Taelia's return

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[Vora Lyoko offline]

Well, Jeremie could have NOT showed her the code to the elevator when he was entering it.

What he said.

[Darkborn offline]

Speaking of the Code. What ever happened to it?

[Vora Lyoko offline]

They really don't show it to you much I guess.

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Maybe Jeremie fixed it so no one needs to type it again. Oh well.

Lets get back on topic.

Taelia, would possibly be another Sissi, as in being a nosy person.

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I think that the cameo idea is nice, and that you shouldn't make it a point to keep brining characters from previous episodes back. Having them in the background suffices, or you bring them back and make them a subplot focus.

As for the code, I bet that Jeremie disabled it or something.

off topic: why is it that jeremie never put in tighter secuirty of some kind in the factory? even if it was an oil slick, it would have bought him a little more time. I mean Xana always was going after him after the pick on yumi week.

[Mewberries151]

Yea well she still could have kept her loud mouth shut.

Well she had good intentions....I think...

I agree, dragondasher. She didn't do anything out of malice. I think she might have just been frightened. Honestly, if someone came up to you out of the blue, and told you that they knew about a super computer that had the capacity to cause utter chaos within your neighborhood, country, and the world, wouldn't you consider going to the authorities?

I don't approve of what she did, that much I agree on, but she wasn't doing anything to be cruel or cause them any trouble. You'll notice Jeremie neglected to tell her that shutting off the computer would kill Aelita (because he believed Taelia was Aelita). If he had been able to tell her that, then she may have reconsidered telling the authorities. She didn't know that anyone's life was in danger, because no one bothered to tell her. Now if she had known that shutting down the computer would destroy Aelita, and Odd and Ulrich if they were still in Lyoko, and still went to the authorities, than by all means that would make her cruel and uncaring. But she didn't know. Her intentions were honest, at the least.

Maybe Jeremie fixed it so no one needs to type it again. Oh well.

Lets get back on topic.

Taelia, would possibly be another Sissi, as in being a nosy person.

She wasn't nosy at all either...everything that she learned about Lyoko, Jeremie told her. She didn't go snooping around for it. Jeremie made a mistake in believing whole-heartedly that she must be Aelita (which is understandable because she looks just like her, and he hadn't been sleeping well which was clouding his judgement).

And they still needed to use the elevator code by the time "Amnesia" played, since Ulrich has a flashback of it in order to get to the super computer level.

So far as getting newer security around the factory, I suppose that's why Jeremie decided to make more use of the "security cameras" within the building afterwards. I don't think they'd want to try booby traps because if the wrong person fell into them, someone could get hurt, and I doubt Team Lyoko would want to risk that. Plus, elaborate booby traps have a wonderful way of back-firing on the creator at the worst possible moment. ^^;

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So far as getting newer security around the factory, I suppose that's why Jeremie decided to make more use of the "security cameras" within the building afterwards. I don't think they'd want to try booby traps because if the wrong person fell into them, someone could get hurt, and I doubt Team Lyoko would want to risk that. Plus, elaborate booby traps have a wonderful way of back-firing on the creator at the worst possible moment. ^^;

yeah true, but it isn't out of Jeremie's character to experiment. He made the Marabounta, and made Odd a ghost. Im sure that the traps would be less complicated and less of a risk than those

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I found Taelia to be uninteresting and having a chip on her shoulder, so could really care less if she returned. My argument for her disappearance was her tuition check bounced and she got the boot.

off topic: why is it that jeremie never put in tighter secuirty of some kind in the factory? even if it was an oil slick, it would have bought him a little more time. I mean Xana always was going after him after the pick on yumi week.

Jeremie is still a twelve/thirteen year old kid and common sense doesn't come hand-in-hand with genius level intelligence. Even a good deadbolt on the door would have been some help.

