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by MY85 » Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:01 pm
Do you have any information about that battery used for the supercomputer and its duration ? Does it last 20 or 30 years? It was replaced by 2005, during <i>Common Interest</i> to save the supercomputer, Aelita and Franz Hopper.
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by Chad Rains » Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:28 pm
well, considering past events (namely FH's 06/04/94 trip), I would say its got a 10-15 year life span.
by TB3 » Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:46 pm
Lead 210 - the material which we're pretty certain composes the fuel-rod, has a half-life of 22.3 years - current theory is that the battery is good for 25-30 years, possibly less.
We know the battery powered the computer for Franz' period (but remember RTTPing would not affect the battery so we can't count Franz's 7years 'Out of Time') - and then lasted through 10-12 years of idle use and one to two years of high use (the terms idle and high however are moot as the radiation emissions would have been constant for the whole period). It was then replaced in 2006 (the year is verified by Saint Valentine's Day).
The odds are that the battery was something Franz stole from Project Carthage when he left, possibly he'd been using it in his research with the project. Therefore the battery would have been made bwtween 1974 and 1994, giving it a variable life between creation to depletion of 32-12 years.
Hope this doesn't sound too didactic and thanks for asking the question Rodri.
EDIT: Yes I know I said I wouldn't be around for an hour or two but events changed.
We know the battery powered the computer for Franz' period (but remember RTTPing would not affect the battery so we can't count Franz's 7years 'Out of Time') - and then lasted through 10-12 years of idle use and one to two years of high use (the terms idle and high however are moot as the radiation emissions would have been constant for the whole period). It was then replaced in 2006 (the year is verified by Saint Valentine's Day).
The odds are that the battery was something Franz stole from Project Carthage when he left, possibly he'd been using it in his research with the project. Therefore the battery would have been made bwtween 1974 and 1994, giving it a variable life between creation to depletion of 32-12 years.
Hope this doesn't sound too didactic and thanks for asking the question Rodri.
EDIT: Yes I know I said I wouldn't be around for an hour or two but events changed.
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by YDV » Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:13 pm
Oh, I see your viewpoint now. Yeah, I like it. It kinda amalgamates specter creeation and SAP generation, which I think I thought were two seperate things before ^-^;
Yeah, the Lead 210 half-life pretty much covers the time until the nuclear battery began to die.
Yeah, the Lead 210 half-life pretty much covers the time until the nuclear battery began to die.
BEHHHH
by YDV » Tue Jan 24, 2006 7:41 pm
Please don't say "Romeo and Juliet" again... *rubs temples*
But soft, what light through yonder window breaks? It is the East, and Juliet is the sun. Something about killing moons.
Oh, Romeo, Romeo, wherefore art thou, Romeo? Would a rose by any other name smell as sweet?
(We just read it in English class... oi. I do not want to hear "Mercutio" or "thou" or "art" or "Apothecary" for a LONGGGG time.
)
But soft, what light through yonder window breaks? It is the East, and Juliet is the sun. Something about killing moons.
Oh, Romeo, Romeo, wherefore art thou, Romeo? Would a rose by any other name smell as sweet?
(We just read it in English class... oi. I do not want to hear "Mercutio" or "thou" or "art" or "Apothecary" for a LONGGGG time.
)BEHHHH
by TB3 » Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:31 pm
Your De-Virtualization wrote:Please don't say "Romeo and Juliet" again... *rubs temples*
But soft, what light through yonder window breaks? It is the East, and Juliet is the sun. Something about killing moons.
Oh, Romeo, Romeo, wherefore art thou, Romeo? Would a rose by any other name smell as sweet?
(We just read it in English class... oi. I do not want to hear "Mercutio" or "thou" or "art" or "Apothecary" for a LONGGGG time.
Heh - I only have to dissect a minute and a half from the start of the film, but that's hard enough;
"Two households, alike in dignity."
I hope to finish this essay tommorrow, and then I'll get my head down on writing up the last hardware sections, and then we can move through into the part I know YDV and Animenologist have been waiting for;
And Taelia - those aspects are guesswork right now and we're trying to work in facts - which was why I was so uncomfortable with the Africanus System bit.
As the poet Byron said;
"I despise things all fiction - everything must have some basis in fact."
Right, I hope to be back soon.
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by TB3 » Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:02 pm
comex wrote:Hooray, there's something written at the wiki page...easier than reading the 15 or so pages that I missed!
Didn't it say that the power doubles -every- RTTP?
No - I don't think so - Jeremie said the computer could add another qubit but he never quantified how many jumps it would take to do that.
And what's at Wiki?
