Stupid Jeremie?

[comex offline]

In The Key, after Aelita was brought back to life, it took about fifteen seconds to do the de-virtualization. Jeremie definitely wasn't typing anything while Aelita was lying on the ground.

But he had much more than that to start de-virtualization of Aelita *before* the Scipizoa. Even after Ulrich's forced de-virtualization (so he could stop working on him and focus on Aelita, although if he was smart he'd realize that Ulrich would be hit by a falling thingy in the most likely event, not fall off, and not bother to de-virtualize him) he had just enough time to do it- but he didn't, of course.

[Darkborn offline]

Aelita can only come to Earth through Towers. She can't be devitualized like others. If she dies she dies.

[comex offline]

I think that's right, but then how was Jeremie able to start de-virtualization right after Franz Hopper saved Aelita under basically the same conditions?

[Darkborn offline]

Aelita got her missing fragment back. So now she was a normal human and she could be devirtualized without a tower.

[comex offline]

Oh.
Duh.

But, Jeremie was able to add her to the system as a new entity in 15 seconds? :/

[Darkborn offline]

Aelita already had a card. If you watch the Scanner/transfer/virtu thing. When the cards flash, you see an Aelita card. Jeremie uses it to Virtualize Aelita.

[Virus_Xana offline]

lets face it when it comes to Aelita Jeremie jumps in without thinking.

[Carth]

And for the record, the 'fragment' was fake. It was a trap by XANA.

Still, yes. Jer's not stupid, but his judgement can be clouded by his love and concern for Aelita.

[Darkborn offline]

Her fragment was restored by Franz, he memory was the missing fragment. She is not tied to Xana anymore so she is now a human...again.

[Skorpigeist offline]

Jeremie has never been stupid, just a bit rash at times with his love for Aelita, like everyone else said. His only major flaw besides that is the fact that he has a bad track record with some of his experiments.
And now that Aelita is human, does that mean that she can be devirtualized? I would still say that is pretty risky since she can only deactivate towers.

[Darkborn offline]

We shall see what happens in season 3 or 4. And yes she can possibly be Devirtualzied, but like I said, we shall wait.

[Carth]

Her fragment was restored by Franz, he memory was the missing fragment. She is not tied to Xana anymore so she is now a human...again.

Oh yeaaa...

Me is dum.

As a matter of fact, when I read that, I was listening to American Idiot by Green Day...how...unironic.

Well, I agree with everyone else. Jer's a genius, but trying situations can often lead him to make bad decisions. It's stress. All humans get it, even Jer.

[Godaiger offline]

I agree with Carth, love can make you do stupid things sometimes.

[Skorpigeist offline]

We also have to remember that Jeremie runs on very little sleep. I think maybe sometimes he can be to dedicated to his quest that he forgets/neglects the world around him. It would be nice if he would take more of a break and go on a few dates with Aelita that we could see.

[Xanadu offline]

And besides, how many of you could think of a devirtualization program? I know I couldn't.

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[*Star* Gazer offline]

I agree with Carth, love can make you do stupid things sometimes.

People do crazy things when there in love.

It would be nice if he would take more of a break and go on a few dates with Aelita that we could see.

Hmm.....If he actually asked her out. I'd love that. (It's my personnel dream 83)

[Waves_blade offline]

This is just a possibility but couldnt franz have devirtulized aelita after he had restored her memories?

[DarkestSoul X21 offline]

remember XANA told away a fragment that belongs to aelita. the fragment was aelita's memery on Earth. But when Franz Hopper give the fragment back Aelita was free from XANA (Will, not really.)

[Skorpigeist offline]

It would be nice if he would take more of a break and go on a few dates with Aelita that we could see.

Hmm.....If he actually asked her out. I'd love that. (It's my personnel dream 83)

Makes you wonder what he is waiting for doesn't it? I mean it is not like she would say no.

[FormicaArchonis offline]

Hmm.....If he actually asked her out. I'd love that. (It's my personnel dream 83)

Makes you wonder what he is waiting for doesn't it? I mean it is not like she would say no.

I don't think he's quite got a handle on the concept of boyfriend/girlfriend relationships, doesn't understand there's maintenance involved. Everything's okay, why should he have to work at it? Even their first "date" (in False Start) was more about showing Aelita around reality.

He figures that they're fundamentally the same: Capable of hyperfocusing, prone to ignore the need for sleep, drawing enjoyment from working at solving a complex problem. While that was perhaps true when they met (Aelita didn't have anything to do but work on the devirtualization program, didn't need to sleep, and had no access to entertainment), now that she's had a chance to take a flesh-and-blood body for a test drive, she's growing and changing emotionally and intellectually. She's no longer the girl who was quite literally at his beck and call, but he hasn't noticed yet. (He does have a habit of missing the obvious.)

