Who is the main character?

[Mewberries151]

I'm going to limit my quoting because these posts are getting huge.

I should clarify "big boy rules". These are not rules. It's a light-hearted way of saying reality applies regardless. Using your Monopoly analogy, it's like saying the four year old playing gets beaten badly in the game because he doesn't understand the rules or how to play. If you choose to play, then big boy rules apply even if you don't accept or understand.

That's not what I was saying. A kid who doesn't know how to play Monopoly, is going to inadvertently break the rules, and if you're not paying attention, the kid might just end up winning (albeit by cheating, but the idea of "winning" is still there).

I don't doubt that the kids and Jeremie understand the reality of their situation. If all you're saying by "big boy rules" is that they've got to face up to reality, I think they're quite aware of that already. I'd say they take it quite seriously, in fact.[/quote]

Sorry to tell you this, but you've been taught wrong about the American Revolution. The legend of the American irregular forces is exactly that, a legend. Fact is that the irregular forces of the time were mostly undisciplined and unreliable. At best, they had a miniscule effect on the outcome of the war. The truth was that the war was won by Washington's professional military, trained in the same way as the British military of the time. The war was won on conventional battles using conventional tactics and rules.

I'm not so much talking about how different the sizes of each army was, but the way in which they fought. The Colonists wore their home clothes, while the British wore their traditional bright red. I don't remember reading any "Legends Debunked" books, that nay-sayed that the colonists chose to shoot and then take cover in the trees at the British army, instead of marching in plain view into battle. I would never deny that a great deal of victory can be chalked up to Washington, but I've always read that the Briton's sticking to convention was what ultimately lost them the war on land.

I'd need some text or at the very least linked evidence, to be convinced that any of what's been said about the Revolutionary war is "legend". I studied Folklore and Legends, and I don't recall reading anything about that.

I think the same is true of the kids fighting XANA, and that's why they're winning. It's not because of XANA's incompetence (as I'd consider a satellite lazer being aimed at me "mind breaking" enough), so much as it is...well, "cheating".

This is why I'm against raising the rating of the show or making it more serious. It's very difficult to take Xana seriously. The way the show is now, I can suspend my disbelief because the show is light enough. Xana is incompetent. It builds monsters with weak points, then marks that point for all to see. With all it's capable of doing, it fails to kill four kids with no special powers time and time again. That's imcompetence in my book.

We now know that XANA isn't (or wasn't) as in control of Lyoko as we previously thought. Everything in Lyoko is bound to that symbol (just look at Aelita's Lyoko card) so it's quite possible that Franz Hopper may have some amount of influence in the monster's creation (especially if you want to think that he and XANA are linked), and gives the kids a slight edge in defeating XANA. Now this might be just conjecture but it could be possible.

I'm against raising the rating of the show as well, but that doesn't make his real world attacks any less serious (at least not to me). I could list them, but the main reason is that, indeed, outside of Lyoko, the kids haven't really thwarted any of his real world attacks. The alien, samurai, the toxic gas...the kids only escaped those through a Lyoko battle and a timely tower deactivation. If it weren't for the ability to deactivate the towers (which Franz Hopper must have put into place as well), XANA would have indeed decimated them long ago. I don't think that's incompetence.

What confuses me though, is that you find Jeremie "more qualified" than the others, to lead, and yet you state he's a "poor leader". This seems to be a mixing of signals almost.

Think of it as the best of what you have.

Personally I think Yumi or Aelita would make perfectly capable leaders, at least as much so as Jeremie. But that's going to go into opinion again, and I still consider them all to be perfectly capable of leading themselves.

Ulrich didn't break Hertz' fall, he got banged up with her. Ulrich fared no better than Mrs. Hertz when he was in there. Sending Ulrich in accomplished nothing because Ulrich had no ability to stop the gravity distortions. His knowlege of what was going on didn't help because there was nothing he could do to stop it. Had Xana hit the place some more, the likely result would have been both Mrs. Hertz and Ulrich getting killed. The better decision would have been to trigger the fire alarm. Sending Ulrich in served only to put him in needless harm.

Jeremie was confident that he could stop XANA's gravity fluctuations. If you want to mark him for overconfidence, that could be fair enough, but Ulrich had to be sent in order to keep Mrs. Hertz from being hurt and to get her out, should she be accidentally knocked unconscious (which is precisely what happened).