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by comex » Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:14 pm
Something that I didn't write, at least.
http://www.xemoc.net/clwiki/index.php/L ... ech_theory
http://www.xemoc.net/clwiki/index.php/L ... ech_theory
by TB3 » Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:36 pm
For comex - YDV and I were both members at a time of a forum called Une Monde San Danger - we weren't the best of friends and ironically had massive disagreements on how the tech worked - one thread had to be deleted.
And look where we are now - only four months on from then.
It amazes me that five months ago I didn't even know CL existed!
And thankyou Taelia-chan.
And look where we are now - only four months on from then.
It amazes me that five months ago I didn't even know CL existed!
And thankyou Taelia-chan.
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by animenologist » Wed Jan 25, 2006 12:27 am
So I'm taking it that the next and probably the last part of the hardwares will be the console and ancilaries? Would be nice to get through our first unit and into areas YDV and I have more knowledge and thought on. I'm sorry that I've didn't put up anything recently, but right now I don't have much to add. Hopefully I should be able to think up some more ideas to contribute later. But the latest works were good.
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by TB3 » Sat Jan 28, 2006 6:05 pm
Well guys the much-balated console chapter is up, and I'm sorry its so short - if you feel I've missed something out or something needs to be included don't hesitate to make yourself heard!
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THE CONTROL CONSOLE
As a recruitment campaign for the Royal Air Force states – ‘A Tornado fighter is one of the most advanced aircraft on the planet – without qualified pilots it might as well be an model kit’ – likewise all of the Ile. Seguin complex, with it’s science-fiction-esque capabilities, is nothing more than wires and circuits without a user interface.
The control console IS that interface, and equally importantly it was from the console that Lyoko, XANA, the team’s avatars and vehicals etc were designed and executed. If the supercomputer is the heart that beats at the centre of the complex, the console is the mind.
HARDWARE
The control console itself is unremarkable – a standard QUERTY* keyboard attached to four LCD screens. The keyboard does frequently appear to change shape, however this can be attributed to ‘flopping’, or ‘reversing’ of the image (such as the one above where the keyboard is clearly a reverse of a conventional keyboard).
The LCD screens and the keyboard compose the entire user interface, aside from a Compact Disc drive mounted in the central monitor.
However the entire console is also attatched to a robotic aramature suspended from a circular track in the ceiling – coupled with the moveable track the control sea is mounted on these allow the user to rotate himself around the holosphere to get a clear view of any particular region of Lyoko, as shown below.
This image also shows the unusual girth of the aramature given the low weight of the unit it is supporting – and also the large number of electrical cables joining with it – therefore it makes sense that this armature also contains the processors and hard-drives for the console.
These components are most likely similar to the units in the scanners and STM and function as the nerve-centre of the console, as we will now see;
FUNCTION
When the factory complex was built, either by design or chance the Console became the hub – as this (crude) diagram shows;
As this shows the Console is the point from which all commands original, and also a point through which all data is routed, aside from a direct link from the supercomputer to the scanner.
The practical upshot to this is that the console retains control over the scanners and STM, preventing XANA from taking control of these without some considerable forethought and an involved attack.
What is most likely is that during construction Franz became worried of the possibility of the scanners and STM being hacked by external forces penetrating the supercomputer via its modems, and remodelled the system to remove direct control of these units from the supercomputer. There are also firewalls and other physical and programming inhibitors to prevent the supercomputer gaining command of the console.
This does however make some procedures rather involved, for example;
VIRTUALISATION
Jeremie sends commands for the scanner and supercomputer to begin procedures. Data streams from the scanner, to the console and then to the supercomputer. The inverse occurs with a devirt or materialisation.
RTTP
Commands are sent to the STM and supercomputer, and data streams from one to the other via the console.
On some occasions though XANA has been able to access the console, whether by direct hacking or virus implantation – this has occurred in FALSE START, A BAD TURN and notably A GREAT DAY.
What is most likely to have occurred in the episodes where XANA materialized a new body is that he bypassed the console altogether, hacking the scanners through the data feeds to assume command.
In A Great Day however XANA’s attack required the use of the console – and this he achieved via a booby-trap in some data Jeremie downloaded to the console.
This boody-trap was a ‘root-kit’, a program which created a link through the command lines to the supercomputer, and then reversed the flow, allowing the supercomputer to control the console and indirectly the STM.
XANA also attempted similar approaches in TIP-TOP-SHAPE and REVOLUTION – by wresting control of a program operated from the console he can (with some effort), reverse the command flow and take control.
PROGRAMMING
The console can also be used to operate and modify systems in Lyoko, as well as add new data as seen in Marabounta – however it is likely that Jeremie does not have programmer’s access to Lyoko, otherwise he could have targeted XANA’s core and deleted him.
