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[Little Vili offline]

Code Lyoko as you know, is a very good show. Good enough to the point were we come here to discuss it and other various things, but its what brought us here to begin with.

As you all know though, there are a few problems with this great show given to us by our good friends in France. One of the problems is the lack of plot; staying true to the meaning “the power to give, the power to take away.â€

[Darkborn offline]

Yea theres is a lack of plot but what keeps me entertained by it is to see what Xana does as a new attack, thats why i'm a Xana fan. Some things are just so random it makes me think "I would have NEVER thought of doing that! How come he has all the great ideas!"

And what do you mean by "Stand Alone"?

[Little Vili offline]

"Stand Alone" means it neither gives support to the next episode, or gains any from the previous. Basically, like most cartoons you see. In anime however, this is not so, it is the opposite.

As for the whole “cool ideasâ€

[xxJeanGreyxx offline]

I agree with the lack of plot. But, give them a break. We should be happy they come everyday. Be happy, that there even IS a code lyoko. I'm not trying to start a fight. I'm saying what I feel.

[Darkborn offline]

Well its usually not human possession that entertains me, Like in season 1 Xanas attacks back then IMO were by far the best. Now i still get excited but not as much as i used to. (proboly because of the re runs and i know what xana is doing, so there is no suspense)

[xxJeanGreyxx offline]

Well its usually not human possession that entertains me, Like in season 1 Xanas attacks back then IMO were by far the best. Now i still get excited but not as much as i used to. (proboly because of the re runs and i know what xana is doing, so there is no suspense)

I know what you mean. I just hope the third season will be filled with more "suspense"

[MG offline]

Hey guys! This is a very good point but it is the fault of Cartoon Network.
I was talking with the director, Jerome Mouscadet, the other day and he was saying that only the first few and last episodes of this season could be "episodic" and he found this very frustrating. I hope the end of this season will make up for your frustration.

[Darkborn offline]

I'm not frustrated, i just want to see the series to go somewhere after the Anti-Virus is found. Thankie for the news.

[xxJeanGreyxx offline]

Hey guys! This is a very good point but it is the fault of Cartoon Network.
I was talking with the director, Jerome Mouscadet, the other day and he was saying that only the first few and last episodes of this season could be "episodic" and he found this very frustrating. I hope the end of this season will make up for your frustration.

Hey matt! =) Does this mean that we wont get anymore eps for the season? O.O *sniff* I'm addicted to this show. O.O Scary, but true.

[Little Vili offline]

Hey guys! This is a very good point but it is the fault of Cartoon Network.
I was talking with the director, Jerome Mouscadet, the other day and he was saying that only the first few and last episodes of this season could be "episodic" and he found this very frustrating. I hope the end of this season will make up for your frustration.

If he's so frustrated, and he's the director...cant he do something about it? Maybe not for S2, but at least for S3.

[Dylan0513 offline]

Hey guys! This is a very good point but it is the fault of Cartoon Network.
I was talking with the director, Jerome Mouscadet, the other day and he was saying that only the first few and last episodes of this season could be "episodic" and he found this very frustrating. I hope the end of this season will make up for your frustration.

If he's so frustrated, and he's the director...cant he do something about it? Maybe not for S2, but at least for S3.

You can always switch channels. Right?

And I agree completly with Vili, the show would be a lot better with contuing epsiodes. It would also be better for the ratings. "Yesterday's epside was so great, I can't wait for todays!" That's what would happend with continuing episodes.

[bduddy offline]

Switch channels to... what? Nickelodeon? Oh god no...
Maybe we should e-mail CN and explain that we prefer "connected" episodes, because they clearly believe that their audience doesn't. If we don't all seem like we're from the same site, maybe they'll notice us...

[Dylan0513 offline]

Good idea, we should post it on other forums.

[SamBlob offline]

Switch channels to... what? Nickelodeon? Oh god no...
Maybe we should e-mail CN and explain that we prefer "connected" episodes, because they clearly believe that their audience doesn't. If we don't all seem like we're from the same site, maybe they'll notice us...

Leave me out of that petition. I don't prefer the serialized episodes.

[bduddy offline]

Well, then, if we do something, you should e-mail them too... we don't want to be tricking anyone now... >_>

[Dylan0513 offline]

I'll email them, but 2 people won't matter, we need to post this on other forums.

[YDV offline]

I'd be ready to email them.. but does anyone have their addresses? >.<

[xxJeanGreyxx offline]

Include me. =) My e-mail is...

demonic-soul@hotmail.com

Dont ask about the name.

[Mewberries151]

Whoa whoa, slow down! *phew*

Okay, for plot consistency, yes, most shows do have an on-going story in that each episode follows along to. Season 1 had that. It was Jeremie's quest for the Materialization code. "TeddyGozilla" (where it's first mentioned), "Cruel Dilemma", "Image Problem", "Just In Time", "Code:Earth" and "False Start" all expand on that storyline, and each episode mentioned Aelita's materialization project at least once. That's a continuing storyline.

