

Because they give us connections to another person. A fetus CANNOT form those.

Honestly, I think the real reason Christians are against abortion is because they're just against recreational sex in general. They're haunted by the thought that someone, somewhere, might be having fun.

...that's Puritanism, fool, not anything else.

Have you actually even READ the New Testament outside the four gospels? Paul says to fool around with your wife on a regular basis, because sexual repression leads to temptation.

[Tangent128 offline]

If you're going to mudsling, at least say something less cliche...

In fact, sex was intended by God to be fun. We're just asked to limit it to marriage.
And other forms of entertainment are even less limited; we're not supposed to let them become distractions, but that doesn't mean we should get into holier-than-thou self-miserablizing.
(Technically, even alcohol isn't prohibited, though getting drunk is.)


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So, how do connections to people give something value?

[. offline]

It does if they're not even aware about it and don't care. Unborn fetuses are NOT human.

Doesn't make it right, because that's EUGENICS. I find it hilarious how you liberals claim to love everyone and so casually defend the right to kill off "unwanted" babies


Unborn babies can have different gender, blood type, eye color, hair color, personality, bellybutton and differing facial features.


And do you consider a ship under construction part of a dock, because its anchored to it and being worked on there?

I never claim to love anyone or anything, see the above where I wish death upon the mass media. I'm just saying instead of trying to do things according to what the church in Rome says, we form our rules based on... ya know... what works best in the real world. And women, seeing as how the flippin' thing is growing inside them should be the ones to make the call as to weather they'll do the deed or not.

What I find hilarious is that you would put an aborotion doctor on the same level with that as a guy who just walked in a nursery with a gun and began poppin' kids left and right.

I don't do what the church in Rome says, I cut out the middleman. Also, see the dock and shipyard thing above.

Nope. There's difference when the baby's even more helpless inside some lady. After the thing is born, it can be adopted. Dosn't mean both aren't awful things to do...

mmm makes yourself protestant rather than catholic. I don't consider it part of the dock, but if it ain't sea-worthy yet then it ain't a ship.

I'm not saying like, abortion at the time the thing looks remotely human. But when it's just a hunk of flesh with no developed brain what so ever, thats the only proper time to abort. Thats why I'm comfortable with the abortion law as is, you are bassically allowed to up until that point and beyond that no law abiding doctor is going to do it.

[RySenkari offline]

So, how do connections to people give something value?

Because of emotions. A fetus cannot form emotions (no, those idiotic poems from the point of view of an aborted fetus don't count).

[Tangent128 offline]

So, why do emotions have value?

[RySenkari offline]

That would require a HUGE explanation that I don't have time to write right now.

[TheAppleFreak]

'Cuz others have emotions, and it becomes a whole complex intertwined web of emotions and connections.

[JesusFreak offline]

It does if they're not even aware about it and don't care. Unborn fetuses are NOT human.

Doesn't make it right, because that's EUGENICS. I find it hilarious how you liberals claim to love everyone and so casually defend the right to kill off "unwanted" babies


Unborn babies can have different gender, blood type, eye color, hair color, personality, bellybutton and differing facial features.


And do you consider a ship under construction part of a dock, because its anchored to it and being worked on there?

I never claim to love anyone or anything, see the above where I wish death upon the mass media. I'm just saying instead of trying to do things according to what the church in Rome says, we form our rules based on... ya know... what works best in the real world. And women, seeing as how the flippin' thing is growing inside them should be the ones to make the call as to weather they'll do the deed or not.

What I find hilarious is that you would put an aborotion doctor on the same level with that as a guy who just walked in a nursery with a gun and began poppin' kids left and right.

I don't do what the church in Rome says, I cut out the middleman. Also, see the dock and shipyard thing above.

Nope. There's difference when the baby's even more helpless inside some lady. After the thing is born, it can be adopted. Dosn't mean both aren't awful things to do...

mmm makes yourself protestant rather than catholic. I don't consider it part of the dock, but if it ain't sea-worthy yet then it ain't a ship.