What Jeremie can do however is write new programs, such as the transfer protocols, materilisation program, the team’s attribute-packs, the vehicles, Marabounta etc. These are held in the ‘restricted’ access memory in the supercomputer, and run from there via the console. This also explains why sometimes a lack of ‘machine reasources’ can sometimes hinder operations – an overload of the console preventing more programs being run.
CONCLUSION
In operation the console is much like the launch-keys on nuclear submarines – it restricts control to certain individuals because without it, the complex cannot be run, the weapon cannot be launched.
It is the console that serves as the kids trump-card in their fight with XANA – by controlling it they also control systems outside of the supercomputer, as well as some of its internal functions – XANA on the other-hand only has control of internal systems and thus has dominance there, as well as using the supercomputer’s modems to create spectres.
And if Franz, during construction, had not thought of making the console the network hub, and just an interface and monitor like on a conventional computer, then XANA would have dominated humanity years ago.
END OF ENTRY
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Well, a short one but I hope you found it suitable - as ever I hope you'll point out any errors so that they can be corrected.
Now, should I write a small piece on the hypothetical anciliaries level, or move onto PROCESSES: SAPS AND TAPS, which I hope could be a group chapter.
Cheers!
---------------------------------
THE CONTROL CONSOLE
As a recruitment campaign for the Royal Air Force states – ‘A Tornado fighter is one of the most advanced aircraft on the planet – without qualified pilots it might as well be an model kit’ – likewise all of the Ile. Seguin complex, with it’s science-fiction-esque capabilities, is nothing more than wires and circuits without a user interface.
The control console IS that interface, and equally importantly it was from the console that Lyoko, XANA, the team’s avatars and vehicals etc were designed and executed. If the supercomputer is the heart that beats at the centre of the complex, the console is the mind.
HARDWARE
The control console itself is unremarkable – a standard QUERTY* keyboard attached to four LCD screens. The keyboard does frequently appear to change shape, however this can be attributed to ‘flopping’, or ‘reversing’ of the image (such as the one above where the keyboard is clearly a reverse of a conventional keyboard).
The LCD screens and the keyboard compose the entire user interface, aside from a Compact Disc drive mounted in the central monitor.
However the entire console is also attatched to a robotic aramature suspended from a circular track in the ceiling – coupled with the moveable track the control sea is mounted on these allow the user to rotate himself around the holosphere to get a clear view of any particular region of Lyoko, as shown below.
This image also shows the unusual girth of the aramature given the low weight of the unit it is supporting – and also the large number of electrical cables joining with it – therefore it makes sense that this armature also contains the processors and hard-drives for the console.
These components are most likely similar to the units in the scanners and STM and function as the nerve-centre of the console, as we will now see;
FUNCTION
When the factory complex was built, either by design or chance the Console became the hub – as this (crude) diagram shows;
As this shows the Console is the point from which all commands original, and also a point through which all data is routed, aside from a direct link from the supercomputer to the scanner.
The practical upshot to this is that the console retains control over the scanners and STM, preventing XANA from taking control of these without some considerable forethought and an involved attack.
What is most likely is that during construction Franz became worried of the possibility of the scanners and STM being hacked by external forces penetrating the supercomputer via its modems, and remodelled the system to remove direct control of these units from the supercomputer. There are also firewalls and other physical and programming inhibitors to prevent the supercomputer gaining command of the console.
This does however make some procedures rather involved, for example;
VIRTUALISATION
Jeremie sends commands for the scanner and supercomputer to begin procedures. Data streams from the scanner, to the console and then to the supercomputer. The inverse occurs with a devirt or materialisation.
RTTP
Commands are sent to the STM and supercomputer, and data streams from one to the other via the console.
On some occasions though XANA has been able to access the console, whether by direct hacking or virus implantation – this has occurred in FALSE START, A BAD TURN and notably A GREAT DAY.
What is most likely to have occurred in the episodes where XANA materialized a new body is that he bypassed the console altogether, hacking the scanners through the data feeds to assume command.
In A Great Day however XANA’s attack required the use of the console – and this he achieved via a booby-trap in some data Jeremie downloaded to the console.
This boody-trap was a ‘root-kit’, a program which created a link through the command lines to the supercomputer, and then reversed the flow, allowing the supercomputer to control the console and indirectly the STM.
XANA also attempted similar approaches in TIP-TOP-SHAPE and REVOLUTION – by wresting control of a program operated from the console he can (with some effort), reverse the command flow and take control.
PROGRAMMING
The console can also be used to operate and modify systems in Lyoko, as well as add new data as seen in Marabounta – however it is likely that Jeremie does not have programmer’s access to Lyoko, otherwise he could have targeted XANA’s core and deleted him.