Pulling the fire alarm won't do anything for a person who's already unconscious, and in fact, pulling the fire alarm would have been far more detrimental. No one else was in the building to hear it, and pulling the fire alarm would have alerted the fire department. With the fire department arriving other people might have been lured back into the school to see who pulled it, and thus put far more people in danger than before. That's not really a better decision, in that respect.

]quote]I disagree, as this goes back to the point I made about the British army battling the colonists in the Revolutionary war. The British army was more than "halfway competent" and they still lost. XANA is more than "halfway competent" but the kids aren't playing by the "rules".

Already addressed. The way the Lyoko team work makes for an unorganized mess that would be wiped out in a battle. Rather than being a team that is difficult to beat, they are actually easy pickings for anyone knowlegeable in small unit tactics. Fortunately, the writers are on their side.[/quote]

Again, I'd need to see reliable evidence as to what you said about the Revolutionary war. Not that I don't trust you, but sources are key. True, the writers are on their side, but it doesn't mean they don't write a convincing fight.

Also, XANA's knowledge is theoretical...he deals with things purely on logic, and from what he's gathered from his touches with the human world. "Small unit" tactics tend to not always be known about. Wars now are based entirely upon who holds the largest amount of fire power, so why shouldn't XANA assume he can't be beaten. Logic would dictate to him that because he holds all the firepower, while the kids have no powers, there's no way he can lose. Only in season 2 does he begin to gain an understanding of how to divide and conquer a unit. It's not incompetence so much as it is ignorance, and it's ignorance that's quickly being enlightened at that.

[TaskForceLyoko offline]

At the same time, parts of reality can be bent by our will and actions, unless you believe in destiny. Life is not as rigid as the rules of Monopoly, and just because there is danger involved and lives at stake, doesn't mean they have to give up their lives when their current effort is doing quite nicely at stopping XANA. "I reject your reality and supplant it with my own."

That made no sense at all, and I don't see how it's related to what I wrote. Bend reality through will?

You're entire paragraph on the Continental Army missed the point of discussion. Mewberries151 was referring to the "guerilla" tactics of American irregular forces that supposedly defeated the British by "cheating". Militiamen and everyone else you mentioned fought a conventional war against the British, and lost most of their battles.

Pretty successful in the real world? He failed to kill four kids with no special powers for two years. This would have been as easy as possessing an ATM, and paying someone to shoot the team. Why can't Xana, with all his powers, not do what some dimwitted American teenager can?

Ulrich remained conscious, Mrs. Hertz didn't. Ulrich may have not been able to stop the gravity changes, but he kept Mrs. Hertz from experiencing anything too much worse. XANA could have oriented the building to make her fall down the hallway the way he was going. You're saying that Ulrich did nothing bcause Mrs. Hertz got banged up? Lets say somebody fell into a river and was drowning. Do you say I shouldn't jump in after that person because I might drown as well and the person is already drowning? Mrs. Hertz was injured, Ulrich was there to make sure it didn't get worse for her. The fact that she got banged up is kinda moot. Atleast she didn't die.

So Xana is specifically targeting Mrs. Hertz now? Using your analogy, I'm saying if you can't swim, you shouldn't jump in to save someone. That's the situation with Ulrich. He couldn't stop Xana, and going in only served the purpose of getting him injured. That is unless you believe Xana was specifically trying to kill Mrs. Hertz.

A conventional battle perhaps, but they are anything but conventional in their methods and this is anything but a conventional war.

I'm going to be blunt here. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Edit to answer Mewberries151:
Mewberries151, it's not a legend in the Folklore and Legends sort of way. I was trying to find a word that matches my meaning. Ask most people in the US, and if they know what the American Revolution was, they'll say it was won by the sharpshooting, guerrilla type forces that didn't follow the rules the British did. That is wrong. The war was fought largely and won by the shoulder to shoulder marching conventional forces, militia included.

As for the "every member doing their own thing" style that Team Lyoko uses, I know hundreds who employed the same tactics and techniques. You can ask their opinion of its effectiveness, but you'd need a ouija board.

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That made no sense at all, and I don't see how it's related to what I wrote. Bend reality through will?

Pretty successful in the real world? He failed to kill four kids with no special powers for two years. This would have been as easy as possessing an ATM, and paying someone to shoot the team. Why can't Xana, with all his powers, not do what some dimwitted American teenager can?

