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[YDV offline]

I guess that makes sense... another theory is that since the tower was white (symbolizing purity) it wasn't doing anything to harm anyone, so it wasn't detected. Jeremie's superscan is to search for hostile towers. His was to power up Odd so he could -fight-, and XANA's are to hurt people. Franz's was only to contact Jeremie. Or... perhaps it only searches for color towers? ^-^;

And I think Aelita has natural pink hair because her mother did. Check the pic in the end credits-- it looks like it might've been.

[lyokodude offline]

It looks to me Contact was a cool lol
White=Hopper
Red=XANA
Green= Jeremie
Blue=nuetral
Let the fight begin

[DL offline]

The intelegence increase would be done the same way that XANA boosts his power...after each RTTP XANA gains a bit more power, most likely due to an increased processing speed, so that would mean that Jeremy would gain intelegence the same way. He would just increase the rate at which his mind works making him seem smarter but really he would just think faster.

[DL offline]

Yea that is exactly what I was saying. Basically the neurons in his brain would be accelerated with each RTTP allowing him to think faster and faster.

[MY85 offline]

Yea that is exactly what I was saying. Basically the neurons in his brain would be accelerated with each RTTP allowing him to think faster and faster.

Random thought, but why do I get the idea that he aged by molecular acceleration and he hides in Lyoko just not to age anymore? Btw, people can't age (grow and get older) at Lyoko, right?

[MY85 offline]

Random thought, but why do I get the idea that he aged by molecular acceleration and he hides in Lyoko just not to age anymore? Btw, people can't age (grow and get older) at Lyoko, right?

I assume you mean Franz right?

Sir, yes sir!! (Odd and Ulrich said that before at Season 1, right?)

[animenologist offline]

Yeah, throw us a few questions. This thread has dried up quite a bit since we have explained, theorized, and rationalized almost every major thing about Lyoko, RTTP, virtualization, materialization, pixelisation, the machinary and OS, and even a lot of the weird anomolies, like Frontier, Ghost Channel, Tip-Top Shape, and A Fine Mess. And since the 2 most important episodes of this season are being delayed for who knows how long, we're stuck on new material and evidence.

Hmm...what about Hopper'sposession of Sissi - why couldn't he have just had her say 'I'm Franz Hopper' directly.

And do you think there's a way for people who have been posessed to remember what they did under the external influence.

I have two guesses. One is that Franz had fairly weak control on Sissi, so while he was communicating through Sissi, his message got scrambled. Its obvious that he couldn't readily get into contact with the gang, since he wasn't able to for over a year, and all it took was one blast from a megatank to sever the connection.

My second guess is because he wanted to make sure only Jeremie would be able to understand him. In the auditorium, having Sissi say strange understandable things would have drawn some suspicion. Especially if he said something like "I am Franz Hopper." Having Sissi saying the name of a former teacher who disappeared under mysterious causes would cause a stir for some of the faculty and may prompt some investigation. He also could have been monitored by Xana and he didn't want Xana to have a clear idea of what has been told. And having a written record of what he wanted to say is much better than a spoken record. You have something to fall back on, in case you forgot anything.

For the 2nd question, I suppose its possible. There isn't anything thats necessarily mind altering about the spectres, since Odd was able to recall his experiences when Jeremie activated his tower. Xana just probably put mind blocks on his possessed victims to keep them from remembering their experiences. So under his possession, they would probably experience a black out or whatever you feel while sleep walking. If you can answer if you can recall something during those cases, you probably could answer your question.

[DL offline]

Ok after reading TB3's post and thinking about who was possesed I have an idea.

There are different types of possesion.

There is one where the possesed person has no personalilty. This is when the possesed person is strongest. Aka: Jeremie, The principal, the nurse, and Yolanda.

Then there is the type where the possesed individual has a personalility but is not as powerful as the non-personalilty version.(the gang had a harder time fighting the non-personality versions and could hit the personalility versions).

[YDV offline]

You know, I've never thought about it that way before. I guess it kind of makes sense... XANA supes their bodies up via pixelization, and then reconfigures their psyche to make them more succeptable to listen to his "suggestions".. I wonder if being possessed is like having voices in your head, or someone whispering in your ear?