I've probably said this before, but anyway.... As much as I loathe psychology-speak: She has a sensate and extroverted personality, and is starting to chafe against Jeremie's intuitive and introverted self. Aelita showed signs of that even while on Lyoko. How many times was she shown roaming around Lyoko when there was no obvious reason to be, like at the start of an episode? She'd presumably be safer in a tower, but I guess she liked to get out for a walk even then. If Jeremie were the AI trapped on Lyoko, he'd probably have spent all his time latched onto the interface in the tower.

Doesn't help that he has no real role models should he attempt to be more date-friendly. Yumi and Ulrich are hopeless on that front, and Odd probably plans his dates based on where his other girlfriends aren't going to be. His only real hope is Aelita herself, and a few magic words: "What do you want to do today?" Maybe we should stage an intervention for him, or something.

[Mewberries151]

Hmm.....If he actually asked her out. I'd love that. (It's my personnel dream 83)

Makes you wonder what he is waiting for doesn't it? I mean it is not like she would say no.

I don't think he's quite got a handle on the concept of boyfriend/girlfriend relationships, doesn't understand there's maintenance involved. Everything's okay, why should he have to work at it? Even their first "date" (in False Start) was more about showing Aelita around reality.

Good point...plus, honestly, it's not like it's easy to just come out and tell a person you love them. That's a big emotional leap to take.

Also, there's the fact that the fight against XANA is still going on...having a relationship might be complicating and even endangering in Jeremie's logical viewpoint. If XANA wanted to hit him hard, emotionally, while also disable the group's main advantage in a fight against him...who would be the best target? It's not Odd, that's for sure...(no offense, Odd). ^^;

I've probably said this before, but anyway.... As much as I loathe psychology-speak: She has a sensate and extroverted personality, and is starting to chafe against Jeremie's intuitive and introverted self. Aelita showed signs of that even while on Lyoko. How many times was she shown roaming around Lyoko when there was no obvious reason to be, like at the start of an episode? She'd presumably be safer in a tower, but I guess she liked to get out for a walk even then. If Jeremie were the AI trapped on Lyoko, he'd probably have spent all his time latched onto the interface in the tower.

Another good point, although to be fair, Jeremie will go out and get some fresh air of his own accord at times. He's done that a few times in various episodes, I believe.

Doesn't help that he has no real role models should he attempt to be more date-friendly. Yumi and Ulrich are hopeless on that front, and Odd probably plans his dates based on where his other girlfriends aren't going to be. His only real hope is Aelita herself, and a few magic words: "What do you want to do today?" Maybe we should stage an intervention for him, or something.

ROFL!! That is just way too true! He can't even go to his parents for advice either, since Aelita's identity crisis is still a threat; it would probably be a bad idea to mention her to them. ^^;

[FormicaArchonis offline]

Even their first "date" (in False Start) was more about showing Aelita around reality.

Good point...plus, honestly, it's not like it's easy to just come out and tell a person you love them. That's a big emotional leap to take.

I wouldn't suggest he do that. Quite the opposite: I don't think they've been together long enough to warrant a step that big. Starting with "really like" is highly recommeneded.

Also, there's the fact that the fight against XANA is still going on...having a relationship might be complicating and even endangering in Jeremie's logical viewpoint. If XANA wanted to hit him hard, emotionally, while also disable the group's main advantage in a fight against him...who would be the best target? It's not Odd, that's for sure...(no offense, Odd). ^^;

Very true. In a sense, they're coworkers. Fighting XANA is a job: Something they have to do, like it or not, even if they're having problems. And relationships with coworkers are a minefield.

If Jeremie were the AI trapped on Lyoko, he'd probably have spent all his time latched onto the interface in the tower.

Another good point, although to be fair, Jeremie will go out and get some fresh air of his own accord at times. He's done that a few times in various episodes, I believe.

I can't cite any specific episode offhand, but, yeah, I'm sure he has.

His only real hope is Aelita herself, and a few magic words: "What do you want to do today?" Maybe we should stage an intervention for him, or something.

ROFL!! That is just way too true! He can't even go to his parents for advice either, since Aelita's identity crisis is still a threat; it would probably be a bad idea to mention her to them. ^^;

"Yeah, I met this girl, and she's really nice. Her name is Aelita St... uhh... H... uhh... something. Um, her parents? Well, she doesn't really have any. No! It's not like that! She has a dad, but he's... um... out of reach. No, he's not in prison! Well, not a real one, anyway.... What do you mean, you don't want me hanging around with her anymore?"

[Cassius335 offline]

I hope TB3's reading this topic. This is interesting stuff (and means there's a possible chink in the J/A relationship after all)

[Kharaa offline]

"I fight for you every day, Aelita! Against XANA!"