I'll admit I sometimes the lacking to choose the right words to represent my thoughts (English has always been my weakest subject). But my whole spiel about bending reality by our will, is basically saying just because something at this point is the truth, according to one person, does not mean you can't change it by an act of will. If I was born in a poor family, through will and hard work, I can rise up from it. Just because this is a life or death situation, doesn't mean they can't, through effort, keep it under control and keep their lives normal.

Of all their battles with XANA, how many of them were solved in the real world and not on Lyoko. Many times they were close to disaster, but it was won with a well timed tower deactivation. I don't remember the police doing much about the giant teddy bear, the widespread virus, the 3 Krabs, and 3 armed military personnel in a armored truck were defeated fairly easily by a single man controlled by XANA. Again, in the real world he has his successes. Its on Lyoko where he's at his weakest and that is where the gang exploits it. As Mewberries151 stated, if not for tower deactivation, XANA would have decimated the world already.

So Xana is specifically targeting Mrs. Hertz now? Using your analogy, I'm saying if you can't swim, you shouldn't jump in to save someone. That's the situation with Ulrich. He couldn't stop Xana, and going in only served the purpose of getting him injured. That is unless you believe Xana was specifically trying to kill Mrs. Hertz.

As Mew stated, XANA targeted the building, Mrs. Hertz just happened to be inside. XANA attacked a target, hoping to get to the people inside (and as Jeremie stated, if not for the quick alarm of the activated tower and the soccer game, much more people would have been in the building). Its XANA's misfortune that circumstance was against it, but Mrs. Hertz was still in the building and still need saving. And your criticism of my analogy doesn't exactly match. By saying Ulrich shouldn't have done anything because he couldn't stop the gravity is like saying, I can't stop the river from flowing, so I have to let it go. Ulrich knew how to "swim" (by which, I mean he knows of XANA and what he's capable of and can brace for impact). He also had a guy with a lifesaver to throw out to help him swim to the drowning victim (Jeremie at the console).

I'm going to be blunt here. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

If you don't understand my argument, could just ask me. No need to insult me. The team does not fight by normal means and use a whole load of different tools as well as fight on a completely different playing field. You say that if a group with any knowledge of small unit tactics would be able to dispatch them. If it were a normal field and they were firing guns at each other or of similar sport, I'm inclined to agree. But there work comes together on Lyoko not on a normal field. Place them in a Lyoko battle with the 5 of them working in tandem, and they are formidable. Thats why they don't fight XANA head to head on Earth, they do it on Lyoko.

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While Ulrich may not be the most important character I have wondered if the story could be based on his log book.

[Mewberries151]

While Ulrich may not be the most important character I have wondered if the story could be based on his log book.

Jeremie keeps a video log so it's possible he might keep an actual journal too. The other members of Team Lyoko (Yumi, in particular) might also keep diaries as well, though Ulrich's is the only one we have seen to date (not counting Sissi's).

[animenologist offline]

Though we did see Jeremie's video diary in Temptation and Jeremie mentioned his Lyoko travelogue book in Vertigo.

Personally I think Yumi or Aelita would make perfectly capable leaders, at least as much so as Jeremie. But that's going to go into opinion again, and I still consider them all to be perfectly capable of leading themselves.

I agree with this point. The 2 have proven to be quite level-headed and dependable in most situations and would be great decision makers, save for some character flaws and points of weakness. Aelita has her martyr complex and Yumi still gets jealous of anyone involved with Ulrich. Same would go with Jeremie and his overprotectiveness of Aelita. At the same time, most of my arguments have stated that Jeremie is leader, not because of his qualifications or competence, but because I feel that evidence points to him having the most authority.

For example, the President of the US is called the leader of the country, no matter what the opinion of his competence may be. I could be of the opinion that my congressman, local government leader, or next door neighbor is more qualified as a leader, but they lack the authority of the president. If Aelita or Yumi were to take over Jeremie's authority, they would make great replacements, but I feel that Jeremie has that position currently.

[TaskForceLyoko offline]

I'll admit I sometimes the lacking to choose the right words to represent my thoughts (English has always been my weakest subject). But my whole spiel about bending reality by our will, is basically saying just because something at this point is the truth, according to one person, does not mean you can't change it by an act of will. If I was born in a poor family, through will and hard work, I can rise up from it. Just because this is a life or death situation, doesn't mean they can't, through effort, keep it under control and keep their lives normal.

That still changes nothing. You're talking about changing destiny, if you believe in that. What I'm talking about is akin to jumping off a four story building and "willing" yourself to fly. Reality is when you bounce off the ground.