What Jeremie can do however is write new programs, such as the transfer protocols, materilisation program, the team’s attribute-packs, the vehicles, Marabounta etc. These are held in the ‘restricted’ access memory in the supercomputer, and run from there via the console. This also explains why sometimes a lack of ‘machine reasources’ can sometimes hinder operations – an overload of the console preventing more programs being run.
CONCLUSION
In operation the console is much like the launch-keys on nuclear submarines – it restricts control to certain individuals because without it, the complex cannot be run, the weapon cannot be launched.
It is the console that serves as the kids trump-card in their fight with XANA – by controlling it they also control systems outside of the supercomputer, as well as some of its internal functions – XANA on the other-hand only has control of internal systems and thus has dominance there, as well as using the supercomputer’s modems to create spectres.
And if Franz, during construction, had not thought of making the console the network hub, and just an interface and monitor like on a conventional computer, then XANA would have dominated humanity years ago.
END OF ENTRY
---------------------
Well, a short one but I hope you found it suitable - as ever I hope you'll point out any errors so that they can be corrected.
Now, should I write a small piece on the hypothetical anciliaries level, or move onto PROCESSES: SAPS AND TAPS, which I hope could be a group chapter.
Cheers!
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by comex » Sat Jan 28, 2006 6:58 pm
*sigh*
I honestly think that a wiki is the best place to store this kind of stuff, but since you seem to think otherwise...
I have wikified that last chapter at:
http://www.xemoc.net/clwiki/index.php/L ... ol_Console
Also:
* QWERTY, not QUERTY
* Actually, I think that having a console as a hub is very poor design and not necessarily the case. XANA does obviously not have full control over the supercomputer and never did, because in that case he could easily have removed Jeremie's restricted-access stuff.
I honestly think that a wiki is the best place to store this kind of stuff, but since you seem to think otherwise...
I have wikified that last chapter at:
http://www.xemoc.net/clwiki/index.php/L ... ol_Console
Also:
* QWERTY, not QUERTY
* Actually, I think that having a console as a hub is very poor design and not necessarily the case. XANA does obviously not have full control over the supercomputer and never did, because in that case he could easily have removed Jeremie's restricted-access stuff.
by YDV » Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:04 pm
Great job! 
Although that diagram was a little hard for me to see... oh well. I think Jeremie -does- have programmer's access to Lyoko, just not FULL access, as Hopper did. (Sort of like Standard vs. Pro in a lot of programs) He most likely didn't know where XANA's core was because he never thought to look there. In fact, when it comes to Lyoko's inner processes, he probably only has the ability to observe... and add programs, as you said.
Although that diagram was a little hard for me to see... oh well. I think Jeremie -does- have programmer's access to Lyoko, just not FULL access, as Hopper did. (Sort of like Standard vs. Pro in a lot of programs) He most likely didn't know where XANA's core was because he never thought to look there. In fact, when it comes to Lyoko's inner processes, he probably only has the ability to observe... and add programs, as you said.
BEHHHH
by TB3 » Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:16 pm
comex wrote:*sigh*
I honestly think that a wiki is the best place to store this kind of stuff, but since you seem to think otherwise...
I have wikified that last chapter at:
http://www.xemoc.net/clwiki/index.php/L ... ol_Console
Also:
* QWERTY, not QUERTY
* Actually, I think that having a console as a hub is very poor design and not necessarily the case. XANA does obviously not have full control over the supercomputer and never did, because in that case he could easily have removed Jeremie's restricted-access stuff.
I see the restricted access as a being PHYSICALLY sundered from the rest of the memory space - and also A GREAT DAY refutes the concept of the console being a hub - through it XANA controls another system.
As for the QWERTY correction, thankyou - and please continue to wiki the chapters, I just like posting them here for everyone to see.
YDV, thanks as ever.
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by comex » Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:25 pm
If it was PHYSICALLY sundered then why did it help for XANA to get the keys to Lyoko?
And, er, do you know what "refute" means?
I've wikified another of the articles:
http://www.xemoc.net/clwiki/index.php/L ... anipulator
And, er, do you know what "refute" means?
I've wikified another of the articles:
http://www.xemoc.net/clwiki/index.php/L ... anipulator
by TB3 » Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:33 pm
kay, I screwed up with refute.
Now when XANA gets the keys to Lyoko, he activates enough towers to free himself from the confines of the computer.
Now possibly he could have accessed the other portions with his new power (without more info on the keys we don;t know if this can be done), but he doesn't - possibly because with Aelita dead he knew Lyoko would shut down like it did and he wanted to get out as fast as he could.
Now when XANA gets the keys to Lyoko, he activates enough towers to free himself from the confines of the computer.
Now possibly he could have accessed the other portions with his new power (without more info on the keys we don;t know if this can be done), but he doesn't - possibly because with Aelita dead he knew Lyoko would shut down like it did and he wanted to get out as fast as he could.
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