[Mewberries151]

So far as getting newer security around the factory, I suppose that's why Jeremie decided to make more use of the "security cameras" within the building afterwards. I don't think they'd want to try booby traps because if the wrong person fell into them, someone could get hurt, and I doubt Team Lyoko would want to risk that. Plus, elaborate booby traps have a wonderful way of back-firing on the creator at the worst possible moment. ^^;

yeah true, but it isn't out of Jeremie's character to experiment. He made the Marabounta, and made Odd a ghost. Im sure that the traps would be less complicated and less of a risk than those

But just look at how the "Marabounta" and "Jeremi-fying" ideas turned out, though. Jeremie does not have a good history with his inventions to fight XANA working, outside of the Lyoko vehicles...I'm not sure the others would let him try making booby traps. *sweatdrops* It certainly isn't out of his character to experiment, but making more experiments that only end up going awry, isn't going to help a whole bunch.

Although it could bring about a new catch phrase for the group in relation to Jeremie:

<i>"Well, Jeremie, this is another fine mess you've gotten us into."</i>

I found Taelia to be uninteresting and having a chip on her shoulder, so could really care less if she returned. My argument for her disappearance was her tuition check bounced and she got the boot.

off topic: why is it that jeremie never put in tighter secuirty of some kind in the factory? even if it was an oil slick, it would have bought him a little more time. I mean Xana always was going after him after the pick on yumi week.

Jeremie is still a twelve/thirteen year old kid and common sense doesn't come hand-in-hand with genius level intelligence. Even a good deadbolt on the door would have been some help.

Taelia was an orphan. If that doesn't give someone the right to have a "chip on their shoulder", I don't know what would.

A deadbolt is not going to do anything if a XANA Possessee can just as easily phase through the door. The only reason the authorities got in during "GOTD" was because they had the password to open the door.

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So far as getting newer security around the factory, I suppose that's why Jeremie decided to make more use of the "security cameras" within the building afterwards. I don't think they'd want to try booby traps because if the wrong person fell into them, someone could get hurt, and I doubt Team Lyoko would want to risk that. Plus, elaborate booby traps have a wonderful way of back-firing on the creator at the worst possible moment. ^^;

yeah true, but it isn't out of Jeremie's character to experiment. He made the Marabounta, and made Odd a ghost. Im sure that the traps would be less complicated and less of a risk than those

But just look at how the "Marabounta" and "Jeremi-fying" ideas turned out, though. Jeremie does not have a good history with his inventions to fight XANA working, outside of the Lyoko vehicles...I'm not sure the others would let him try making booby traps. *sweatdrops* It certainly isn't out of his character to experiment, but making more experiments that only end up going awry, isn't going to help a whole bunch.

Although it could bring about a new catch phrase for the group in relation to Jeremie:

<i>"Well, Jeremie, this is another fine mess you've gotten us into."</i>

I found Taelia to be uninteresting and having a chip on her shoulder, so could really care less if she returned. My argument for her disappearance was her tuition check bounced and she got the boot.

off topic: why is it that jeremie never put in tighter secuirty of some kind in the factory? even if it was an oil slick, it would have bought him a little more time. I mean Xana always was going after him after the pick on yumi week.

Jeremie is still a twelve/thirteen year old kid and common sense doesn't come hand-in-hand with genius level intelligence. Even a good deadbolt on the door would have been some help.

Taelia was an orphan. If that doesn't give someone the right to have a "chip on their shoulder", I don't know what would.

A deadbolt is not going to do anything if a XANA Possessee can just as easily phase through the door. The only reason the authorities got in during "GOTD" was because they had the password to open the door.

Good point Mewberries . unfortunately ( or maybe fortunately, because it was cool) , I think that the "Jeremiefication" will be a process used agian in season three. and true, Jeremie's experiments beyond the vehicles are indeed more detrimental than helpful. but hey, you can't blame a guy for trying. :-D *goofy Jeremie grin from holiday in the fog* Intelligent people have to experiment.

I also agree with you about every point you made about aelita Taelia in this post and the last

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Yea well she still could have kept her loud mouth shut.

Well she had good intentions....I think...

I agree, dragondasher. She didn't do anything out of malice. I think she might have just been frightened. Honestly, if someone came up to you out of the blue, and told you that they knew about a super computer that had the capacity to cause utter chaos within your neighborhood, country, and the world, wouldn't you consider going to the authorities?