Of all their battles with XANA, how many of them were solved in the real world and not on Lyoko. Many times they were close to disaster, but it was won with a well timed tower deactivation. I don't remember the police doing much about the giant teddy bear, the widespread virus, the 3 Krabs, and 3 armed military personnel in a armored truck were defeated fairly easily by a single man controlled by XANA. Again, in the real world he has his successes. Its on Lyoko where he's at his weakest and that is where the gang exploits it. As Mewberries151 stated, if not for tower deactivation, XANA would have decimated the world already.

Yet he still couldn't kill four kids in a short time span, a task any person would have easily done without all of Xana's capabilities. He's had no successes. Getting close does not equate to success. Succeding is success. If Xana can't kill four kids, how does he hope to decimate the world. That's simply ridiculous. As for the police and the military unable to stop Xana...well, they were French. If it tried anything against the world, countermeasures would have been quickly developed to stop it, and the argument that "he'll surpass them" is one of utter convienence. If it can be done, it can be countered.

As Mew stated, XANA targeted the building, Mrs. Hertz just happened to be inside. XANA attacked a target, hoping to get to the people inside (and as Jeremie stated, if not for the quick alarm of the activated tower and the soccer game, much more people would have been in the building). Its XANA's misfortune that circumstance was against it, but Mrs. Hertz was still in the building and still need saving. And your criticism of my analogy doesn't exactly match. By saying Ulrich shouldn't have done anything because he couldn't stop the gravity is like saying, I can't stop the river from flowing, so I have to let it go. Ulrich knew how to "swim" (by which, I mean he knows of XANA and what he's capable of and can brace for impact). He also had a guy with a lifesaver to throw out to help him swim to the drowning victim (Jeremie at the console).

So why would Xana specifically tumble the building until Mrs. Hertz was killed, rather than just tossing the gravity around? Your argument about her danger rests solely on her being specifically targeted. She would have been hurt, but that's it. Did Ulrich have the capabilities to stop the gravity changes? No, so the criticism is still valid. He could not "swim". Knowing you need to brace does not change the fact that bracing would fail to help when the fall is hard enough, something the writers ignored for convienence. Ulrich was able to brace as well as Mrs. Hertz was, and we know what that did for her. This was Xana's kill zone, and sending people into the kill zone without the ability to stop the threat is a waste of manpower, something Team Lyoko can't spare. Fortunately, Xana was too incompetent to figure out a basic ambush.

If you don't understand my argument, could just ask me.

My intention was not to insult you, but if you took it that way, I apologize. However, my statement stands. I understood your original argument, and your new explanation changes nothing. You are talking about something you know nothing about. Team Lyoko does not work in tandem; they all do their own thing. They have little to no mutual support, no cohesion, little communication, no teamwork or coordination. Being on Lyoko using their weapons changes nothing. The reality remains the same whether you agree or not. The way they work would make them easy pickings for any coordinated fighting unit.

See you all in a few months.

[Mewberries151]

Of all their battles with XANA, how many of them were solved in the real world and not on Lyoko. Many times they were close to disaster, but it was won with a well timed tower deactivation. I don't remember the police doing much about the giant teddy bear, the widespread virus, the 3 Krabs, and 3 armed military personnel in a armored truck were defeated fairly easily by a single man controlled by XANA. Again, in the real world he has his successes. Its on Lyoko where he's at his weakest and that is where the gang exploits it. As Mewberries151 stated, if not for tower deactivation, XANA would have decimated the world already.

Yet he still couldn't kill four kids in a short time span, a task any person would have easily done without all of Xana's capabilities. He's had no successes. Getting close does not equate to success. Succeding is success. If Xana can't kill four kids, how does he hope to decimate the world. That's simply ridiculous. As for the police and the military unable to stop Xana...well, they were French. If it tried anything against the world, countermeasures would have been quickly developed to stop it, and the argument that "he'll surpass them" is one of utter convienence.If it can be done, it can be countered.

But that doesn't take into account that XANA's main weakness is, indeed, that he's not human. He can't just materialize himself, pick-up a guzi, walk straight into Kadic and just annihilate them. He (was) bound inside the computer, which is both a strength and a weakness.

And there's a risk in killing four kids just out of the blue. XANA doesn't want to draw huge amounts of attention to himself unless he has the power to back it up (like an activated tower and a well-placed attack). If he were to kill off all four kids, he'd have to seriously make it not look mysterious or suspicious or he'd risk having the authorities discover his presence and shut him off. Remember, both Ulrich and Jeremie keep logs of their Lyoko travels...if they were to mysteriously die, the police would surely look into them, likely to determine if it was a possible mass suicide. They'd find the stuff about Lyoko, look into it, and that'd be the end of XANA, which is what he's likely trying to avoid when he plans his attacks.

