Let's talk tech (Now with Glossary)!

[DL offline]

As for writing? I know I'm not exactly the most helpful contributor to this thread, but I vote that one person do it. Unless it's a long piece, joint writing tends to degrade the writing style.

I have to agree with that. One person should write it. It will sound more professional and just plain better. And that way when a topic is explained many things carry over and if one person writes it there will not be 57 expliantions of ZPE (for example).

[comex offline]

So, anyway, while one person should probably do the initial writing of the entire thing, for editing it would make sense to put it in a wiki. My CLWiki is completely dead but could suit the purpose.

(I'll hold off on my pixelization doubts until it's written, since I have not read through all 14 pages.)

[comex offline]

Some points on your glossary.
> 0.0%
Implying that it might be 0.0001%. You might want to change it to "no".

> (think the Incredibles and Syndrome's ZPE glove).
I'm sure you've read this, but:

Director Brad Bird, speaking in a DVD commentary, says that in searching for a name for the device (or at least a better one than "the Immobi-ray"), he came across and used a reference to "zero-point energy", which Syndrome himself uses to describe his weapon. (Of course, this is simply a cool name rather than a practical application at this time!)

[YDV offline]

..I know it probably sounds weak, but we ARE pretty much out of stuff to theorize on right now, so...

Ever wonder how Jeremie virtualized Aelita's outfit? I mean, did he create a program for it or was it just her Lyoko avatar reconverted into regular non-bio-info? (Because generally speaking if he didn't think of that she would've came out naked...) Perhaps it was what she wore when she was first virtualized.

[comex offline]

You know what's interesting?

Either Jeremie found Aelita's material form in some databank, which he probably would have mentioned...

OR, he actually designed Aelita's body. (Well, if I were Jeremie, I'd make a computer program to do it for me, just so that I wouldn't feel weirded out. And maybe he did that, But Still)

I mean, her Lyoko form is completely different from her Earth form.

[YDV offline]

What I think happened is that the materialization program was something to figure out a way to convert vDNA into DNA without an original source. Like, best match or something like that. Because it would take YEARS to actually -code out- her DNA...

Anyway, anyone want to post their thoughts on my pathetic little question? ^^;

[comex offline]

But the kids can't be reconstructed from DNA every time they are materialized. That would mean that wounds just magically go away, etc., and while there haven't been any examples, it's another one of those "would-have-been-mentioned-I-think" things.

Oh, and then whatever clothing the kids were wearing would disappear in materialization, if there was no way to actually materialize large objects.

So really, building Aelita- even if it was somehow converted from the vDNA- can't have been much different from building the clothes.

[animenologist offline]

I always leaned towards the, made the program to create her clothes aswell as her body, since it would of looked really weird to have her appear naked like that. He probably did what Xana did with Yumi-clone and his Kankrelots. Probably designed its digital form like how Xana did it, than transferred into a tangible object. Would fit well with TB3's belief that you can design something on Lyoko, within certain reason, than have it built and materialized in the scanners. This only goes for her season 1 outfit. I'm of the belief that they bought her outfit in season 2, with most of the suggestions coming from Odd. Really, the outfit definately looks like something Odd would come up with.

[Chad Rains offline]

actually, on that note, I should point out that its been noted in previous episodes that the episodes are generally spaced apart by about a week or so their time. case being that I remember them saying something about XANA's attacks only happening like once a week or so and it seems that every episode has a XANA attack of some sort.

not disproving the virt/devirt ankle healing theory at all, just adding another slight possibility.

[animenologist offline]

Actually as time goes by, Xana has started launching attacks within close proximity of each other, as Temptation shows. In one episode, he launched an attack 3 times in one day, if we are to assume that they only RTTP back at most 24 hours. Though thats not always a safe assumption, as in False Start, they went back about 3 days. But even so, the last 2 attacks of that episode took place on the same day.

[YDV offline]

Hmm. I guess that's smart and it makes sense.. but... it kinda throws all those O x A fans a curve (possible incest? lol)

I always thought it was mostly her already on-file vDNA code and the rest was picked for the "best match" in a sort of RNG type deal. But your idea's equally plausible.

[animenologist offline]

Wouldn't that also include Jeremie, since Jeremie is included in TB3's list of genetic backup material? Than again, does it really matter if they certain genetic similarities, if this theory is accurate?