Of course, they don't remember any of it because once XANA's tower is deactivated, their link to him is severed. I assume that the massive loss of extra energy provided by pixelization is what causes the black out, and perhaps the short-term amnesia is a side-effect.

As to why the.. FranzSissi?... had to speak in code.. it's probably because of what you said, animenologist. Hmm, that's actually an interesting idea there. I wonder why the teachers don't ever talk about him. Perhaps they got a mind-wipe as a result of XANA's first attack?

EDIT: I guess I could add your idea to the theory... yeah. It would make more sense-- the completely Non-Sentient possessees are stronger because they're directly under XANA's control. The Sentient ones are weaker because XANA probably gave them a "list of tasks" to do and let their powers and altered psyche do the rest. He'd probably use that method if he was busy with other things (like dealing with the gang on Lyoko. However, I think the Nurse was Non-Sentient during Contact, and wouldn't XANA need to concentrate most of his efforts on destroying Franz's activated tower?)

[YDV offline]

I believe I stated somewhere before that the Specter Approch's vapor cloud is actually electrical discharge caused by the acceleration of digital impulses, but it was somehow "programmed" using tiny sparks going off inside of them. But materialization makes more sense, although they are still electromagnetic-based. Therefore they can access electronics, as well as humans through the brain's semi-electrical nervous system. From there, they probably either alter the person's molecular structure or, temporarily, their DNA sequence.

They're probably connected to the supercomputer rather than seperate entities, that's why their processes terminate when the Towers are deactivated.

[animenologist offline]

Actually, he had 4 megatanks. 2 to begin with, then after destroying 1, 2 extra joined in.

I'm thinking that when they are pixelized, that the possessed still have a sense of themselves. Take a look at Plagued and Swarming Attack. Despite being controlled by Xana, the rats and the wasps still maintained their weaknesses and fears. Thats why the rats were scattered by light and the wasps susceptible to high pitched sound waves. I'm guessing that even possessed, the humans still think as separate entities, like how cliched mind control in other science fictions works (they usually say stuff like "I obey" or "yes, master" or some such sort). This basically goes back to the whole, under influence and gives them commands sorta thought. They are controlled by Xana, but they don't become Xana, if that makes sense.

As for how the super natural powers manifest, thinking back to my original theory. Once possessed, and linked to Xana, I'm thinking the spectres can control how the body works even at an atomic level. Probably after linking, he is able to pump them full of energy is an exact opposite effect of how he drained energy from Odd in Tip-Top Shape. This energy can be used is either used in 2 fashions. Either it can be like my original theory, in that he uses the energy he pumps into the possessed person, to take in energy and matter from the surrounding area, and uses it as his power, again like how alchemy works in FMA. Second idea is that he can use the energy directly. After pumping the energy, he can form the energy in a matter of his choosing, like the energy bolts in Tip-Top Shape, or the electric hands throughout season 2. He can also manipulate the energy he used to convert it to matter, like what he did with the teddy bear in Teddygozilla or creating duplicates of his possessed person, like Jhim in Final Mix. Just a thought. Feel free to add, subtract, or tear it to little pieces.

[comex offline]

Ignoring whatever technology might be necessary to make it happen, my pet theory is that the "physical electrical impulse thingy" actually moves the molecules and overrides the actual muscle movement- i.e. rather than actually moving your limbs, your brain sends a message to the supercomputer which sends out some force fields to move you appropriately. Which explains the superpowers and the "ghost images" (if they're tiny force fields and it takes time to move it all). Once the tower is deactivated, the force fields and override both naturally disappear, and the body can move as normal.

As for the energy blasts, I think that it draws matter from the environment with the same fields and with friction or something makes those energy balls.

ANd as for how he was *draining energy* out of Odd? Don't ask me. Possibly by giving Odd's program a lower priority in the supercomputer so computing Yolanda's fields got high precedence.


Again, just my pet theory, but it does make some sense

[animenologist offline]

Seems kinda like a differently worded version of my theory. Energy (or forcefields) is sent from the supercomputer over towards the pixelised entity giving it power, except you place movement completely in the control of supercomputer, while I place it as mind control with energy augmentation, atleast in the case of humans.