Moving on and ignoring the crack against the French (which was mildly uncalled for), the big problem there is that the authorities don't know about XANA. This is all going back to that "Can You Keep The Secret" tag. If the authorities did know about XANA and his threat, they'd deal with it just as everyone would figure. Head straight down to the plug and pull it, and then probably take the computer apart just to make sure. Aelita's toast, and the kids are in a huge amount of trouble. The only time the authorities have ever had the opportunity to find out, has been followed quickly by an RTTP. You can't fight what you don't know exists.

And besides, you can't compare yourself taking on the planet to an unknown computer virus attempting it. You're one person, have identification (so they know you exist), and you have to eat, drink and live somewhere (at the very least). XANA is neither of the first two and only semi-requires the need to "live" somewhere which again is not on any known records (other than Ulrich and Jeremie's logs). It's far easier for something that does not require basic human needs to live and is reputably non-existant to attempt world domination than any kind of human.

As Mew stated, XANA targeted the building, Mrs. Hertz just happened to be inside. XANA attacked a target, hoping to get to the people inside (and as Jeremie stated, if not for the quick alarm of the activated tower and the soccer game, much more people would have been in the building). Its XANA's misfortune that circumstance was against it, but Mrs. Hertz was still in the building and still need saving. And your criticism of my analogy doesn't exactly match. By saying Ulrich shouldn't have done anything because he couldn't stop the gravity is like saying, I can't stop the river from flowing, so I have to let it go. Ulrich knew how to "swim" (by which, I mean he knows of XANA and what he's capable of and can brace for impact). He also had a guy with a lifesaver to throw out to help him swim to the drowning victim (Jeremie at the console).

So why would Xana specifically tumble the building until Mrs. Hertz was killed, rather than just tossing the gravity around? Your argument about her danger rests solely on her being specifically targeted. She would have been hurt, but that's it. Did Ulrich have the capabilities to stop the gravity changes? No, so the criticism is still valid. He could not "swim". Knowing you need to brace does not change the fact that bracing would fail to help when the fall is hard enough, something the writers ignored for convienence. Ulrich was able to brace as well as Mrs. Hertz was, and we know what that did for her. This was Xana's kill zone, and sending people into the kill zone without the ability to stop the threat is a waste of manpower, something Team Lyoko can't spare. Fortunately, Xana was too incompetent to figure out a basic ambush.

Because he still didn't know only she was in there to begin with. XANA only knew that people (hopefully the majority of the school) would be inside, that's all. He didn't know only Mrs. Hertz was in there, and he continued to jumble the building around because he didn't know only she was in there. For all he knew, he could have had the whole school in there and jumbling about, so why stop? Mrs. Hertz was in the wrong place at the wrong time. By all means, she should have been outside at the soccer game, which XANA didn't know about and therefore couldn't have taken into account.

True, Ulrich didn't have the ability to stop the gravity fluxes, but Jeremie did. Jeremie on the other hand, could not go save Mrs. Hertz and keep the fluxes in check at the same time (not to mention he was needed to guide the Lyoko warriors). It was a trade off...teamwork. Ulrich could rescue Mrs. Hertz and Jeremie could keep the fluxes in check.

In regards to Ulrich being able to brace as well as Mrs. Hertz, I disagree as 1) She was already unconscious, and 2) Ulrich (through Jeremie) could know when the fluxes would happen and could prepare for them. Mrs. Hertz, having no such communication and being unconscious could not possibly brace for them like Ulrich did. She had no warning. Ulrich did.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "kill zone", but I think I've made it clear enough that the fact that Mrs. Hertz ever even got hurt was because of a case of Murphey's Law and being in the wrong place at the wrong time. She was not targeted specifically.

If you don't understand my argument, could just ask me.

Team Lyoko does not work in tandem; they all do their own thing. They have little to no mutual support, no cohesion, little communication, no teamwork or coordination. Being on Lyoko using their weapons changes nothing. The reality remains the same whether you agree or not. The way they work would make them easy pickings for any coordinated fighting unit.

