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Postby . » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:33 pm

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That may very well be, but what I believe AngelBolt was getting at was to show some respect for other cultures and religions. I felt a little testy when you mentioned that spirit mediums received their power through the devil--I've never heard of any serious spirit medium saying they get their abilities from Satan. The only ones who you hear doing that are those stupid kids who deliberately do so just to strike out against society or something.

Nevertheless, I find astrology (and anything dealing with the supernatural) quite interesting, but I wouldn't exactly follow it myself. I've met one spirit medium before who really shocked me. It probably sounds like a load of crock, but anyways--she sat me down and pressed her index and middle finger perpendicular to my palm. I don't know if it was simply because my hands were restless or something, but it began to warm up and feel numb.

She mentioned that there was something bothering me about my grandmother. She was right; when I was much younger, she did get a little funny with me. She couldn't specify which grandmother (my mother's or my father's), or what she did to me, but she did pick something up. I was about 9 at the time or so; I was too afraid to tell my parents in fear of what kind of chaos it'd create between my parents, so I lied in case she told them, and told her nothing came to mind.

That's really it, and the only one I can personally attest to. Another time, she visited us personally. We mainly got in touch with her for my brother, but the "palm readings", if you will, was just something we did on the side when Chris wasn't ready. Nevertheless, she was with my mother, and told her that "a parade of angels" appeared. My mother said that when she put her hand up, it was very hot, but I guess she was too stunned to call me, so I can't vouch for that event personally. I do think it happened, though.

So. I don't think all spirit mediums use the devil, and they certainly are helpful. Solomon J. Wickey is a healer who do similar things. Google him and do a bit of research; they aren't making it up. Ever since we took Chris (who has autism) to Indiana to visit Solomon, Chris has improved tremendously. I'd be hard pressed to accept that he uses Satan for such a purpose, but then again, he might not fit all of the criteria for a spirit medium, and I really don't define him as one either.

Edit: And the only reason why I mentioned that bit about my grandmother was because, I felt, saying "She knew about private information" would weaken my entire post. I'm not trying to earn sympathy, but get the point across.




The Bible says that spiritual powercomes from either Satan or God. Ak the mediums where there power comes from. Granted, I doubt they know they are using the power of Beelzebub (another name for Satan), but if it doesn't come from God (I.e: They don't pray, they use incantations, etc) It's from the devil. plain and simple.


Ehhh I'm not fond of the idea of Satan having any power at all.
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Postby Tangent128 » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:38 pm

He has some power, but he's hardly the evil twin of God that some make him out to be.
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Postby . » Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:10 am

Tangent128 wrote:He has some power, but he's hardly the evil twin of God that some make him out to be.


Non... The bad guy never has power. He has to cheat, he has to be underhanded... why? Cause he's not good enough to be the good guy.
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Postby JesusFreak » Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:42 am

No, because He tried to overthrow God as ruler of Heaven by leading a revolt with 1/3 of Heaven's ex-angels. God cast them out of Heaven and they now use Hell as their base of operations.

That is not to say Satan has no power at all. He probably didn't until The whole Eden thing.


An interesting thing to Note about Satan is that he was in charge of Worship in Heaven. He is described as having pipes embedded in his body somewhere in the Bible. Satan still excels at music. Just look at all these songs screaming about how life is trash, Women are objects, murder is awesome, etc...
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Postby Carth » Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:14 am

I think the whole overthrow thing is part of that cool stuff they came up with in the middle ages. I like that cool stuff they came up with- the Seven Deadly Sins, the angel hirearchies, Dante's Inferno, etc. I don't know why.
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Postby JesusFreak » Mon Oct 15, 2007 12:57 pm

Nah, It's in the Bible somewhere and the texts before the Middle Ages we have found have only been changed for grammar (Hebrew and Greek isn't exactly very close to the English language) and Greek and Hebrew texts spawned the Vulgate Bible (Latin) which was translated to German and English, which was translated into All sorts of other languages, including Klingon, for some reason.
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Postby ConcreteAngel » Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:38 pm

I think being a Christian is the most important thing in someone's life because you don't feel an empty void when you're Jesus' own. :angel5:
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Postby JesusFreak » Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:44 pm

Yeah, not jjust because of the Eternal Address change :D.
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Postby matsumo itsu » Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:53 pm

lets just say the puritans would kill me the way i act in less then an hour.

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Postby JesusFreak » Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:34 pm

itachi-uchiha wrote:lets just say the puritans would kill me the way i act in less then an hour.


Puritanism: The lurking fear the someone, somewhere, a person is having fun.