I don't approve of what she did, that much I agree on, but she wasn't doing anything to be cruel or cause them any trouble. You'll notice Jeremie neglected to tell her that shutting off the computer would kill Aelita (because he believed Taelia was Aelita). If he had been able to tell her that, then she may have reconsidered telling the authorities. She didn't know that anyone's life was in danger, because no one bothered to tell her. Now if she had known that shutting down the computer would destroy Aelita, and Odd and Ulrich if they were still in Lyoko, and still went to the authorities, than by all means that would make her cruel and uncaring. But she didn't know. Her intentions were honest, at the least.

Off topic: You got the quote order wrong...Just pointing out! eek! Don't hurt me! *hides behind...something
On topic: I agree with your first statement Mewberries. If I was Taeila, I would've done the same thing or at least learn more about what was happening. (Shouldn't she realize that something would go wrong if the SuperComputer got shut down? Why do you think the CL gang has to go to the factory all the time?) I also agree with your second statement. Jeremie should've told her the consequences of shutting down the supercomputer when he realized Taeila wasn't Aelita (could that have work..? I'm not sure...I have to re-watch the episode...). I think if he told her, she wouldn't have informed the authorites since she should've realize the consequences of doing so.

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Taelia was an orphan. If that doesn't give someone the right to have a "chip on their shoulder", I don't know what would.

Sorry, that's an excuse. She could have a chip on her shoulder, but don't expect others to care.

A deadbolt is not going to do anything if a XANA Possessee can just as easily phase through the door. The only reason the authorities got in during "GOTD" was because they had the password to open the door.

That's just a very basic example of the smallest thing that Jeremie could do, but doesn't. Remember when the zombies were coming and Kiwi got the door to open? Kiwi! The point is Jeremie has had the obvious hitting, or choking, him for the longest time, but doesn't do anything about it. He knows how Xana's specters work. Why hasn't he built some EM field or what not that would repel its particualr pixel frequency? Why hasn't he developed something better to take on a specter than stalling it with his face?

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All of the points everyone has made about Jeremie telling Taelia are very valid, he didn't because you have all of the suspense of will the tower get deactivated in time, and can Jeremie resist the cops (well play dead weight at least)

so logic goes out the window to make room for suspense

[Mewberries151]

Good point Mewberries . unfortunately ( or maybe fortunately, because it was cool) , I think that the "Jeremiefication" will be a process used agian in season three. and true, Jeremie's experiments beyond the vehicles are indeed more detrimental than helpful. but hey, you can't blame a guy for trying. :-D *goofy Jeremie grin from holiday in the fog* Intelligent people have to experiment.

I also agree with you about every point you made about aelita Taelia in this post and the last

Aww, thank you! ^_^ I agree with you entirely about the "Jeremi-fying" becoming more regular in Season 3. Honestly I think that's the best shot they've got against XANA since he can no longer mess up the process by infiltrating the tower they've activated (if he has indeed completely escaped Lyoko, that should forfeit his ability to manipulate it, beyond throwing the switch himself).

Indeed, I can't blame Jeremie for trying either. ^^ Aelita wouldn't be materialized if he had never tried inventing anything. To be sure, "Jeremi-fying" will probably work much better now that he knows the process and the risks. Plus, now that Franz Hopper's diary is now fully decoded, he won't make the same mistakes he made with previous Hopper-inspired inventions due to "mistranslations". ^^ He might not ever entirely escape that karma of having his inventions more or less blow-up in his face a good deal of the time. That's what makes him fun. Even in season 1, his inventions sometimes had issues. "Swarming Attack" comes to mind.

Taelia was an orphan. If that doesn't give someone the right to have a "chip on their shoulder", I don't know what would.

Sorry, that's an excuse. She could have a chip on her shoulder, but don't expect others to care.

If you don't mind my being frank with you, I'd have to say that's the most insensitive thing I've ever heard. Would you honestly go up to a person whom you knew had been orphaned and express an opinion like that?

In any case, I do care, and even if it is an excuse, it still has merit. Losing the ones you love can make you a bitter, bitter person, and that ought to be taken into account.