I disagree entirely (with the exception that they do all do their own thing when it is needed). Their each other's mutual support and I'd think that Franz Hopper, and Jim and Sissi's occasional aid ought to count as well. Cohesion? They work together just fine. Little communication? Cell phones, messenger dogs and the lightning fast communication abilities of the Internet and Lyoko seem good enough to me, not to mention that they continually advise tactics to each other during battle, so I see no problems there either. No teamwork and no coordination is absolutely ridiculous. If they don't work as a team, I don't quite know what you're example of it would be, as they've always been about teamwork.

And again, you're thinking of a human well-coordinated fighting team. XANA's not an operative with military training. He has access to military knowledge no doubt and is likely trying to learn the tactics but he hasn't been trained in a military sense. XANA's strength comes from his ability to mass-produce monsters and throw rather overwhelming real world catastrophes at the group. He's a megalomaniac, not a military personnel, this is true, but that doesn't mean he doesn't plan things out.

And in all honesty, it's very easy for anyone to say they could do a better job. I'm more inclined to believe you on it as I have some sense of your background, but the fact remains that as viewers, we're priveleged to knowledge of what the CL team will do and what XANA will do, which is something no one else (were this battle real) would know (excepting spies, perhaps). As viewer's we're given the most information on all sides, and are own opinions of who made what mistake where is going to be influenced by that knowledge. It's too easy to say that "so and so could do a better job"...you'd have to literally stick said group in that position and then see if it actually did happen (regardless of whether all the statistics and simulations gave you a 100% chance of success).

No one can do that...so to say someone else could do it better is, even if it may be true...can't really be proven in any sort of way. Unless some rogue virus actually decides to attack the real world, of course. Season 2 is believed to be set in 2006 after all. ^^

See you all in a few months.

Okay? Hope to see you back sometime soon then...

[Waves_blade offline]

Not to be anoying or anything, but X.A.N.A. isnt a virus, he was infected by one. As for the military argument, X.A.N.A. wasnt created to do millitary fighting, X.A.N.A. "as far as i know" was created to supervise lyoko. (Hello welcome to the virtual world of lyoko, i X.A.N.A. will be your guide) As for The kill zone thing, The whole school was X.A.N.A.'s killzone, the science building just de-gravitized first. If you look a wee bit later on, you will see people floating into space. Plus if you wana get even more technical about it, You could consider the science building a test site for X.A.N.A.'s attack. X.A.N.A. was testing it's attack out earlier. "sissi's baton, and yumi"

[odd girl offline]

ulrich+odd+jeremie+yumi+aelita+xana=code lyoko

when i think about it, all of the charaters have their own importance. aelita deactivates the towers, jeremie sends yumi odd and ulrich to lyoko and acts as a sort of guardian to them, warning them if there is any monsters around while they are in lyoko. ulrich protects everyone in lyoko and makes sure there safe, and gives orders. yumi is the oldest in the group and the most mature and cares for her friends. and odd cheers everyone up when there down.
so all the charaters have an importance

i just got tired of my own rambling.

[animenologist offline]

Not to be anoying or anything, but X.A.N.A. isnt a virus, he was infected by one. As for the military argument, X.A.N.A. wasnt created to do millitary fighting, X.A.N.A. "as far as i know" was created to supervise lyoko. (Hello welcome to the virtual world of lyoko, i X.A.N.A. will be your guide) As for The kill zone thing, The whole school was X.A.N.A.'s killzone, the science building just de-gravitized first. If you look a wee bit later on, you will see people floating into space. Plus if you wana get even more technical about it, You could consider the science building a test site for X.A.N.A.'s attack. X.A.N.A. was testing it's attack out earlier. "sissi's baton, and yumi"

We do not know why XANA went rogue, it has never been explicitly stated. And even the official sources do not agree on the point. So I'd like to think its best to wait for the show to tell us the nature of XANA. At codelyoko.com, they stated XANA is a supervirus that affected the supercomputer. At the Moonscoop website, they stated that XANA is the supercomputer, infected with a virus. But both of these contradict what was stated in The Key, where in Hopper's diary, XANA was considered a separate entity from the supercomputer, possibly an AI.

Though XANA was partially meant as a supervisor to Lyoko, it was also designed to be a military weapon. In Franz Hopper, XANA-Hopper stated that it was created as a multi-agent system as an anti-military weapon. In The Key, it was specifically stated that it was created to combat Project Carthage which was designed to disable military communications. It's possible that it could have done more, but the diary was cut off suddenly. And for a supposedly peaceful program, it has control over very destructive forces. The fact that Hopper didn't try to leave the destructive programs inside restricted access instead of at the whim of XANA points to him meant to be a weapon.