I'm not saying like, abortion at the time the thing looks remotely human. But when it's just a hunk of flesh with no developed brain what so ever, thats the only proper time to abort. Thats why I'm comfortable with the abortion law as is, you are bassically allowed to up until that point and beyond that no law abiding doctor is going to do it.

Yes, but the ship, given some time, will be finished.

"A hunk of flesh with no developed brain" has a nervous system that can feel pain.


And I believe that every time I enter a political discussion, I have to remind people I am PROTESTANT. yes.

[TheAppleFreak]

It does if they're not even aware about it and don't care. Unborn fetuses are NOT human.

Doesn't make it right, because that's EUGENICS. I find it hilarious how you liberals claim to love everyone and so casually defend the right to kill off "unwanted" babies


Unborn babies can have different gender, blood type, eye color, hair color, personality, bellybutton and differing facial features.


And do you consider a ship under construction part of a dock, because its anchored to it and being worked on there?

I never claim to love anyone or anything, see the above where I wish death upon the mass media. I'm just saying instead of trying to do things according to what the church in Rome says, we form our rules based on... ya know... what works best in the real world. And women, seeing as how the flippin' thing is growing inside them should be the ones to make the call as to weather they'll do the deed or not.

What I find hilarious is that you would put an aborotion doctor on the same level with that as a guy who just walked in a nursery with a gun and began poppin' kids left and right.

I don't do what the church in Rome says, I cut out the middleman. Also, see the dock and shipyard thing above.

Nope. There's difference when the baby's even more helpless inside some lady. After the thing is born, it can be adopted. Dosn't mean both aren't awful things to do...

mmm makes yourself protestant rather than catholic. I don't consider it part of the dock, but if it ain't sea-worthy yet then it ain't a ship.

I'm not saying like, abortion at the time the thing looks remotely human. But when it's just a hunk of flesh with no developed brain what so ever, thats the only proper time to abort. Thats why I'm comfortable with the abortion law as is, you are bassically allowed to up until that point and beyond that no law abiding doctor is going to do it.

Yes, but the ship, given some time, will be finished.

"A hunk of flesh with no developed brain" has a nervous system that can feel pain.


And I believe that every time I enter a political discussion, I have to remind people I am PROTESTANT. yes.

How about this:
You can abort ONLY, and I mean ONLY, before the fetus begins to develop nerve cells. That way, it won't have a nervous system to feel pain with.
And I am Christian.

As a wise young woman once said, "Wewt."

[Tangent128 offline]

'Cuz others have emotions, and it becomes a whole complex intertwined web of emotions and connections.

But how does that give anything value?


And pain is not a useful standard; otherwise, it'd be perfectly okay to kill somebody if you make sure to drug them first.

[knifey offline]

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And pain is not a useful standard; otherwise, it'd be perfectly okay to kill somebody if you make sure to drug them first.

Ahaha.

The Incas believed that; if they offered up a human sacrifice, they all thought it was an honor and time of enjoyment because not only would they be offered to the "gods," but they would also get drunk and drugged, before being offered at the alter.

Still doesn't change the fact killing is wrong.

Also, I lol at the title.

[JesusFreak offline]

'Cuz others have emotions, and it becomes a whole complex intertwined web of emotions and connections.

But how does that give anything value?


And pain is not a useful standard; otherwise, it'd be perfectly okay to kill somebody if you make sure to drug them first.

Yeah, you're right.


In other news, where Joe Biden? I don't see him anywhere on the news giving interwiews anymore..if ever.

[Taelia offline]

This video may change your views about Obama, especially you, RySenkari.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0zwvyPDQgw

[JesusFreak offline]

This video may change your views about Obama, especially you, RySenkari.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0zwvyPDQgw

Wow, this guy has the worst choice in supporters to embrace since...well...Warren Harding.