A deadbolt is not going to do anything if a XANA Possessee can just as easily phase through the door. The only reason the authorities got in during "GOTD" was because they had the password to open the door.

That's just a very basic example of the smallest thing that Jeremie could do, but doesn't. Remember when the zombies were coming and Kiwi got the door to open? Kiwi! The point is Jeremie has had the obvious hitting, or choking, him for the longest time, but doesn't do anything about it. He knows how Xana's specters work. Why hasn't he built some EM field or what not that would repel its particualr pixel frequency? Why hasn't he developed something better to take on a specter than stalling it with his face?

He did build something like that in "Ultimatum". It unfortunately didn't work. ^^;

Kiwi knew the password, having been possessed by XANA, and likely commanded one of the zombies to enter it at the right time.

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I think we are only saying stuff about Jeremie because we KNOW what happened. He didn't know what was happening at the time. We only say this because we got the bird-eye's view of what happened...But hey that's just my opinion...

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I agree, dragondasher. She didn't do anything out of malice. I think she might have just been frightened. Honestly, if someone came up to you out of the blue, and told you that they knew about a super computer that had the capacity to cause utter chaos within your neighborhood, country, and the world, wouldn't you consider going to the authorities?

I wrote that she should have kept her mouth shut. But your right.

Jeremie has had the obvious hitting, or choking, him for the longest time, but doesn't do anything about it.

We know that. I'm about run over to him and give him defense lessons. Then again in "Common Interest" he hit Peter Duncon/Xana
on the head but thats an attack sucked up into a defense.

[Mewberries151]

I agree, dragondasher. She didn't do anything out of malice. I think she might have just been frightened. Honestly, if someone came up to you out of the blue, and told you that they knew about a super computer that had the capacity to cause utter chaos within your neighborhood, country, and the world, wouldn't you consider going to the authorities?

I wrote that she should have kept her mouth shut. But your right.

Jeremie has had the obvious hitting, or choking, him for the longest time, but doesn't do anything about it.

We know that. I'm about run over to him and give him defense lessons. Then again in "Common Interest" he hit Peter Duncon/Xana
on the head but thats an attack sucked up into a defense.

He's a lover and not a fighter. What else can he do...except maybe take some Pentchak-Silat lessons from Ulrich...that might help a little. ^^

[Vora Lyoko offline]

Jeremy will kill the arts of Pentchak-Silat. I can see it now! *stare into crystal ball*

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If you don't mind my being frank with you, I'd have to say that's the most insensitive thing I've ever heard. Would you honestly go up to a person whom you knew had been orphaned and express an opinion like that?

Don't mind at all. And yes I would if he or she decided that being orphaned legitimizes their poor behavior. Everyone will always have a reason to have an attitude, no matter how great or small. That doesn't mean they get a free pass to act badly free of response. Like I said, they can act that way if they want, but don't expect sympathy.

He did build something like that in "Ultimatum". It unfortunately didn't work. ^^;

And as the school cafeteria proved, a decent door could hold off the zombies for a while. A good strong one with a large deadbolt would have stopped them completely, especially a dog. The point is Jeremie has constantly failed to seek a method of defending the control room, no matter how small of an improvement.

[Mewberries151]

If you don't mind my being frank with you, I'd have to say that's the most insensitive thing I've ever heard. Would you honestly go up to a person whom you knew had been orphaned and express an opinion like that?

Don't mind at all. And yes I would if he or she decided that being orphaned legitimizes their poor behavior. Everyone will always have a reason to have an attitude, no matter how great or small. That doesn't mean they get a free pass to act badly free of response. Like I said, they can act that way if they want, but don't expect sympathy.

But she wasn't behaving all that poorly. She acted rather coldly towards Odd because he sounded like he was hitting on her and given Odd's reputation, I'd say she'd have fair reason to want to avoid a situation like that. She only became very sensitive when he asked about her parents, in which case she excused herself. She was never out and out rude. She felt uncomfortable speaking with Odd and left. That was all. She was not rude to him at all really, even though he hit a very sensitive topic with her.