[Waves_blade offline]

animenologist

We do not know why XANA went rogue, it has never been explicitly stated. And even the official sources do not agree on the point. So I'd like to think its best to wait for the show to tell us the nature of XANA. At codelyoko.com, they stated XANA is a supervirus that affected the supercomputer. At the Moonscoop website, they stated that XANA is the supercomputer, infected with a virus. But both of these contradict what was stated in The Key, where in Hopper's diary, XANA was considered a separate entity from the supercomputer, possibly an AI.

Well mabye season 3 will clear up some of this. It's a little odd that moonscoop had the key Go against what it said about X.A.N.A.

animenologist

Though XANA was partially meant as a supervisor to Lyoko, it was also designed to be a military weapon. In Franz Hopper, XANA-Hopper stated that it was created as a multi-agent system as an anti-military weapon. In The Key, it was specifically stated that it was created to combat Project Carthage which was designed to disable military communications. It's possible that it could have done more, but the diary was cut off suddenly. And for a supposedly peaceful program, it has control over very destructive forces. The fact that Hopper didn't try to leave the destructive programs inside restricted access instead of at the whim of XANA points to him meant to be a weapon

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Well... for X.A.N.A. Hopper, it could just have made up some random idea and sold it to the lyoko gang (which they bought). As for Project Carthage, blocking anti-military comunications wouldnt have to involve useing destructive force. X.A.N.A. Could Easily disable it. As for hopper and his little "destructive programs" I got two possiblilities for you.
A) Franz did put them in restricted acsses, but X.A.N.A. cracked the code to get in.
B) X.A.N.A. made up the programing, "just a suggestion"

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Though XANA was partially meant as a supervisor to Lyoko, it was also designed to be a military weapon. In Franz Hopper, XANA-Hopper stated that it was created as a multi-agent system as an anti-military weapon. In The Key, it was specifically stated that it was created to combat Project Carthage which was designed to disable military communications. It's possible that it could have done more, but the diary was cut off suddenly. And for a supposedly peaceful program, it has control over very destructive forces. The fact that Hopper didn't try to leave the destructive programs inside restricted access instead of at the whim of XANA points to him meant to be a weapon

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Well... for X.A.N.A. Hopper, it could just have made up some random idea and sold it to the lyoko gang (which they bought). As for Project Carthage, blocking anti-military comunications wouldnt have to involve useing destructive force. X.A.N.A. Could Easily disable it. As for hopper and his little "destructive programs" I got two possiblilities for you.
A) Franz did put them in restricted acsses, but X.A.N.A. cracked the code to get in.
B) X.A.N.A. made up the programing, "just a suggestion"

Again, we don't know what else Project Carthage is capable of. Jeremie fast-forwarded the diary before we got any more details. If it was meant solely for blocking out military communications, I find that is a fairly sublime thing to go against and actively rebel, so unless Hopper had some very wierd priorities, I think we can assume that Carthage was much much more.

As for your two possibilities, with A, if XANA had the potential to override restricted access, why hasn't he done so with various other programs that he needed to get to. Whenever he needed to access something restricted, it was through trickery and deception, like in the episodes Routine, A Great Day, and Revelation. If XANA was able to break into restricted access before, why not now?

For B, you can't program for something that doesn't have the capability to do so. I can't program a microwave to play my Playstation 2 games (atleast not without loading it with a whole mess of extra hardware). Hopper has built the lab with destructive potential and had the intent of fighting a military project. So even if XANA made the programs, Hopper made the weapon and let him have full access to it.

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As for your two possibilities, with A, if XANA had the potential to override restricted access, why hasn't he done so with various other programs that he needed to get to. Whenever he needed to access something restricted, it was through trickery and deception, like in the episodes Routine, A Great Day, and Revelation. If XANA was able to break into restricted access before, why not now?

Well.... i dont realy know, jeremy encodes things diffrently than Franz. Plus X.A.N.A. had more time to crack Franz's codes then with jeremy.

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For B, you can't program for something that doesn't have the capability to do so. I can't program a microwave to play my Playstation 2 games (atleast not without loading it with a whole mess of extra hardware). Hopper has built the lab with destructive potential and had the intent of fighting a military project. So even if XANA made the programs, Hopper made the weapon and let him have full access to it.