As for season 2, "New Order", "Unchartered Territory", "Exploration", "A Great Day", and "Mister Puck" all contained a steady plot-continuity that built up to the discovery (and consequential destruction) of Franz Hopper's diary. "St. Valentines' Day" broke that run, but "Marabounta" picked it up for a moment (Jeremie discovered the idea for the Marabounta in a portion of Franz Hopper's journal). Later on, "Vertigo" held the revelation that Aelita may finally be cured of her virus, and "Cold War" touched briefly on the idea that XANA was definitely getting stronger (being able to now send the Mantas where he pleases), and "Deja Vu" and "Franz Hopper" both revolved around the Franz Hopper storyline ("Deja Vu" in particular).

It's possible the last few episodes will also further continue the storyline. But the point is there is alot of consistency between the episodes in both seasons. It's just not spoon-fed to us in each and every episode. And there's alot of sub-plots that are continually touched or expanded on in nearly every episode. Season 2 has the W/Y/U sub-plot, along with a possible O/A development (depending on how one looks at it), and an interesting development of Sissi's character. Season 1 usually touched briefly on either some development in the Y/U or J/A romances, or on character development.

Anyway, I don't disagree that having more continuity might be interesting. I'm just saying that there is already a decent amount of continuity between the episodes of both seasons. Code Lyoko bases itself off of "snapshots" in the lives of Team Lyoko. The continuity is still there though, just like there would be continuity between a collection of home videos set during a certain year.

[YDV offline]

Yeah.. fooled us into thinking they were all gonna be like that. D'oh! >.<

I do agree with you though. (even though it's the Love Square of WxYxUxS)

[Mewberries151]

I agree with Mewberries and I think that's what's great about C:L - each episode can stand on it's onw but when you step back you see all the interconnecting threads.

And from what I've heard (and partly seen) - the first four/five eps of Season 2 are effectivly each a continuation of the one before it.

Thanks! That's exactly what I meant! And it really is one of the many things that makes CL so cool. It's quite unconventional for a cartoon to do that. Code Lyoko is unique in every aspect.

The first 5 episodes do effectively create a continuity. And the events that happen in them are still referred to in later episodes. There really is a decent amount of continuity to Code Lyoko. ^_^

[Stonecreek]

While I'm all for plot, and desperately wish CL made each episode more interlocking, I am here for the characters. I am into character-driven shows, and let's face it - what would CL be without interesting characters? It may not be the main draw for everyone, but intriguing, engaging characters keep viewers coming back. If you care about the characters and their outcomes on the show, it is easier to be drawn in by the show, and thus make the not-so-shining moments in the show easier to gloss over. Whether there is an ongoing plot is secondary to me as long as the characters remain themselves.

[Little Vili offline]

I agree with Mewberries and I think that's what's great about C:L - each episode can stand on it's onw but when you step back you see all the interconnecting threads.

And from what I've heard (and partly seen) - the first four/five eps of Season 2 are effectivly each a continuation of the one before it.

Thanks! That's exactly what I meant! And it really is one of the many things that makes CL so cool. It's quite unconventional for a cartoon to do that. Code Lyoko is unique in every aspect.

The first 5 episodes do effectively create a continuity. And the events that happen in them are still referred to in later episodes. There really is a decent amount of continuity to Code Lyoko. ^_^

Im not saying that is has no consistancy at all. What I am saying is, that I would like to see even more between each episode. Like when it leaves off at one point, and pick up from the next (with the occasional "skip" here and there). CL is more semi-consistant, because they make reference to the past episodes from the discoveries or what not they made, and go from there. But basically what Im saying is, why not have an occasional battle that takes more than one episode (great for building suspence), or something to that effect. Some things need to drag out some times just so it can evenly set in. However, I suppose what Im mostly mad about is, say something happens in one eopisode (like when Aelita kissed Jeremy), they act like nothing happened in the next episode, and that just ticks me off. Its like the "side" events (aka romance, and ext) almost doesnt exist anymore. Very rarely is that kept in any form of consistancy (please correct me if Im wrong).

[MY85 offline]

Hey guys! This is a very good point but it is the fault of Cartoon Network.

So the interview in french Mewberries151 provided us is going to take its consequences... how much does CN has to influence over CL really?

Mewberries, I agree with all that you said. But I do think that not only XANA gets power because of the RTTP's, but also for each tower deactivated without the RTTP will also increase power on the enemy.

Season 1 did had episodes dedicated to the Materialization process, but also most of them (and by that, the not-so-dedicated episodes to the Materialization theme) mentioned it briefly. The main point of her post was that each and every part of an episode connects to each other, it can be a lot or not much, but they all do interconnect.

As for the last thing Vili said, read the french letter: sadly, less romanticism, for the moment. But we can't really tell what happens off-screen between Jeremie and Aelita, or with the other characthers. I think the kiss was something at the moment, just a one-thing moment.