[Chad Rains offline]

I still say its a case of that she was already human at some point (whether she was digital first and foremost but earlier materialized or she was human first and foremost is a totally different ballgame altogether) so her DNA was somewhere on the super computer already.

Remember this: Jeremie didnt even have a materialization program made for Team Lyoko early on. They either lost all their lifepoints and got devirtualized or were put back on Earth via RTTP. The materialization program he had made for Aelita was probably used as a very close base for the materialization program for Team Lyoko.

[animenologist offline]

How much of her appearance did change from season 1 to season 2. Other than a change in eyebrow color from a dark reddish color to pink, the only other noticeable change was her clothes, which can easily be attributed to them buying her a new outfit.

And yeah, I doubt they used Aelita's real body, if she had one, due to being human, if she was human. They had no inclination that the her being human in Season 1, and even still in Season 2, Jeremie has strong doubts about it, as shown in Tip-Top Shape, and he was the guy who created the materialization program.

Also the normal materialization program for the defenders is not likely to be created by Jeremie. In Frontier, Ulrich was able to be materialized to the real world, without a RTTP and we're assuming he didn't suicide out. Secondly, in A Fine Mess, it was realized that the normal devirtualization program was bugged, but was unable to be fixed through normal console controls or the tower. It was realized that the devirtualization program is ran by inhibitors that can be released in Carthage. If Jeremie created the normal materialization program, its doubtful that he would have it be run through something thats normally accessed at the heart of Xana.

[comex offline]

I think what was implied is that XANA made the inhibitors and only through accessing XANA's memory can Jeremie find out exactly what they are. Once he knows that, it takes seconds to delete them. (like a rootkit. not that I've had any experience with deleting rootkits, which could be hard if it messes with the kernel, but one that simply overwrote the "ls" program could be fixed with a make install...)

Which would mean the change of appearance must have been caused by an alteration of her vDNA (again possibly for the antivirus) which did not have visible consequences on her Lyoko Avatar, but which thus altered her 'ideal' DNA sequence projection and thus her appearance.

So, why didn't she hit her head on a tower in New Order? Maybe the bugs in the experimental antivirus prevented that from happening... or maybe Jeremie never was able to give signatures tower access (if he could, why not give Yumi/Odd/Ulrich (YOU ) tower access?) and your theory is incorrect.

[Activated Tower offline]

How much of her appearance did change from season 1 to season 2. Other than a change in eyebrow color from a dark reddish color to pink, the only other noticeable change was her clothes, which can easily be attributed to them buying her a new outfit.

Her eyes were also green, like in Lyoko, but I don't think they were the same shade of green. I'd say it's just something we're not ment to worry about, unless TB3's suggestion of her vDNA being altered is correct, as I don't see much of a reason for it to have changed otherwise.

[animenologist offline]

I think what was implied is that XANA made the inhibitors and only through accessing XANA's memory can Jeremie find out exactly what they are. Once he knows that, it takes seconds to delete them. (like a rootkit. not that I've had any experience with deleting rootkits, which could be hard if it messes with the kernel, but one that simply overwrote the "ls" program could be fixed with a make install...)

The words they used were "The program's being run by inhibitors" "We have to deactivate them." If it was something of a root kit, they could of tried detecting it from their end and deleting it from there. Also interesting to note that in order to fix the materialization program, he had to do it from a tower, again cementing the materialization program being in the supercomputer.

Though heres an interesting anomoly, the tower that Jeremie used to try and reboot the materialization program was activated, as shown since it was colored red. After Aelita informs Jeremie of the inhibitors, the tower was colored blue, as if Aelita was deactivating it. The inhibitors couldn't have been powered through the tower, since if that were the case, the inhibitors would deactivate with the tower. The switch also couldn't have been a Xana attack, since Jeremie stated it was a bug in the program. So what was with the red tower? For what reason and why would Xana, need to activate it?

My immediate thought would be that maybe he needed the tower to activate the inhibitors which are controlled in Carthage. After the inhibitors were activated, he no longer needed the tower to sustain it since Carthage took over. I just thought it was a strange inconsistency.

As for our 15th page, as I promised

VIRTUAL CAKE

[comex offline]

YES! That makes perfect sense!