Now when Jeremie burst into her room and began ranting about XANA, she complimented him on his forwardness (he burst into a girl's dorm room...which is against the rules, I'd believe). When he grabbed her arm, she said she wasn't going to go with anyone who's nuts. Think carefully about her situation here. She's new to the school; a boy that she is not familiar with at all really has just burst into her dorm room and is now forcibly trying to take her somewhere, all the while ranting about an evil super computer. I think my own intuitive warnings would be blaring a "BIG TROUBLE" sign at something like that.

In retrospect, she never behaved rudely towards anyone, even without the excuse of being an orphan (which I still can't abide with faulting her for). I think the trouble is, is that everyone seems to fault her for acting like a normal person in the face of an unbelieveable situation. Yumi, Jeremie, Aelita, Ulrich, and Odd deal with XANA on a daily basis. Taelia was thrust into a dangerous situation, having been mistaken for someone else, and simply acted on a very human feeling. Fear. As I said, I don't approve of her actions, and she is certainly not a favorite character of mine. But she didn't act without good reason, and I think that ought to be put into consideration.

To be sure, her actions are far more understandable than say, TV...who has absolutely no redeeming qualities that I can really think of. ^^;

He did build something like that in "Ultimatum". It unfortunately didn't work. ^^;

And as the school cafeteria proved, a decent door could hold off the zombies for a while. A good strong one with a large deadbolt would have stopped them completely, especially a dog. The point is Jeremie has constantly failed to seek a method of defending the control room, no matter how small of an improvement.

The door to the Super Computer has the most elaborate "dead bolt" there is. The style of the door also doesn't allow for such a thing. Plus, who's to say that Kiwi could have simply broken the dead bolt open. XANA Possessees gain super human strength and abilities as well, which is why they're so impossible to fight efficiently. Even if there were a dead bolt installed somewhere, there's no reason Kiwi or any XANA Possessee wouldn't be able to find a way around it or to break it.

As for other forms of security...beyond hand-made booby traps, any "technical" forms of security would be unwise as they could easily be turned against them, since XANA has always been able to command control over electronics. That's why he's such a difficult opponent. By all rights he should be able to stymie them at every turn, but because the kids rely on the bare basics (their own strengths and wits), he can't turn everything against them.

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But she wasn't behaving all that poorly. She acted rather coldly towards Odd because he sounded like he was hitting on her and given Odd's reputation, I'd say she'd have fair reason to want to avoid a situation like that. She only became very sensitive when he asked about her parents, in which case she excused herself. She was never out and out rude. She felt uncomfortable speaking with Odd and left. That was all. She was not rude to him at all really, even though he hit a very sensitive topic with her.

Now when Jeremie burst into her room and began ranting about XANA, she complimented him on his forwardness (he burst into a girl's dorm room...which is against the rules, I'd believe). When he grabbed her arm, she said she wasn't going to go with anyone who's nuts. Think carefully about her situation here. She's new to the school; a boy that she is not familiar with at all really has just burst into her dorm room and is now forcibly trying to take her somewhere, all the while ranting about an evil super computer. I think my own intuitive warnings would be blaring a "BIG TROUBLE" sign at something like that.

The change in a orphan's life to move to a big circle as school is a big twist. To not know about flirting, love or sex could make Taelia fear Odd. To get hit on by some random guy can be seen as perverted.

As for the Jeremie part, well, you know Jeremie when his mind's clouded. It would have ended worse is Jim passed through Taelia's dorm at that moment. Jeremie charged as abuser and rapist could get him kicked off from Kadic, but then he could use the RTTP to avoid such event, given that by certain moment he wasn't that aware of how XANA grows power.

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I don't think Odd had the reputation at the time, at least not one that Taelia would have learned about so quickly considering how she is. She simply assumed he was making a pass at her. I'm not female, so I have no idea how a girl would see such a thing. My point is that being an orphan doesn't mean you get a free sympathy pass. Yumi has a disfunctional family. Ulrich's parents are emotionally distant from him. It can be argued that both of their situations could be worse than Taelia's, yet they don't let it color their behavior.