I think if I altered you're theory a bit, I can fit it in with mine. Xana could use impulses, when he's feeding energy to an item, to move them if its something inanimate, like the train, the teddy bear, the bus, though he keeps his controls fairly simplistic for the most part. For objects like that, he is directly in control. In cases of living beings, the evidence points to mind control than direct overshadowing, since most of the possessed still view themselves as separate entities. As such, they act in accordance what for the most part natural to them, except with super powers. They still feel some fear and pain. And they move in a natural fashion. They don't act like contortionists, they don't turn their heads around like ghosts, they for the most part move in humanly possible manners. This points again to them moving of their own will, not being moved by another force.

Also I feel my theory is more encompassing, since it includes a rational way to view to explain Odd in Tip-Top Shape. Also if forcefields were used to forcefully move the person, there wouldn't really be a need to overtake the person and control him through his mind. Xana could just engulf the victim of his choice in a spectre, and force him to move, no need for mind control. But its obvious he requires mind control, since he didn't just force Odd or Ulrich to do his bidding, but instead failed to control them.

Of course, possessions have almost become completely obsolete, what with the creation of the polymorphic clone. I'm thinking the polymorphic clone is basically a spectre that had energy pumped into it and converted into matter for usage, to make it solid. Though probably easier to use possessions because of a few reasons. Less energy since theres already matter to control, while in the case of the polymorph, the matter is sustained by the energy. Once a link has been broken, the matter is not sustained and turns back into a normal spectre before drifting apart, which explains Franz Hopper, Is Anybody Out There?, and Xana's Kiss, where the solid polymorph suddenly becomes gaseous. This leads to evidence that energy is needed to maintain the polymorphs form.

Also, since the possessed are under mind control but still entities unto themselves, Xana doesn't need to do any acting, because the humans will do it for them. Its partial reason why Aelita didn't suspect Jeremie of possession in Mr. Puck or Jeremie of Aelita in St. Valentines Day, while in Xana's Kiss, the plot was figured out fairly quickly by Jeremie. Though that last comment is lacking in conclusive evidence. I only have a few examples where Xana used an attack to trick the gang with people they know, and in Mr. Puck, the attack was revealed very shortly after the trick, so its unsure how far Xana could have gone with Jeremie with his trickery.

Well, that was bit of typing done.

[comex offline]

As for the "why not push them along" thing, the only answer I can think of is that the supercomputer already has some experimental program to do that that Franz Hopper made and XANA can take control of. Since it was made externally it would, again, run at a higher priority; and then XANA himself only has to brainwash the subjects, making the whole thing easier.

Not that that doesn't make impossible my theory about Odd's draining, but the reason that I don't agree with yours is that:

What do you mean by "energy augmentation"? The body cannot be built to go to such extremes and what about the fact that they can get hit by these huge energies without flinching? How can "energy augmentation" toughen the skin... without toughening it?

But I haven't seen your full theory (in a rush) so I may be off-point.

[animenologist offline]

I believe I have stated that the energy can be used to alter the host at any level, including atomic. And its possible for energy to alter them so that they can gain super natural powers, I can even drum up some examples, though they're most from superhero resources if you don't mind taking them seriously. In MTV's Spiderman, Electro was turned into pure energy from a massive surge of electricity. In the Fantastic 4, they were turned superheroes from radioactive energy. 3 of which has the ability to revert to their normal states if necessary. Though I think my most relevent analogy would probably be Superman, especially from S:TAS. Superman gains his power from the energy of yellow radiation. With it, he can fly, he's bullet proof, gains super strength, and all his other powers. But in the absence of it, his body reverts to a state thats almost as weak as any normal earthling. Same with the spectres. The energy they use alters its host at a microscopic, possibly atomic and subatomic, level that once they're in the prescence of it, gain superhuman abilities, but are reverted to their normal state in its absence.

Really, our theories aren't all that different. The only major difference I see is that he says that the supercomputer uses force fields as way of movement and control as well as his powers. I say that the person being controlled is the one who wills his movement, though for the most part under Xana's influence and has a direct power link with the super computer. Other than that, most of the concepts are very similar.