Seriously, Not all Christians are Holier-than-thou Pharisees, like certain Puritans.
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Postby DeadViolet » Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:00 pm

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itachi-uchiha wrote:lets just say the puritans would kill me the way i act in less then an hour.


Puritanism: The lurking fear the someone, somewhere, a person is having fun.

I have that in a Binder somewhere. ^^
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Postby Darth Grale » Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:30 pm

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That was good.

I'm surprised no ones refuting the whole evolutionist series on man JF set up.
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Postby JesusFreak » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:07 am

Yeah...

Anyway, about TPP's faith=/= truth thing on the abortion thread:

I wasn't talking about faith. I was talking abouyt an absolute truth. Gut Feelings are all fine and good for businesses and military strategy games online, but as a Moral compass, it's not so good. Adolf Hitler's gut Feeling ended up in the Holocaust (and don't you dare say the Holocaust Never happened like the president of Iran!). Granted, none of us are psychopaths on his vile level, but in our own lives, a gut feeling is too mixed up in our emotions (and even what we eat) to be a moral compass. A compass needs absolute, infallible grounding to be effective.


Ms. Berries said there are three sides to every story. Well, what's a side? It's a viewpoint on truth.

Example: The Jedi Civil War


Jedi: Many of our number fell to the Dark Side, we must defend ourselves.

Sith: We have liberated purselves from the Jedi. The other narrow minded Jedi fools shall join our vision-or die.

Pretty Much Everyone else: Jedi and Sith are just two sides to the same thing: Bloodshed


Truth itself isn't relative. The glasses we see the world through (known as our worldwiew) do.
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Postby . » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:15 am

JesusFreak wrote:No, because He tried to overthrow God as ruler of Heaven by leading a revolt with 1/3 of Heaven's ex-angels. God cast them out of Heaven and they now use Hell as their base of operations.

That is not to say Satan has no power at all. He probably didn't until The whole Eden thing.


An interesting thing to Note about Satan is that he was in charge of Worship in Heaven. He is described as having pipes embedded in his body somewhere in the Bible. Satan still excels at music. Just look at all these songs screaming about how life is trash, Women are objects, murder is awesome, etc...


mmmm that reminds me of the Robot Devil episode of Futurama.

Satan SO sings showtunes.
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Postby JesusFreak » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:28 am

Now THAT'S something We can agree on. :D
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Postby ConcreteAngel » Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:51 pm

Very true. We can all agree on that.
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Postby Overcaffeinated Sloth » Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:56 pm

JesusFreak wrote:Ms. Berries said there are three sides to every story. Well, what's a side? It's a viewpoint on truth.


There are no truths. Truth has no plural. We all see it from different directions, but it is still THE truth.ANd if you can't understand the sides, then you can't understand the truth. I'm afraid you're seeing it from only one person's view. And it's the First person. Thry the second, or third.

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Postby JesusFreak » Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:59 pm

When did I say truth had a plural? I said there are viewpoints. And I HAVVE seen through the second and third viewpoint. Anyone who seriously considers the issues does.
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Postby Tangent128 » Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:22 pm

AngelBolt wrote:There are no truths.

2+2=4
Something makes things fall toward each other most of the time.
You exist. And you think.
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Postby Darth Grale » Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:25 pm

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Postby Overcaffeinated Sloth » Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:06 pm

Tangent128 wrote:
AngelBolt wrote:There are no truths.

2+2=4
Something makes things fall toward each other most of the time.
You exist. And you think.
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Ohh, not quite, mon ennui. Please look at the actual PARAGRAPH. No ellipses here...

The idea is that there are no thruths Not that there is no truth.

And 2+2=4 is not a truth, it's an equation 4=4 is a truth.

And It's exactly because you think an exist that there can be different viewpoints, because no one can live the life that you do.

I don't get the AngelBolt thing. :umm:

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Postby JesusFreak » Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:20 pm

Once again, I agree wholeheartedly with the lack of plural.
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Postby Darth Grale » Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:02 pm

Misunderstood you, sorry.

JesusFreak put up a very good question. Where are all the transitional forms? (Yes, I know about the horse series, but thats nonsense, due to the number of ribs jumping back and forth from around 18 to 15 to 19 back to 18 and the fact that these series are lumped together from every region on Earth imaginable, 'cept the Poles) Where are they now? Why am I asking so many questions?
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Postby JesusFreak » Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:04 pm

By "where are they now", do you mean "are there any transitional forms today?"
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Postby Overcaffeinated Sloth » Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:02 pm

No, there sarwn't, becuse they evolved into different species. I don't think you guys undertand this takes a very LONG time. It's not over a hundred generations. or so. It's over thousands upon millions.

And I'm warning you, back ON TOPIC. You've strayed enough times. Need I remind you of spaming rules?

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