And Jeremie was a nutjob.

The door to the Super Computer has the most elaborate "dead bolt" there is.

And yet, the glass and aluminum cafeteria door held off the zombies much longer until Herve screwed it up. Had there been a normal oak door with a strong bolt, it would seem the zombies would never have penetrated the control room.

As for other forms of security...beyond hand-made booby traps, any "technical" forms of security would be unwise as they could easily be turned against them, since XANA has always been able to command control over electronics. That's why he's such a difficult opponent. By all rights he should be able to stymie them at every turn, but because the kids rely on the bare basics (their own strengths and wits), he can't turn everything against them.

That's too convienent. Why doesn't he simply take over the supercomputer if he can do that? Plot hole? Xana is completely incompetent; that's why it can't even beat four kids.

[Mewberries151]

I don't think Odd had the reputation at the time, at least not one that Taelia would have learned about so quickly considering how she is. She simply assumed he was making a pass at her. I'm not female, so I have no idea how a girl would see such a thing. My point is that being an orphan doesn't mean you get a free sympathy pass. Yumi has a disfunctional family. Ulrich's parents are emotionally distant from him. It can be argued that both of their situations could be worse than Taelia's, yet they don't let it color their behavior.

And Jeremie was a nutjob.

Since you're not a girl, than you shouldn't fault her for acting like she did towards Odd. If a person were making a pass at me, I think I may have been rather unseated by it...particularly if I was 13 like Taelia and entirely new to a place. She may have figured that because she was knew, he figured she'd be an easy mark because she's all on her own, socially speaking. It's just something that girls unfortunately have to be careful about these days.

The issue isn't about her family situation anymore, really, though I still think that it's a meritable issue...Yumi certainly let it get to her in "Laughing Fit" and the same goes for Ulrich in "Zero Gravity Zone". They're only human and they're only 13-14 years old. But regardless, the point is, Taelia was reacting like a human and thinking a bit like a girl would in regards to relations with boys. Again, I really can't fault her for her actions.

Jeremie was on less than 4 hours of sleep, I believe, and I'm ending it at that.

The door to the Super Computer has the most elaborate "dead bolt" there is.

And yet, the glass and aluminum cafeteria door held off the zombies much longer until Herve screwed it up. Had there been a normal oak door with a strong bolt, it would seem the zombies would never have penetrated the control room.

Which just goes to show that the simplest defense can often be the best. to be fair, the zombies didn't have Kiwi with them when they tried to seige the cafeteria. Who's to say that if XANA Kiwi had stayed with them, that Kiwi wouldn't have just phased through the door, bitten everyone within it's radius and let the zombies in that way? A XANA Possessee is virtually unstoppable, unless faced with another "possessee", or in this case, a "Jeremi-fied combatant". ^^

As for other forms of security...beyond hand-made booby traps, any "technical" forms of security would be unwise as they could easily be turned against them, since XANA has always been able to command control over electronics. That's why he's such a difficult opponent. By all rights he should be able to stymie them at every turn, but because the kids rely on the bare basics (their own strengths and wits), he can't turn everything against them.

That's too convienent. Why doesn't he simply take over the supercomputer if he can do that? Plot hole? Xana is completely incompetent; that's why it can't even beat four kids.

The supercomputer has encryptions that XANA does not have access too. That was made known long ago in "Routine". In order to gain any control over the super computer itself, XANA has to re-infect himself and simultaneously infect the super computer with the help of an activated tower. He's not incompetent...he just thinks like a machine, which is why the kids, who think like humans, can undo his plans.

He thinks too logically. It's like the saying, "Foolproof plans are all well and good, but fools are just all too ingenious. And, if something really is truly foolproof, you still have to watch out for the idiots."

Oh and by the way, DragonDasher...my apologies for mixing the quote order around a few posts back. *sweatdrops*

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The supercomputer has encryptions that XANA does not have access too.

As could any defenses Jeremie programs.

...which is why the kids, who think like humans, can undo his plans.

And yet it dreams of taking over the world.

If you want to rule the world and can't beat four kids, I'd say Xana was incompetent.