Well X.A.N.A. was infected by a virus, wich screwed up it's programing, wich inturn would result in entierly diffrent programing based on the virus. "I think" Well lets go with the X.A.N.A. was created to fight carthage theory. Possibly the military found out some sort of CPU thing "X.A.N.A. "was stoping carthage, so they sent a virus that makes it go rampid, and boom it worked.

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Aelita is definitely the most important character. She holds the keys to Lyoko, she's the only one who can deactivate the towers, and Jeremie is about her

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As for your two possibilities, with A, if XANA had the potential to override restricted access, why hasn't he done so with various other programs that he needed to get to. Whenever he needed to access something restricted, it was through trickery and deception, like in the episodes Routine, A Great Day, and Revelation. If XANA was able to break into restricted access before, why not now?

Well.... i dont realy know, jeremy encodes things diffrently than Franz. Plus X.A.N.A. had more time to crack Franz's codes then with jeremy.

Jeremie couldn't even create an encryption to keep Aelita out of his personal diary, nor could he figure out the coding to Hopper's diary easily. It took Hopper and a tower to break the encryption. If XANA can break Hopper's encryptions, Jeremie's should be a snap.

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For B, you can't program for something that doesn't have the capability to do so. I can't program a microwave to play my Playstation 2 games (atleast not without loading it with a whole mess of extra hardware). Hopper has built the lab with destructive potential and had the intent of fighting a military project. So even if XANA made the programs, Hopper made the weapon and let him have full access to it.

Well X.A.N.A. was infected by a virus, wich screwed up it's programing, wich inturn would result in entierly diffrent programing based on the virus. "I think" Well lets go with the X.A.N.A. was created to fight carthage theory. Possibly the military found out some sort of CPU thing "X.A.N.A. "was stoping carthage, so they sent a virus that makes it go rampid, and boom it worked.

Except we don't know if that is the reason for XANA's betrayal, nor any in show evidence, pointing to that conclusion. And it would seem very unmilitary like to send out a virus like that without a way of controlling the systems they infected nor a way to track down the perpetrators. And again, Hopper would still be responsible for giving XANA the capabilities for such destructive potential, since he created the supercomputer that way.

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As for your two possibilities, with A, if XANA had the potential to override restricted access, why hasn't he done so with various other programs that he needed to get to. Whenever he needed to access something restricted, it was through trickery and deception, like in the episodes Routine, A Great Day, and Revelation. If XANA was able to break into restricted access before, why not now?

Well.... i dont realy know, jeremy encodes things diffrently than Franz. Plus X.A.N.A. had more time to crack Franz's codes then with jeremy.

Jeremie couldn't even create an encryption to keep Aelita out of his personal diary, nor could he figure out the coding to Hopper's diary easily. It took Hopper and a tower to break the encryption. If XANA can break Hopper's encryptions, Jeremie's should be a snap.

Actually, in "Routine", in order to gain access to the Virtualization program, XANA had to infect himself and the programs with a virus. Much like how in "Marabounta" the marabounta recognized Aelita because of her connection to XANA, it is likely that because XANA had infected himself and the programs with the same virus, he could bypass the restrictions around the Virtualization program.

It would be safe to assume that the Virtualization program's firewalls (along with the other restrictions) were likely created by Franz Hopper. XANA has only been able to get at them when the kids accidentally "download" something that was XANA-infected (hmmm...a veritable moral for any kind of downloading really). Hopper likely wasn't planning on downloading anything he wasn't super sure of when he was in charge of Lyoko, and likely didn't put any sort of restrictions around his programs for information downloaded into the computer (since downloading and infection are much the same thing, and can be used together by hackers).

XANA seems to be unable to get past Hopper's encryptions unless given a chance to infect it, either through downloading infected data, (which is less work for XANA than having to "infect himself), or through a tower that has open access to the programs (like in "Revelation"). Otherwise, he's shut out completely.

And in defense of Jeremie, for Aelita opening his diary, Aelita's an astute hacker herself, likely at Jeremie's level or perhaps more so. She could hack into computer mainframes while she was living in Lyoko ("Ghost Channel") so there's no reason she wouldn't be able to apply her knowledge of hacking to something far more simple, like a digital journal. If someone like Odd could hack into Jeremie's journal, then, yes, I'd say that his encryptions are weak, but Aelita is a profficient hacker, which may explain why she could gain access.

I would agree though that Hopper's encryptions are stonger than Jeremie's for the most part.

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Aelita is/was the most important member of the group because she was the only one capable of deactivating a tower.- that however has been reduced to moot since XANA no longer needs towers.